Getting Freaky with the Talmud

[Navy Seal Patriot]

I was inspired by the Thread Getting Freaky with Islam. Isn't strange you don't see this shown on Fox, CNN, learning institutions; but they will talk about Islam and Christianity with forked tongues. This will be an excellent litmus test for DP as I have plenty more of these quotes to come. I'm sure most of you won't be shocked or even act like you saw it at all--denial. A sign your a closet Zionist. :mrgreen:

"When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves." -Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D

"A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl." -&ad. Shas. 2:2

17. "A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat." -Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan 9ruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348

 

[mikhail]

Yes but thats what happens when people believe in bullshit written hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

 

[Monk-Eye]

Ionism In Context

"Ionism In Context"

I was inspired by the Thread Getting Freaky with Islam. Isn't strange you don't see this shown on Fox, CNN, learning institutions; but they will talk about Islam and Christianity with forked tongues. This will be an excellent litmus test for DP as I have plenty more of these quotes to come. I'm sure most of you won't be shocked or even act like you saw it at all--denial. A sign your a closet Zionist. :mrgreen:

The peculiar translation of the quran contained an associated web-link to a host that is seriously dedicated to the quran. The citation was found, along with multiple interpretations, during investigation of how women are treated under that authority. Any quote, with verifyable citation, found in the torah would make more assoiciative sense. Perhaps one might add how the torah is distinct from islam.

Now, paranoia might indicate that the jews are taking over the world, especially since the binladen family flew out of the US without question immediately after 9/11, authorized by the highest levels of government when everyone else was grounded, and arab oil holds approximately 15% of US assets. However, the jews are not pervasively pursuing the institution of socially intolerant, theocratic governments under the meniacle authority of torah law.

Christianity has undergone extensive social inspection, whereas islam has only just begun. In that christianity absolved itself to the responsibilities of the torah law in option to deciding tradition by faith, islam is culturally mired within the immutable edicts of sharia law which does not fit with free society. It must be challenged before the light of day and against the intelligence of modern construction. Phenomenologically, it was written from within in a cave for the sustenance of primitive peoples.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

I was inspired by the Thread Getting Freaky with Islam. Isn't strange you don't see this shown on Fox, CNN, learning institutions; but they will talk about Islam and Christianity with forked tongues. This will be an excellent litmus test for DP as I have plenty more of these quotes to come. I'm sure most of you won't be shocked or even act like you saw it at all--denial. A sign your a closet Zionist. :mrgreen:

Foolish post. As I have posted on another thread, sacred scriptures of all major religions are littered with statements claiming superiority, professing xenophobia, and justifying or encouraging violence. Your post proves two things: 1) that my statement is correct, and 2) that you have a rather obvious agenda which is actually the purpose of this and most of your posts...to attack Judaism.

 

[tryreading]

Foolish post. As I have posted on another thread, sacred scriptures of all major religions are littered with statements claiming superiority, professing xenophobia, and justifying or encouraging violence. Your post proves two things: 1) that my statement is correct, and 2) that you have a rather obvious agenda which is actually the purpose of this and most of your posts...to attack Judaism.

He may be anti-Jew, I don't know. But it is fair to expose the flaws in all the religious texts if we're exposing any of the books. Also fair to expose any flaws in what the non-religious don't believe (if that makes sense), and treat them equally.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Foolish post. As I have posted on another thread, sacred scriptures of all major religions are littered with statements claiming superiority, professing xenophobia,

Strange, you didn't even post that in the Getting Freaky with Islam thread? What's your agenda? Foolish Post.

Yes but thats what happens when people believe in bullshit written hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

Yea, the Bible and Koran and Talmud were just written in the last 100 years. And that's why people believe in them. BS

He may be anti-Jew,

So when someone criticizes the Quran then he might be anti-Muslim? And it's not a war on terror but guised that way for his homophope and racist and bigoted views? Agreed.

I realize many closet and open Zionists exist on DP and so here is some more Talmud quotes to see what your protecting and what is your agenda for protecting them? You claim to be Christian--I don't believe you.

