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Obamacare won't be repealed. Under the Roberts Court, it is settled law. In addition, any attempt to defund Obamacare, using the debt ceiling as a hostage, or threatening to shut down the government. will end up destroying the Republican party, since a vast majority of people are now in favor of it. The more moderate faction of the Republican party sees this, and will undermine any attempt by the Tea Party faction to carry this out. Thus, any attempt at this will fail in the House, as it already has, many times in the past. Like it or not, Obamacare is here to stay.
Obamacare? It's a mixed bag. Having the Federal government dictate our health care is a repugnant idea, but what is the alternative? Emergency rooms? Do you have any idea how much THAT costs the taxpayers? At least, with the individual mandate, the taxpayers will be recovering some of what they lose when people go to the emergency room, and then not pay for the visit.
Here is what I would like to see. What would YOU advocate as a replacement for Obamacare, would it be a better option, and how and why?
I would like to see some serious ideas. "Obamacare is a Leebrul Communist conspiracy" or "Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare because they hate poor people" are NOT valid ideas. They are stupid and moronic troll posts, so don't be a moron or a troll. If you have an idea, I would certainly like to see it. If you have no ideas, but still feel, for a legitimate reason, that Obamacare needs to go, then that is OK, but please explain why, and explain intelligently, and I will have no problem with that.
Bottom line here..... Is health care a right, or is it a privilege to be enjoyed by only those who can pay for it, or who you feel deserve it? If it is a right, then explain why you support it. If it is a privilege, then explain why you don't support it. And, more importantly, if there is a better way than Obamacare to offer health care to the American people, I would certainly like to hear it.
At this time, my lean is against Obamacare, but I have an open mind. Convince me, one way or the other.
Obamacare won't be repealed. Under the Roberts Court, it is settled law. In addition, any attempt to defund Obamacare, using the debt ceiling as a hostage, or threatening to shut down the government. will end up destroying the Republican party, since a vast majority of people are now in favor of it. The more moderate faction of the Republican party sees this, and will undermine any attempt by the Tea Party faction to carry this out. Thus, any attempt at this will fail in the House, as it already has, many times in the past. Like it or not, Obamacare is here to stay.
Obamacare? It's a mixed bag. Having the Federal government dictate our health care is a repugnant idea, but what is the alternative? Emergency rooms? Do you have any idea how much THAT costs the taxpayers? At least, with the individual mandate, the taxpayers will be recovering some of what they lose when people go to the emergency room, and then not pay for the visit.
Here is what I would like to see. What would YOU advocate as a replacement for Obamacare, would it be a better option, and how and why?
I would like to see some serious ideas. "Obamacare is a Leebrul Communist conspiracy" or "Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare because they hate poor people" are NOT valid ideas. They are stupid and moronic troll posts, so don't be a moron or a troll. If you have an idea, I would certainly like to see it. If you have no ideas, but still feel, for a legitimate reason, that Obamacare needs to go, then that is OK, but please explain why, and explain intelligently, and I will have no problem with that.
Bottom line here..... Is health care a right, or is it a privilege to be enjoyed by only those who can pay for it, or who you feel deserve it? If it is a right, then explain why you support it. If it is a privilege, then explain why you don't support it. And, more importantly, if there is a better way than Obamacare to offer health care to the American people, I would certainly like to hear it.
At this time, my lean is against Obamacare, but I have an open mind. Convince me, one way or the other.
Insurance should be pretty much voluntary...
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I would also come up with a catastrophic coverage plan that everyone is required to have.
:think:............
What's your question. If I though it should be completely voluntary I would have said that.
So what your saying is that forcing, by law, people to buy a health insurance plan would be classified by you as "pretty much voluntary"?
Only make them buy catastrophic coverage. That is pretty much it, yeah.
So if your are ethically ok with making people pay for catastrophic coverage, why not all coverage?
Only make them buy catastrophic coverage. That is pretty much it, yeah.
So if your are ethically ok with making people pay for catastrophic coverage, why not all coverage?
So they would voluntarily be forced to buy insurance?
Why would you say that? It's sure not what I said.
You realize that catastrophic coverage is health insurance right?
Ok, so what are you gonna do with a poor person shows up at the ER?
How's it going Jimbo?
Doin fine Mak, and if I find myself with a medical problem, I've got it covered.
I don't recall addressing poor people, just addressing the ethics of forcing people to pay for others insurance.
I heard Levin making a not too accurate analogy between healthcare and car insurance once. He was trying to say since car insurance doesnt cover basic maintence and upkeep health care shouldnt either. I think that is probably where this came from.
Well uh yeah, that's why I included in what I think should be done to health insurance. You do realize it is a separate type of policy you can buy right now don't you?
You really don't see anything wrong with what you said?
You're proposing ObamaCare, except with slightly different minimum coverage options. And then pretending that because you only mandate catastrophic coverage, that really it's "pretty much voluntary".
Obamacare won't be repealed. Under the Roberts Court, it is settled law. In addition, any attempt to defund Obamacare, using the debt ceiling as a hostage, or threatening to shut down the government. will end up destroying the Republican party, since a vast majority of people are now in favor of it. The more moderate faction of the Republican party sees this, and will undermine any attempt by the Tea Party faction to carry this out. Thus, any attempt at this will fail in the House, as it already has, many times in the past. Like it or not, Obamacare is here to stay.
Obamacare? It's a mixed bag. Having the Federal government dictate our health care is a repugnant idea, but what is the alternative? Emergency rooms? Do you have any idea how much THAT costs the taxpayers? At least, with the individual mandate, the taxpayers will be recovering some of what they lose when people go to the emergency room, and then not pay for the visit.
Here is what I would like to see. What would YOU advocate as a replacement for Obamacare, would it be a better option, and how and why?
I would like to see some serious ideas. "Obamacare is a Leebrul Communist conspiracy" or "Republicans want to get rid of Obamacare because they hate poor people" are NOT valid ideas. They are stupid and moronic troll posts, so don't be a moron or a troll. If you have an idea, I would certainly like to see it. If you have no ideas, but still feel, for a legitimate reason, that Obamacare needs to go, then that is OK, but please explain why, and explain intelligently, and I will have no problem with that.
Bottom line here..... Is health care a right, or is it a privilege to be enjoyed by only those who can pay for it, or who you feel deserve it? If it is a right, then explain why you support it. If it is a privilege, then explain why you don't support it. And, more importantly, if there is a better way than Obamacare to offer health care to the American people, I would certainly like to hear it.
At this time, my lean is against Obamacare, but I have an open mind. Convince me, one way or the other.
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