Get your vaccine

[EnigmaO01]

Will get the latest booster as soon as available which is any day now. Just got my annual flu shot. I don't make excuses for not getting them. I just get them. I personally know two people that have died from covid. One of them just died a few weeks ago.

My Great grandmother lost her first four children to diseases we have either eradicated via vaccines or we have vaccines for. I don't have much sympathy for those that refuse vaccines.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I don't think Offit ever said that. And in this discussion you posted, what's clear is VACCINES in general do have great benefits, including reducing long COVID. If everyone listened to CDC, and Offit, in the early going and got 2 doses, we'd be much better off. Offit I think would be the first to tell you that COVID in an unvaccinated person is FAR riskier than the vaccines.

Offit is very pro-vax, and I said that. But in spite of being very pro-vax, he questions some of the official recommendations.

I also am aware of many experts who are not so extremely pro-vax, but I don't post them here because you will reflexively say they are conspiracy theorists.

 

[JasperL]

Offit is very pro-vax, and I said that. But in spite of being very pro-vax, he questions some of the official recommendations.

I also am aware of many experts who are not so extremely pro-vax, but I don't post them here because you will reflexively say they are conspiracy theorists.

I don't know who the "many experts" are but Offit is as you say a "LEADING expert" and he cites the evidence, throughout that video, that show the benefits of vaccines. And "questions some of the official recommendations" is to say nothing, really. His disagreements with the "official recommendations" are on the margins. That's expected given the fact we're dealing with a novel virus, novel vaccines. But the core message of this video is vaccines WORK, are safe, prevent serious illness and death, prevented millions of cases of long covid. What's unclear is whether this for most people 4th shot is going to work to prevent serious illness in "healthy young" people.

If you want to support another opinion, you'll need to cite someone else. Just for example, your own video has Offit recommending vaccines for very young children, and it's likely because he sees them when they are hospitalized and says avoiding that is safe and a good thing to do, even if the kids do not DIE.

FWIW, I listen to "LEADING experts" and Offit clearly is one. I listened to this entire video, that YOU posted, because I looked him up, he's a serious person, and I wanted to know what he said. I didn't "reflexively" anything in response to your OP. What I also pointed out is he's no friend to your views that you've advanced here from the beginning. If you want to make some other point, contrary to the expert you cited, then you can post those videos. But, for example, the I believe retired nurse in the UK who I know you've posted many times is not a "leading expert" on vaccines, so I really don't care what he has to say, when I can listen to ACTUAL experts like Offit.

 

[JasperL]

I prefer Denmark's approach to the Covid vaccine.

Vaccination against covid-19

Vaccination against covid-19 protects against serious illness and hospitalization. In Denmark, many persons have accepted the offer of vaccination against covid-19.

www.sst.dk

I do too - get everyone vaccinated. The bivalent booster is only for those who are already fully vaccinated. They are not recommending that for everyone, since being fully vaccinated provides the core protection against serious illness.

Denmark has about 83% vaccinated, and I couldn't find it by age but I assume those missing are mostly 18 and below. The comparable number is 68% in the U.S. as a whole, and in my red state of TN the number is about 56%, because the state is run by stupid people and we have too many people listening to anti-vax idiots.

 

[Fledermaus]

Uh huh, Sure he is.

To be fair he is.

And he has received death threats because of his rejection of the vaccines cause autism nonsense.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

That's a good discussion. Offit doesn't give anti-vaxxers any safe haven. It also points this out:

Yet the OP found ONE credible source - so he can ignore the thousands of other credible sources - that "seems to" support his anti-vaxx stance and lo and behold, he didn't bother to read up on Offit or really dig into what Offit believes. Egg on face is the mental picture I am getting.

 

[JasperL]

Yet the OP found ONE credible source - so he can ignore the thousands of other credible sources - that "seems to" support his anti-vaxx stance and lo and behold, he didn't bother to read up on Offit or really dig into what Offit believes. Egg on face is the mental picture I am getting.

