Get A Damn Job!

[bluesmoke]

The same is being done for those with lower incomes - they get tax breaks and/or subsidies (negative taxation?). Unlike a business, the average worker can’t pass on the costs of additional taxation.



Raising the federal MW does not change the need for paying more skilled (or experienced) labor more, but does encourage automating and/or offshoring jobs which employ lower skilled labor.



After the ‘evil’ Trump tax cuts, the average household income increased. Is that not what you had hoped changing federal (income) tax policy would accomplish?

Those with lower incomes can only qualify for govt assistance if they’re at incomes relative to poverty such that they can’t “profit” from the subsidy. Corps directly profit from govt subsidy and have a multitude of ways to pass on cost than does the avg American, as you pointed out.

You can’t provide any proof that raising the MW will do what you say with any significant impact on employment or the US economy. Without that proof, which is your burden, your claim is unfounded.

Avg hshld income includes those at the highest levels of income and is thus so skewed. Because one of the goals of the tax plan was to increase wages, the real median (hourly) wage would be the best indicator of improvement. Then, you’d have to prove exactly, with evidence, how the Trump/Rep tax plan achieved any significant increase in wages. You can’t.

 

[bluesmoke]

www.bls.gov

Real median household wages are up ~26% since they began tracking it in 1983. Real median wages are up ~11% since the 70's. At the same time the average american has seen their federal income taxes plummet from ~18% to ~2%

Meanwhile, the top 2% pay a larger share than any other cohort when even when compared to income or wealth.

Seriously, stop. You look the fool.

You provided no evidence to support that the avg American can afford to pay more in FIT (“blood from a stone”), my claim being they cannot, hence you get money from where it is, the rich and large corps.

You’ve no evidence that the avg American’s FIT has gone down from 18 to 2% since the 1970s. Beside the fact that doesn’t mean they are capable of paying more in FIT, as if that would make it more fair, considering how much the rich and large corps are paying.

Of course the top 2% pay the most. They make the most. Those in the median and lower ranges of income don’t hardly make enough to pay anymore than they do now. We have what is called a “progressive” tax system where those at the higher income levels pay a higher % FIT.

You failed to provide evidence to support your claim that 61% of hshlds paid 0$ in FIT last year. So, that overstated claim is unfounded and dismissed.

Do you really think those making less income, the “almost 3/4 of the nation on the tit” as so endearingly describe them, should and can pay more FIT because it’s unfair how much the rich and large corps are paying?

You’ve not refuted anything I’ve said. But you’ve made claims you can’t back up.

 

[bave]

You provided no evidence to support that the avg American can afford to pay more in FIT (“blood from a stone”), my claim being they cannot, hence you get money from where it is, the rich and large corps.

Only the fact that every EU country's average family pays vastly more in income taxes, then massively amounts in secondary taxes, compared to the average american family who also has a higher median income. So yea, other than the fact that *EVERY* comparison to global peers says they can, no proof, right?

You’ve no evidence that the avg American’s FIT has gone down from 18 to 2% since the 1970s. Beside the fact that doesn’t mean they are capable of paying more in FIT, as if that would make it more fair, considering how much the rich and large corps are paying.

www.bls.gov
www.irs.gov

All the data is there, sort it however you like, same message.

Of course the top 2% pay the most. They make the most. Those in the median and lower ranges of income don’t hardly make enough to pay anymore than they do now. We have what is called a “progressive” tax system where those at the higher income levels pay a higher % FIT.

We have the *most* progressive system in the world. The top 2% pay vastly more than their fair share by any comparable metric while the median household pays vastly less than their fair share, even before federal transfers. Again, look at the IRS and FRB data.

You failed to provide evidence to support your claim that 61% of hshlds paid 0$ in FIT last year. So, that overstated claim is unfounded and dismissed.

www.irs.gov

They actually made a press release about it that hit pretty much every major financial media outlet.

Do you really think those making less income, the “almost 3/4 of the nation on the tit” as so endearingly describe them, should and can pay more FIT because it’s unfair how much the rich and large corps are paying?

You’ve not refuted anything I’ve said. But you’ve made claims you can’t back up.

I have refuted *everything* you have said. You just can't seemingly comprehened it. Life must be hard for people like you. People are poor for a reason, you are a great example.

 

[bluesmoke]

Only the fact that every EU country's average family pays vastly more in income taxes, then massively amounts in secondary taxes, compared to the average american family who also has a higher median income. So yea, other than the fact that *EVERY* comparison to global peers says they can, no proof, right?




www.bls.gov
www.irs.gov

All the data is there, sort it however you like, same message.