"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim asks if our books contain anything against them." -Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Via 17

"A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated." -9boda Sarah 37

"How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy." -Tosefta, Qbda Zara VIRZ, 5

"If you eat with a Gentile, it is the same as eating with a dog." - Tosapoth, Jebamoth 94b

Even the best of the Goim [Christians] should be killed. - Abhodah Zarah (25b)T
If Jew kills a Christian he commits no sin. - Sepher Or Israel 177b

 

[Makhno]

Yes but thats what happens when people believe in bullshit written hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

Yep . . . nail on the head, there.

But of course you can inteprate these books in a hundreds, or thousands, of different ways . . . however some of of the stuff doesn't translate into something "peaceful". "It's a metaphore" they say, but with some of the stuff written in these texts, I can't see it myself.

 

[rathi]

Most religious texts of any length has enough contradictory passages to justify anything. The Desert religions certainly has plenty of situations in which god can either be vengeful or nice. Depending on the leaders desire, they can quote the correct passage to support war or peace. The lack of internal consistency in them makes it very easy to claim religious support for anything you want. Religion can easily be melded into a weapon of war or peace. Buddhism gets a small pass for it being hard justify violent action with it. Many Buddhists have certainly been violent, but rarely can they use religion to bind others to their cause. Furthermore, when followers have already been taught to suspend rational thought when dealing with religion, it makes bending them to a leaders will even easier.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Strange, you didn't even post that in the Getting Freaky with Islam thread? What's your agenda? Foolish Post.

I've posted the same thing on a couple of threads...don't need to post it everywhere. Nice dodge though...or attempt at a dodge. My position stands. Every ancient religious text has violent, contradictory, xenophobic statements. Your presenting the Talmud, here is agenda-driven. No different then one who is anti-Muslim posting quotes form the Quran.

Furthermore, you offer nothing to debate and no point to your post. What do you want to discuss, here? The fact that you don't say, but just post these quotes, with little commentary and no direction, exposes your purpose. If that's what you want to discuss there is no need to hide. I'm sure there are many who would gladly debate you.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

He may be anti-Jew, I don't know. But it is fair to expose the flaws in all the religious texts if we're exposing any of the books. Also fair to expose any flaws in what the non-religious don't believe (if that makes sense), and treat them equally.

I would agree that a scholarly discussion about the inconsistencies and contradictions of ancient religious texts and their impact on modern society and morals is an excellent discussion/debate. The OP does not do that. All it does is aim the discussion towards a 'my religion is better than yours' debate, a pointless discussion, usually filled with prejudice and bigotry. It also is aimed towards attacking a particular religion.

 

[tryreading]

I would agree that a scholarly discussion about the inconsistencies and contradictions of ancient religious texts and their impact on modern society and morals is an excellent discussion/debate. The OP does not do that. All it does is aim the discussion towards a 'my religion is better than yours' debate, a pointless discussion, usually filled with prejudice and bigotry. It also is aimed towards attacking a particular religion.

This same type of thread is started pretty regularly to ridicule Christianity and Islam, and Mormonism. I don't know much about the Jewish religion, but it probably deserves equal time.

 

[Caine]

The funny part about this thread is that he chose the Talmud, not the Torah, to use in his criticizm. The Talmud is NOT the Jewish equivalent to the Quran, and it is NOT the Jewish equivalent to the Bible. That would be the Torah, in a sense.

The Talmud would be the jewish equivalent to a Pat Robertson commentary on the bible.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

This same type of thread is started pretty regularly to ridicule Christianity and Islam, and Mormonism. I don't know much about the Jewish religion, but it probably deserves equal time.

I don't disagree with you. I haven't gotten involved in them, too often, lately. In the past I've said the same thing about several different religions, not just Judaism. There is a difference between an intelligent thread and a troll/flame thread. The former are interesting and fun to be involved in, to me. When I see the latter, I'm going to expose them.

 

[The face of Jacob]

The funny part about this thread is that he chose the Talmud, not the Torah, to use in his criticizm. The Talmud is NOT the Jewish equivalent to the Quran, and it is NOT the Jewish equivalent to the Bible. That would be the Torah, in a sense.

The Talmud would be the jewish equivalent to a Pat Robertson commentary on the bible.

What a miserable and ignoramous post from someone who said that he learns Judaism and will consider to be a Jew in the future!

You don't have a clue about the things you are talking about!