Yeah, that entire video is a complete rejection of that person's overall views on vaccines. Offit holds roughly zero views in common with the anti-vaxxers.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yet the OP found ONE credible source - so he can ignore the thousands of other credible sources - that "seems to" support his anti-vaxx stance and lo and behold, he didn't bother to read up on Offit or really dig into what Offit believes. Egg on face is the mental picture I am getting.

There are MANY credible experts who are skeptical of the drug industry advertising propaganda. But they are immediately branded antivaxxer conspiracy theorists the minute the express the slightest bit of skepticism.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yeah, that entire video is a complete rejection of that person's overall views on vaccines. Offit holds roughly zero views in common with the anti-vaxxers.

No I agreed with a lot of what he said. There should not be any more mandates for healthy children and college students. The drug companies just want to sell as many vaccines as possible.

 

[Hamish Howl]

If you are under age 40 and healthy, you can just stop the vaccine madness.

No.

 

[JasperL]

No I agreed with a lot of what he said. There should not be any more mandates for healthy children and college students. The drug companies just want to sell as many vaccines as possible.

You've opposed vaccines, period, since the beginning. So you opposed the first dose, second dose, third dose, and now this booster, other than presumably for the old and sick. What that got a lot of people - going unvaccinated - was a bunch of preventable long COVID, and severe illness that vaccines would have prevented. Offit supported vaccines, from the beginning.

What you share with Offit is that he's not in favor of everyone getting this booster, but that's because he assumes everyone is vaccinated, or should be. In fact the bivalent booster can only be given to someone fully vaccinated. So you're cherry picking one small part of his position, and ignoring the rest.

And I don't know where there are "mandates" for those groups, but he believes all children including very young ones should be vaccinated. You oppose that.

 

[holbritter]

STOP GIVING VACCINES TO KIDS!!

Really?
So what does Dr. Offit really have to say about vaccines?

I Won’t Call Dr. Paul Offit an Anti-Vaxxer

Future data will clarify the risks and benefits of a booster in young people. I am confident Dr. Offit will accept it and report it as fairly as possible. That's what makes him completely different fr

sciencebasedmedicine.org

I believe the OP is referring to the third booster. Dr. Offit agrees, in that link you posted. He's not an anti-vaxxer, he not on board with everyone getting the 3rd shot

 

[NewfieMom]

I hate big drug companies and I hate big insurance companies and both are out to make money. On the other hand, everyone I know (practically) has had covid19. That is madness. If we can stop it, we should. We have stopped many contagious diseases with vaccines.

I have not yet had covid (by some miracle because my daughter, whom I see daily and whose dirty dishes I handle and whom I drive in my car got it so I was exposed) and I really don't want it. But why should everyone else have it? My niece won't let me near her children unless they have just gotten over covid and are in the period when their pediatrician says they are immune!

 

[Parrish]

I live with someone who is immuno compromised, being 11 weeks into chemotherapy. I get vaccinated to protect her first, me second.

Yes, sir, @beefheart. I'm the wife of a physician, vaccinated due to his exposure to those who may be infected, who got vaccinated for me, caregiver to his father who has Alsheimer's, mother to 2 residents, one who was infected in April 2020 and a long-hauler and grandmother to an immuno-compromised special needs child who is now able to be vaccinated to protect his teacher, her family and his classmates and their families.. I got vaccinated for them and they all were vaccinated for me. We all got vaccinated for you, your partner and our community. It was an easy decision.

Wishing your partner and you the absolute best outcome.

 

[Good4Nothin]

I hate big drug companies and I hate big insurance companies and both are out to make money. On the other hand, everyone I know (practically) has had covid19. That is madness. If we can stop it, we should. We have stopped many contagious diseases with vaccines.

I have not yet had covid (by some miracle because my daughter, whom I see daily and whose dirty dishes I handle and whom I drive in my car got it so I was exposed) and I really don't want it. But why should everyone else have it? My niece won't let me near her children unless they have just gotten over covid and are in the period when their pediatrician says they are immune!