We have the *most* progressive system in the world. The top 2% pay vastly more than their fair share by any comparable metric while the median household pays vastly less than their fair share, even before federal transfers. Again, look at the IRS and FRB data.



www.irs.gov

They actually made a press release about it that hit pretty much every major financial media outlet.



I have refuted *everything* you have said. You just can't seemingly comprehened it. Life must be hard for people like you. People are poor for a reason, you are a great example.

Your EU thing is a diversion. Making a diff claim you cannot support after failing to refute the initial claim in question: ‘You provided no evidence to support that the avg American can afford to pay more in FIT (“blood from a stone”), my claim being they cannot, hence you get money from where it is, the rich and large corps.’, which claim of mine you’ve not refuted.

No. That is not the evidence. That is wherein YOU say is the evidence. But you can’t show that evidence. You might as well say, “Go Google. The evidence is there.” Your claim is unfounded and dismissed for lack of evidence.

Which “major press release” you do not cite as you did not cite the evidence of you 61% claim than just an “it’s out there”. Major claim fail.

If you’ve refuted everything I’ve said, just cite one thing, incl contradicting evidence. BTW, did you purposely misspell “comprehend” as “comprehened” as a pun? Ya gotta see the ironic humor in that.

 

[bave]

Your EU thing is a diversion. Making a diff claim you cannot support after failing to refute the initial claim in question: ‘You provided no evidence to support that the avg American can afford to pay more in FIT (“blood from a stone”), my claim being they cannot, hence you get money from where it is, the rich and large corps.’, which claim of mine you’ve not refuted.

No. That is not the evidence. That is wherein YOU say is the evidence. But you can’t show that evidence. You might as well say, “Go Google. The evidence is there.” Your claim is unfounded and dismissed for lack of evidence.

Which “major press release” you do not cite as you did not cite the evidence of you 61% claim than just an “it’s out there”. Major claim fail.

If you’ve refuted everything I’ve said, just cite one thing, incl contradicting evidence. BTW, did you purposely misspell “comprehend” as “comprehened” as a pun? Ya gotta see the ironic humor in that.

You're a joke. I can't honestly tell if you are being intentionally ignorant or naturally that way.

 

[mrjurrs]

The lefty media's lies never end and they don't even realize how stupid they sound. Here's an article about how Republican Governors cutting off extra federal unemployment benefits aren't really getting these people to go out looking for jobs. BUT these poor people are hurting and can't pay their bills now and are having trouble affording food and other basic living necessities, with just about all employers looking for workers. Well, no duh! Get A Damn Job! The left want to let them keep not working even when jobs are available and pay them enough money to live on.

How GOP governors are hurting their own citizens

Republican governors axing federal jobless benefits have ignored legitimate hardships in their states as millions of displaced workers try to get back on their feet.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Slartibartfast]

Conclusion, people are reassessing the role of work in their lives.

 

[KLATTU]

Why is it that to motivate the rich, righties want to give them more, but to motivate the poor, righties want to take more?

And don't make an argument for trickle-down. Trickle-down is a hoax.

Daily chuckle. Thanks for the laff

 

[bluesmoke]

You're a joke. I can't honestly tell if you are being intentionally ignorant or naturally that way.

Well, if I am ignorant of what is in question, you're refusing to inform me with the evidence to do so. Claim fail. See you on another thread. Learn the debate process in the meantime. The burden of proof is on the claim maker, which requires evidence, w/o which the claim is unfounded. I don't have to prove your claim false because a claim made w/o evidence can be dismissed w/o evidence.

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

The lefty media's lies never end and they don't even realize how stupid they sound. Here's an article about how Republican Governors cutting off extra federal unemployment benefits aren't really getting these people to go out looking for jobs. BUT these poor people are hurting and can't pay their bills now and are having trouble affording food and other basic living necessities, with just about all employers looking for workers. Well, no duh! Get A Damn Job! The left want to let them keep not working even when jobs are available and pay them enough money to live on.

How GOP governors are hurting their own citizens

Republican governors axing federal jobless benefits have ignored legitimate hardships in their states as millions of displaced workers try to get back on their feet.

www.yahoo.com

blah blah blha, you people have no crediibilty. Just childish liberals are poopyheads and projections.

you people worship the greedy scum taking multi million dollar salaries while workers are living in poverty, no crying about them> no, but shit on the workers adn then pretend to care. You people are all the same, unoriginal, same moronic hate, have no ideas and no empathy

Why is it that to motivate the rich, righties want to give them more, but to motivate the poor, righties want to take more?

And don't make an argument for trickle-down. Trickle-down is a hoax.

