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I think at a minimum, an apology.BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row
I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.
What should be Germany's next step?
What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row
I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.
What should be Germany's next step?
What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper. They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.
The Americans should publish the treaty and demonstrate the extent of German cooperation with American agencies and explain that it is a German legal problem and that the Americans were only doing things that the German government had allowed and often participated in.
BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row
I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.
What should be Germany's next step?
What should the US reaction to this expulsion be? An apology? Or reprisal?
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
I don't believe any such treaty exists. You got a source?German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper.
Germany has been and is an excellent friend and reliable partner, just not a lap-dog, like the UK. You can have disagreements with friends and partners while respecting their national integrity. Not a difficult concept.They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.
Can you back this up with any evidence of the Germans allowing this?The Americans should publish the treaty and demonstrate the extent of German cooperation with American agencies and explain that it is a German legal problem and that the Americans were only doing things that the German government had allowed and often participated in.
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
Expel Angela Merkel for being such a naive dummy.BBC News - Germany expels CIA official in US spy row
I'm guessing that US-German relations aren't in such a good state at the moment. The idea that spying on your friends is just business as usual came as a surprise to Angela Merkel.
What should be Germany's next step?
Perhaps you can show us where did the Germans agree for the US to spy on thier government on their soil.German politicians should explain some facts of life. After all, the US did not sign the treaty allowing American agencies to spy in Germany alone. Both signatures are on the paper.
Can you offer some of the examples you are referring to?They should also point out how odd it is for Germans to think of themselves as "friends" or even "reliable partners" after the things they have done. You can't trust someone whose behavior patterns have caused you so much harm and been so unpredictable.
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
That's...interesting. So do you propose that every living ex-President come forward and publicly apologize to every friend and ally we've spied on?
(1) Perhaps you can show us where did the Germans agree for the US to spy on thier government on their soil.
(2) Can you offer some of the examples you are referring to?
I don't believe any such treaty exists. You got a source?
Germany has been and is an excellent friend and reliable partner, just not a lap-dog, like the UK. You can have disagreements with friends and partners while respecting their national integrity. Not a difficult concept.
Can you back this up with any evidence of the Germans allowing this?
So they Germans signed a treaty that allowed the US to implant a double agent into their inner circle? REALLY?
Actually Obama has done a pretty good job of apologizing for all of them.
I don't believe any such treaty exists. You got a source?
Germany has been and is an excellent friend and reliable partner, just not a lap-dog, like the UK. You can have disagreements with friends and partners while respecting their national integrity. Not a difficult concept.
Can you back this up with any evidence of the Germans allowing this?
Perhaps you can show us where did the Germans agree for the US to spy on thier government on their soil.
Can you offer some of the examples you are referring to?
So they Germans signed a treaty that allowed the US to implant a double agent into their inner circle? REALLY?
No. That is not what I said, though, the way you respond is typical. But read the interview in Die Zeit. That should allow you to find more in the internet.
The issue is that they found a double agent in their spy agency/military and you bring in something about treaties and the Germans being hypocrites.. so I ask again, what does an intelligence sharing treaty have to do with the Americans planting a spy in the German government?
If a government allows spying and does not make precise, where it is not allowed, then that party to the contract did a lousy job. That is not atypical for European treaties and contracts as anyone who knows the Maastricht/Lisbon mess knows. From what I understand, however, the contract has a do what it takes clause and that takes any legal argument from the table. IT also makes the populist way the thing it being worked by German media and politicians rather irresponsible. This is especially the case, where the BND was making data accessible for mining, helping NSA and using the intelligence it itself was forbidden to generate after receiving it from NSA.
Having said that, it would be irresponsible of the Americans not to spy on such a dangerous loos cannon as Germany has been.
So you are telling me that because of a cold war treaty, during a time when West Germany jumped when the US/UK said it should.. then in 2014 the US has a right and blessing by the German government to spy on the German government and implant spies regardless of the fact that the agreement was to prevent East German/Russian spies from infiltrating the fragile German democracy?
Is that really your excuse and the excuse of all the US apologists when defending their illegalities in other countries? Seriously?
I think at a minimum, an apology.
It will not come, because that would be an admission they did something wrong,
and I think that is beyond the capability of this administration.
If a government allows spying and does not make precise, where it is not allowed, then that party to the contract did a lousy job. That is not atypical for European treaties and contracts as anyone who knows the Maastricht/Lisbon mess knows. From what I understand, however, the contract has a do what it takes clause and that takes any legal argument from the table. IT also makes the populist way the thing it being worked by German media and politicians rather irresponsible. This is especially the case, where the BND was making data accessible for mining, helping NSA and using the intelligence it itself was forbidden to generate after receiving it from NSA.
Having said that, it would be irresponsible of the Americans not to spy on such a dangerous loos cannon as Germany has been.
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