The vaccines won't stop you from getting covid. If you are very old and/or sick they might prevent serious covid. But don't get the vaccines and boosters just because you don't want to get even a mild case of covid. You will get covid. Everyone you know had it. Maybe you had it without symptoms and didn't even know you had it -- that happens a lot.

Don't be OCD over not wanting to get covid. You can't get it from dirty dishes, for one thing! Haven't you heard any of the news about covid. It is respiratory, which has been known almost from the beginning.

I know people who disinfected their mail. Come on.

 

[bomberfox]

If you are VERY old. If you are very old, you could be killed even by a cold or flu. So yes, if you are very old, and fragile, get more and more and more covid boosters and maybe that will help keep you alive.

If you are under age 40 and healthy, you can just stop the vaccine madness. Many other countries have stopped giving covid vaccines to children. Many US experts now say the risk outweighs the benefit for healthy young people.

This video is an interview with Paul Offit, a well known expert on vaccines. If you say he is an antivaxxer conspiracy theorist, you will be displaying your ignorance.

you dont need lung replacements for a cold. Eat your horse paste.

 

[bomberfox]

The vaccines won't stop you from getting covid. If you are very old and/or sick they might prevent serious covid. But don't get the vaccines and boosters just because you don't want to get even a mild case of covid. You will get covid. Everyone you know had it. Maybe you had it without symptoms and didn't even know you had it -- that happens a lot.

Don't be OCD over not wanting to get covid. You can't get it from dirty dishes, for one thing! Haven't you heard any of the news about covid. It is respiratory, which has been known almost from the beginning.

I know people who disinfected their mail. Come on.

I want you to be OCD about eating your horse paste.

 

[bomberfox]

Offit is very pro-vax, and I said that. But in spite of being very pro-vax, he questions some of the official recommendations.

I also am aware of many experts who are not so extremely pro-vax, but I don't post them here because you will reflexively say they are conspiracy theorists.

im also aware you pretend to be an expert on horse paste.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The vaccines won't stop you from getting covid. If you are very old and/or sick they might prevent serious covid. But don't get the vaccines and boosters just because you don't want to get even a mild case of covid. You will get covid. Everyone you know had it. Maybe you had it without symptoms and didn't even know you had it -- that happens a lot.

Don't be OCD over not wanting to get covid. You can't get it from dirty dishes, for one thing! Haven't you heard any of the news about covid. It is respiratory, which has been known almost from the beginning.

I know people who disinfected their mail. Come on.

only old people die from covid, huh?

Notable Anti-Vaxxers Who Died From COVID-19

For a while there, anti-vaxxers with a platform who protested against or tried to discredit the COVID-19 vaccine were dying from the virus.

newsone.com

sorryantivaxxer.com | stories of anti-vaxxers who died from COVID.

They thought COVID was a scam, until they lay dying from it. sorryantivaxxer.com tells their story using their own facebook and twitter posts.

www.sorryantivaxxer.com

this is one of the more enjoyable parts of debating with people who make wild inane statements, it is SO easy to debunk them but doing a simple internet search.

 

[NewfieMom]

You can't get it from dirty dishes, for one thing!

That was shorthand. I wouldn't have had her in my house if I knew she had covid. The "dirty dishes" comment meant she had come over in my car, sitting beside me, was sitting in my living room with me, was having me cook and serve her food, and clear it away. Then, later, after who knows what contact, I drove her home. I am a mother, not someone who works in a restaurant clearing dishes.

I love Parrish's post. I, also, see people whom I do not want to subject to possible covid infection. After I had been exposed to my daughter, although I tested negative for covid, I self-isolated. (You said people often didn't have symptoms so they didn't know they had it. I tested myself, although I know that at-home tests can be flawed.) I had to cancel several social engagements, but I was not about to put other people at risk when I wasn't sure that my initial self-test was going to hold.