Because like everything, they are full of shit. They have no original thoughts, they just eat up the moronic lies from Fox and regurgitate it. Liberals are the cause of all problems (ironic come from the so called "party of personal responsibility" just another slogan in a long line of absolute BS that comes from the right

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

All this shows is what pitiful pay so many people are getting for their work. What is so wrong with paying people a living wage? Why, exactly, are conservative against paying people a living wage? What, don't be a lazy *****-cat and go get a 2nd job? What is your problem?

Because with Reagan the country went to Greed is Good and it started the insane greed, wealth disparities, executive pay, paying unlivable wages. And conservatives have no empathy. If it is not a problem for them or someone they know, its not a real issue. And then defend the CEOs making multi million dollar salaries while their underpaid worker is getting food stamps. And they defend it because they are propogandized by the wealthy to defend them. It's madness. There is no defense to the wealth disparity in this country

Define a “living wage”.

What is so right about paying someone more in UI benefits than they got while working?

See post #15.

The same old dumb deflecting question. Define living wage. Enough to have a house, food on table, and being able to put something aside for retirement. Half the country live paycheck to paycheck, have no retirement or savings. What the hell is going to happen when all those get too old to work and have no retirement? it's going to be catastrophic.

A salary like the earlier generation had, where a full time job allowed a house,f amily, and enough to retire on. Tehre is no need for billionaires, none at all, its just hoarding wealth and disgusting.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Hmmm... another yahoo article within 20 minutes. I do have to wonder what yahoo is paying these days.

Anyways what are all these magical jobs that are available, pay you enough money to live on, and don't have to deal with the shitty public?

Are there any other things that needs to considered before someone goes out of their way to work? I mean, seriously. We can't expect people to earn money by having to put up with the public or pay them enough so they can buy only organic food, drive nice electric cars, $1200 phones and huge smart TVs in a home that's completely voice controlled. Gee wiz. Those are just basic life needs, right?

SMH.

 

[americanwoman]

Are there any other things that needs to considered before someone goes out of their way to work? I mean, seriously. We can't expect people to earn money by having to put up with the public or pay them enough so they can buy only organic food, drive nice electric cars, $1200 phones and huge smart TVs in a home that's completely voice controlled. Gee wiz. Those are just basic life needs, right?

SMH.

You go get $8.00 an hour to have a milkshake thrown in your face because it was too cold or some other BS.

I like to how you get all dramatic over "basic needs".

SMH indeed.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

You go get $8.00 an hour to have a milkshake thrown in your face because it was too cold.

SMH.

If I'm stuck in a fastfood joint at 50 yrs old, who the F is to blame?
Since I was 18yrs old, it was my responsibility to improve my financial abilities. Not the governments. Not my parents. Not society. But mine.

BTW, name one instance where someone threw a milkshake at ANY clerk because it was too cold. If you're going to make a point, do it without lying. Because if you have to lie to make a point, you really don't have a point, do you?

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Somehow it worked in the 60s. My dad worked a minimum wage job, full time, and could afford rent without room mates, food, transportation, and even the occasional bit of entertainment.

Why were we able to do this then, but not now?

We can, but we worship greed, adn the uber rich control media, control the politicians, and propagandize people to argue on their behalf. Not a peep about the rich, greedy scumbag corporatiosn taking all profit. no, lets defend them and whien about the worker working his ass off for shit pay, then whine about all the crime and violences. What do you expect from people who are beat down and stuck in poverty no matter how much they work. THe right are truly despicable people

Jobs that pay enough to live on are getting filled, dude. There was an ice cream shop that upped its pay to $15/hour and got literally hundreds of applications. An ice cream shop!

You want people to get a job and also want that job to not pay them enough to feed themselves. Why? What makes you think you deserve that product or service if you're not willing to pay for it?

That's the most idiotic thing about their dumb talking point. You need people to serve you food, make your drinks, clean things. Period. teyy like to say "oh, go get a better job", again, there aren't a ton. And even if there were, who is going to serve your food? Those people should not be on food stamps working full time. Period. your business sucks if you can't afford to pay your employees.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

We can, but we worship greed, adn the uber rich control media, control the politicians, and propagandize people to argue on their behalf. Not a peep about the rich, greedy scumbag corporatiosn taking all profit. no, lets defend them and whien about the worker working his ass off for shit pay, then whine about all the crime and violences. What do you expect from people who are beat down and stuck in poverty no matter how much they work. THe right are truly despicable people

Greedy corporations? As in big pharma and their vaccine?

Since when did the left support big pharma so much?

 

[Lloyd Christmas]

Greedy corporations? As in big pharma and their vaccine?

Since when did the left support big pharma so much?

the dumb shit you people spew is unreal. This is about as dumb of a deflection as there can be. Your trolling sucks man, seriously, how ****ing lame. yes, pharma companeis are greedy as well, but WTF does this have to do with anything? Nothing, because like all right wingers, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ARGUMENT

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Conclusion, people are reassessing the role of work in their lives.