There is no essence for the Torah without the Talmud which is the Orally Torah that Moses recieved from G-d. You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

The Talmud is important thing as much as the Torah and the Talmud explains many things regarding the commandments and how to do things and also give explanations to the Torah:

For example, the sentence: Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, the Talmud explains that it's about money compencation and not about revenge.

Another example, there is the hospitality of Abraham to the 3 messengers when he welcomed them in warm and he and his wife gave them food and there is also the "warm" hospitality of Laban to Jacob when he kissed him on the mouth.

The difference is that the Talmud explains that Laban kissed Jacob on the mouth because he thought that Jacob hides diamonds in his mouth so he wanted to steal them from him.

Without the Talmud we wouldn't know that at all

And there are many other examples.

So, Caine, you have got to go a long long way before you can say these nonsence of yours in here.

The problem is that some hotile gentiles to Jews are trying to understand the Talmud without Jewish guidnes and they twist it completely.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

What a miserable and ignoramous post from someone who said that he learns Judaism and will consider to be a Jew in the future!

You don't have a clue about the things you are talking about!

There is no essence for the Torah without the Talmud which is the Orally Torah that Moses recieved from G-d. You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

The Talmud is important thing as much as the Torah and the Talmud explains many things regarding the commandments and how to do things and also give explanations to the Torah:

For example, the sentence: Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, the Talmud explains that it's about money compencation and not about revenge.

Another example, there is the hospitality of Abraham to the 3 messengers when he welcomed them in warm and he and his wife gave them food and there is also the "warm" hospitality of Laban to Jacob when he kissed him on the mouth.

The difference is that the Talmud explains that Laban kissed Jacob on the mouth because he thought that Jacob hides diamonds in his mouth so he wanted to steal them from him.

Without the Talmud we wouldn't know that at all

And there are many other examples.

So, Caine, you have got to go a long long way before you can say these nonsence of yours in here.

The problem is that some hotile gentiles to Jews are trying to understand the Talmud without Jewish guidnes and they twist it completely.

Firstly, it is unnecessary to insult Caine. Secondly, I agree with you. The Talmud, the Oral Law is as important, in different ways, as the Torah. It is, however, more interpretable, and often information is reinterpretted to reflect modern issues. Thirdly, deep Talmudic study is a fairly intense process and probably isn't appropriate for laymen; one must have a significant understanding of the Torah, Jewish history, traditions, etc... in order to do it.

 

[nes]

There is no essence for the Torah without the Talmud which is the Orally Torah that Moses recieved from G-d. You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

Saying God is the same expression as if you were to say g-d, so don't even bother hiding the o. Why don't you say the word God correctly?

The Talmud is important thing as much as the Torah and the Talmud explains many things regarding the commandments and how to do things and also give explanations to the Torah:

And these explanations came from who? Who made these explanations?

For example, the sentence: Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, the Talmud explains that it's about money compencation and not about revenge.

The NeS explains that it is about justice.

Another example, there is the hospitality of Abraham to the 3 messengers when he welcomed them in warm and he and his wife gave them food and there is also the "warm" hospitality of Laban to Jacob when he kissed him on the mouth.

And who wrote this? Someone that claims to have talked to god?

The difference is that the Talmud explains that Laban kissed Jacob on the mouth because he thought that Jacob hides diamonds in his mouth so he wanted to steal them from him.

Without the Talmud we wouldn't know that at all

And that explanation has backing?

The problem is that some hotile gentiles to Jews are trying to understand the Talmud without Jewish guidnes and they twist it completely.

I think that the talmud twists the interpretations of scriptures written by people who claim to have talked to god.

 

[tryreading]

I don't disagree with you. I haven't gotten involved in them, too often, lately. In the past I've said the same thing about several different religions, not just Judaism. There is a difference between an intelligent thread and a troll/flame thread. The former are interesting and fun to be involved in, to me. When I see the latter, I'm going to expose them.

You're right, its a flame thread. Its just more of the same, not a tool for learning anything.

 

[Caine]

What a miserable and ignoramous post from someone who said that he learns Judaism and will consider to be a Jew in the future!

You don't have a clue about the things you are talking about!