 

[JasperL]

There are MANY credible experts who are skeptical of the drug industry advertising propaganda. But they are immediately branded antivaxxer conspiracy theorists the minute the express the slightest bit of skepticism.

It's simpler than that. We all know what the "LEADING experts" believe about COVID vaccines. We can all listen to Dr. Offit - a LEADING expert - he fully supports them, even with young children, because they worked at very low risk.

We can open our own eyes and see vaccines did work to reduce serious cases and deaths. Our local hospital that handles the worst cases published data every day about COVID hospitalizations and vaccines, and invariably 80% or more of those hospitalized were UNvaccinated, and the median age for most of those days was in the 50s or early 60s, so we aren't talking the "elderly elderly" here.

Tennessee is near dead last on vaccination rates, and near dead last for deaths per million. That's not a coincidence. That same relationship is true for all the worst states on deaths/million - they have low vaccination rates.

So why waste time with your "experts" that we know in advance are going to bad mouth vaccines when we really CAN listen to the actual experts?

The vaccines won't stop you from getting covid. If you are very old and/or sick they might prevent serious covid.

Again, the problem is apparently a helluva lot of "very sick" people didn't think they were 'very sick' and didn't get vaccinated and either died or ended up in the hospital with very serious cases. According to "many experts" one of the biggest problems is high blood pressure, and often that's not diagnosed or maybe those taking drugs don't believe high blood pressure qualifies them as "very sick." The whole basket of issues associates with overweight and obesity led to serious cases. So what's better - encourage vaccines, period, or let each of us decide who is "very sick"? We can see the results - vaccinated people had lower rates of serious cases.

Further, the data show vaccines reduced the rate of 'long COVID' from 40% to 16%. Seems relevant to me.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yeah, that entire video is a complete rejection of that person's overall views on vaccines. Offit holds roughly zero views in common with the anti-vaxxers.

I am NOT an antivaxxer, and I know exactly what Offit thinks about vaccines.

 

[Hamish Howl]

I am NOT an antivaxxer, and I know exactly what Offit thinks about vaccines.

Yes, you are. It's all you ever post about.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Again, the problem is apparently a helluva lot of "very sick" people didn't think they were 'very sick' and didn't get vaccinated and either died or ended up in the hospital with very serious cases. According to "many experts" one of the biggest problems is high blood pressure, and often that's not diagnosed or maybe those taking drugs don't believe high blood pressure qualifies them as "very sick." The whole basket of issues associates with overweight and obesity led to serious cases. So what's better - encourage vaccines, period, or let each of us decide who is "very sick"? We can see the results - vaccinated people had lower rates of serious cases.

Further, the data show vaccines reduced the rate of 'long COVID' from 40% to 16%. Seems relevant to me.

Yes, all the diseases related to metabolic syndrome (resulting from the typical modern lifestyle) contributed to covid hospitalization and death. These lifestyle diseases involve chronic inflammation, and severe covid involves and extreme inflammatory reaction of the immune system. So I think it is the (unintended) immune-suppressing effect of these mRNA vaccines that helped prevent severe covid and death in patients with metabolic syndrome. That is NOT at all how vaccines are expected to work!

As for long covid, from what I read or heard, there is NO data showing what you are claiming here, and I explained this in another post. When they analyzed long covid data, they did NOT consider vaccination status! So there is no way to know, as yet, whether the vaccines can prevent long covid.

It is true that a VERY large percentage of Americans have metabolic syndrome, resulting from a very unhealthy lifestyle. The medical authorities did NOT recommend. They recommended vaccines, lockdowns and masks.

Instead of improving their lifestyle during the pandemic, most did the opposite. The messaging from the authorities had people afraid to leave their homes, except to get a vaccine.

 

[Good4Nothin]

Yes, you are. It's all you ever post about.

I post about the covid mRNA vaccines. I distrust the drug industry, and the medical authorities and mainstream media that are controlled by it.