This is a product of the participation trophy winners. Those who were told they can be anything they want to be, without it being explained to them how hard they'd have to work to achieve their goals and dreams.
Everything handed to them growing up, suddenly stops being handed to them. So they try to work and it just doesn't bring the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Because their parents worked their butts off to get what they had and give their kids better.

In short, you can't work a mediocre job and expect more than a mediocre lifestyle. That's not how this works. If you're a blue collar factory employee or a fast food employee, you can't expect to have your bosses lifestyle.
And yes, it is "fair." And no you don't get a "cost of living (the way you want to live)" salary.

 

[americanwoman]

If I'm stuck in a fastfood joint at 50 yrs old, who the F is to blame?
Since I was 18yrs old, it was my responsibility to improve my financial abilities. Not the governments. Not my parents. Not society. But mine.

BTW, name one instance where someone threw a milkshake at ANY clerk because it was too cold. If you're going to make a point, do it without lying. Because if you have to lie to make a point, you really don't have a point, do you?

I don't care if you are 50 or 18, if you are working somewhere you deserve a livable wage and the people to back you up not to be treated badly. Nobody is to "blame" for working at any job at any age, except I guess you who would blame someone and probably make them feel like shit for trying to earn a buck without even knowing their circumstances. If you don't understand why Americans want such benefits and are not taking those kind of jobs then so be it. You obviously don't want this country to be "great".

If you don't think clerks get treated like shit over stupid things, then so be it - I can't video tape every stupid thing I see and you can definitely look up enough instances to understand that.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

the dumb shit you people spew is unreal. This is about as dumb of a deflection as there can be. Your trolling sucks man, seriously, how ****ing lame. yes, pharma companeis are greedy as well, but WTF does this have to do with anything? Nothing, because like all right wingers, YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ARGUMENT

Get vaccinated, you people scream. As if it's not going to triple the profits of big pharma for a vaccine that's not been test for long term.
Remember how they lied about opioid addiction? Remember how they got the FDA to allow that false label?
Why would they be any different now. Especially with profits tripling what they made off of opioids?

It's all the same thing. You can't be texting from an Iphone about how greedy Apple is. You can't drive around in your foreign electric car and complain about jobs leaving the country.

 

[Slartibartfast]

This is a product of the participation trophy winners. Those who were told they can be anything they want to be, without it being explained to them how hard they'd have to work to achieve their goals and dreams.
Everything handed to them growing up, suddenly stops being handed to them. So they try to work and it just doesn't bring the lifestyle they are accustomed to. Because their parents worked their butts off to get what they had and give their kids better.

In short, you can't work a mediocre job and expect more than a mediocre lifestyle. That's not how this works. If you're a blue collar factory employee or a fast food employee, you can't expect to have your bosses lifestyle.
And yes, it is "fair." And no you don't get a "cost of living (the way you want to live)" salary.

Right now its a bit of an employee's market.

 

[JohnnyDollar]

I don't care if you are 50 or 18, if you are working somewhere you deserve a livable wage and the people to back you up not to be treated badly. Nobody is to "blame" for working at any job at any age, except I guess you who would blame someone and probably make them feel like shit for trying to earn a buck without even knowing their circumstances. If you don't understand why Americans want such benefits and are not taking those kind of jobs then so be it. You obviously don't want this country to be "great".

If you don't think clerks get treated like shit over stupid things, then so be it - I can't video tape every stupid thing I see and you can definitely look up enough instances to understand that.

Ok, so this has nothing to do with having a milkshake being thrown at a clerk because it was too cold. Does it?

But thanks for posting the video. My guess is, by the way she's dressed and what she's complaining about, she got a lot of participation trophy's growing up. Was put in "time out." And was always taught that she could be anything she wants to be in life. And have everything she wants to have in life, without having to think or put for the effort to get those things.

Left wing millennials and Gen Z's at their finest.

"I want my ice cream. Whaaaaaaa Whaaaaaaaaaa"

 

[JohnnyDollar]

Right now its a bit of an employee's market.

Once the free money dries up, they'll go back to work.

 

[Slartibartfast]

Once the free money dries up, they'll go back to work.

This is more due to dislocation creating opportunities than "free money"

 

[ClaraD]

Wait…so are you conceding that the expanded UE benefits isn’t what was causing some folks not to seek out employment during and in the immediate aftermath of the pandemic? Isn’t that what the non-Trumpists were arguing all along?

Trumpists would like to force people to take any available job, even if they have decided to be a one income household...they would force mom to work at McDonalds or Burger King while the husband is also working and then pay for day care.....they want to ala communism dictate what people do with their lives...because they are worried about their poor downtrodden billionaires.