There is no essence for the Torah without the Talmud which is the Orally Torah that Moses recieved from G-d. You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

The Talmud is important thing as much as the Torah and the Talmud explains many things regarding the commandments and how to do things and also give explanations to the Torah:

For example, the sentence: Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, the Talmud explains that it's about money compencation and not about revenge.

Another example, there is the hospitality of Abraham to the 3 messengers when he welcomed them in warm and he and his wife gave them food and there is also the "warm" hospitality of Laban to Jacob when he kissed him on the mouth.

The difference is that the Talmud explains that Laban kissed Jacob on the mouth because he thought that Jacob hides diamonds in his mouth so he wanted to steal them from him.

Without the Talmud we wouldn't know that at all

And there are many other examples.

So, Caine, you have got to go a long long way before you can say these nonsence of yours in here.

The problem is that some hotile gentiles to Jews are trying to understand the Talmud without Jewish guidnes and they twist it completely.

LOL..... I figured I would get this response.
I understand the Talmud is important.
I just had a hard time finding something in the christian world to compare it to.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

Its just more of the same, not a tool for learning anything.

But I thought the road to enlightenment was learning everything--be that Christian or some atheist intellectual bard--let's continue the education for those interested in what was hidden from them. Let's see the Christian Harmony in these:

Christians likened to cows and asses. - Zohar II (64b):
Psalmist compares Christians to beasts. - Kethuboth (110b):
Sexual intercourse with Christian same as intercourse with beast. - Sanhedrin (74b)
The seed [children] of Christians valued same as the seed of a beast. - Kethuboth (3b):
Those Jews who do good to Christians never rise when dead. - Zohar (1, 25b)
Jews are to hide their hatred for Christians. - Iore Dea (148, 12H):
Christian property belongs to the first Jew claiming it. - Babha Bathra (54b):
Keep any overpayment Christians make in error. - Choschen Ham (193, 7):
It is permitted for a Jew to deceive Christians. - Babha Kama (113b):
Jew may deceive Christians. - Iore Dea (157, 2) H:
Jew may lie and perjure himself to condemn a Christian. - Babha Kama (113a):
The name of God is not profaned when a Jew lies to Christians. - Babha Kama (113b):
Jew may perjure himself when lying about Christians. - Kallah (1b, p. 18):
Jews may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording. - Schabbouth Hag (6d):

Strange, why no big-wig Zionist supporting Christian tele-evanglist talks about this--unless, they're false prophets.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

But I thought the road to enlightenment was learning everything--be that Christian or some atheist intellectual bard--let's continue the education for those interested in what was hidden from them. Let's see the Christian Harmony in these:

Strange, why no big-wig Zionist supporting Christian tele-evanglist talks about this--unless, they're false prophets.

Moderator's Warning:

OK, I asked one before, now I ask again. Either post something debatable, like commentary or questions, or this thread will end.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

I find it very alarming that the vast majority of Christianity doesn't understand or want to understand the Talmud, as:

You can't understand the Torah without the Talmud at all.

What is mainstream Christians trying to hide? Why are the Christians and certain media outlets that are Zionist lackeys--want to talk about certain Koran verses and yet nothing of the Talmud? What Judeo Christian Church can talk about the Talmud openly without being labeled racial slurs? I don't know any. I don't know any media outlet neither. I find it very suspicious I cannot find one condemnation of these sick verses. :2wave:

 

[Thelost1]

People are aligned against you because the vast majority (of the ones that I have seen, at least) of your posts thus far have been for the sole purpose of attacking Jews. You may say that you are just pointing things out, or whatever, but your anti-semitic agenda is pretty clear.

I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Stormfront membership.

 

[tryreading]

But I thought the road to enlightenment was learning everything--be that Christian or some atheist intellectual bard--let's continue the education for those interested in what was hidden from them. Let's see the Christian Harmony in these:

Strange, why no big-wig Zionist supporting Christian tele-evanglist talks about this--unless, they're false prophets.

Sure, learn everything, the good and bad. But recognize that there is both in all religions.

I am not religious. All I want from religious people is for them to understand that there can be no enforcement of their religion through American law. Other than that, they should live long and prosper.

 

[Navy Seal Patriot]

People are aligned against you because the vast majority (of the ones that I have seen, at least) of your posts thus far have been for the sole purpose of attacking Jews. You may say that you are just pointing things out, or whatever, but your anti-semitic agenda is pretty clear.

People aligned against me? Sure. And quite possibly no one dares to condemn it because then they will be labeled anti-Jewish. A programmed no-response and don't care attitude people have been conditioned with from mainstream religion, Media, and learning institutions. As your term "anti-semitic" shows your lack of understanding due to the conditioning you received via the latter mentioned institutions. Semitic people include Arabs and most of the Muslim world--hence using the word Anti-Semitic just to specifically describe those who call themselves Jews--is a lie the ignorant only believe. Do I hate Jews? Well let's get a few things straight about it:

1. Jews have none or little racial connection to the Biblical Israelites the Judeo-Christians believe to be the Chosen People. 2. The Jews don't just believe in the OT as in a Christian Bible; they believe in the Talmud in which you can see the verses given. 3. The holocaust was very murdersome, but the other genocides have killed way more than just 6 million; the Red Stalin purges and the Red Chinese commie religion have taken out seperately way more than just 6 million--why the constant attention to just the WW2 Jewish genocide and not other genocides? Sympathy = Power + Money + Arms = _____________ you fill in the line to this formula.

I wouldn't be surprised if you have a Stormfront membership.

Sorry, not a member of Stormfront; are you a member of the JDL or ADL? It wouldn't surprise me at all. People, you can claim all along you don't or won't condemn this because of my supposed agenda--I don't buy it--it's in your agenda to hide it, cover it up and act like it's no big deal; everyone has an agenda; mine based on the factual--show me your facts.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

People aligned against me? Sure. And quite possibly no one dares to condemn it because then they will be labeled anti-Jewish.

OK, let's clear this up, right now. Perhaps the reasons that people don't condemn it are twofold. Firstly, people are aware of your agenda and don't want to feed into it. Secondly, the Talmud, like all other ancient texts, has quotes in it that can be construed as violent and xenophobic. However, as I've stated before, and you consistently overlook (hence, showing your agenda) is that the Talmud is constantly being reinnterpretted in order to reflect modern times. This is an important reason why these quotes are not seen as horrific or xenophobic, currently. With rabinical study and reevaluation, these are not things that Jews follow, andy longer. I hope this helps you to understand why it is obvious that all you are doing is blowing smoke and trying to incite or futher your anti-Jewish agenda.

As your term "anti-semitic" shows your lack of understanding due to the conditioning you received via the latter mentioned institutions. Semitic people include Arabs and most of the Muslim world--hence using the word Anti-Semitic just to specifically describe those who call themselves Jews--is a lie the ignorant only believe.

Now you are being either intentionally obtuse or intellectually disintegritious. Of course Semites include Arabs. The term anti-Semite is used to describe anti-Jewish sentiments. It is not ignorant to do this. It is the standard way that the term is used. It may be ignorant to deny this.

Do I hate Jews?

Well, answer your own question.

1. Jews have none or little racial connection to the Biblical Israelites the Judeo-Christians believe to be the Chosen People.

Don't have time to address this one, right now.

2. The Jews don't just believe in the OT as in a Christian Bible; they believe in the Talmud in which you can see the verses given.

Completely false. The OT is the Torah. Jews absolutely believe in it. Show evidence of your claim, or retract.

3. The holocaust was very murdersome, but the other genocides have killed way more than just 6 million; the Red Stalin purges and the Red Chinese commie religion have taken out seperately way more than just 6 million--why the constant attention to just the WW2 Jewish genocide and not other genocides? Sympathy = Power + Money + Arms = _____________ you fill in the line to this formula.

Yes, there have been other horrific holocausts. Comparing one attrocity to another is ridiculous...they're all horrific. I will ignore the bold. Standard anti-Semetic rhetoric.

Sorry, not a member of Stormfront; are you a member of the JDL or ADL? It wouldn't surprise me at all. People, you can claim all along you don't or won't condemn this because of my supposed agenda--I don't buy it--it's in your agenda to hide it, cover it up and act like it's no big deal; everyone has an agenda; mine based on the factual--show me your facts.

Your facts are an attempt to take facts and spin them towards your agenda. I have shown your facts, when placed in the appropriate context, show a different outcome. If your agenda is to question issues with the Talmud, I've already refuted that. If that's your agenda...