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German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end? [W:539]

Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

I can not quote as I am on a phone but here is a link from the WSJ. In it it shows the KLA had Afghani Arabs in its ranks, the KLA received weapons and training from the US and Iran.

The US has a long history of supporting terror groups when it furthers its goals, while at the same time trying to contain them


Al Qaeda's Balkan Links - WSJ


I said Osama was giving money to Muslims in Kosovo. He was giving money to Muslims all over the world,


America wasn't involved in Osama giving money to Muslims in Kosovo.


You're link doesn't say America was involved.


Foreigners like to blame America for everything. Some things we didn't do.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

I said Osama was giving money to Muslims in Kosovo. He was giving money to Muslims all over the world,


America wasn't involved in Osama giving money to Muslims in Kosovo.


You're link doesn't say America was involved.


Foreigners like to blame America for everything. Some things we didn't do.


The US was involved with the KLA which had Afghani Arabs ( ie AQ). Osama sent men, money and weapons to the KLA, the US sent weapons and training to the KLA.!The weapons would have been used by Afghani Arabs(ie AQ)

So your statement the US had nothing to do with the KLA is false. The WSJ a rather pro US publication states the US was involved with the KLA. More honest sources state the US assisted Afghani Arabs in getting to Kosovo and in less legal weapon transfers. See the Contras for that SOP for that.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

Well when we see the current events regarding the pipeline, some think when Trump is voted out or dead, german american relations would get better.

Analysts say thats not the case, since Trump is only a symptom. USA is a dieing worldpower, its global influence is shrinking more and more and its ability to influence others is also shrinking. What we see is the hysteric actions of a former super power that notices its negative trend.

Trying to dictate a ally energy politics? Unthinkable under a president Reagan.

I believe things will get much worse, its obvious that Germany could never agree to stoo Nordstream 2, allowing a foreign power to force sovereign and democratic decissions made from the german electorate would be a gargantuan faceloss and basicly make Germany a vasall. We would not be free anymore, not be democratic anymore. It would open the door to more and more opression, since bowing to blackmail always leads to more blackmail.

But its also obvious that USA will act more and more hostile and i think would even do terror attacks to achieve its goals.

It will be interesting to see what will happen.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

Where I'm no friend of the pipeline at all, it's pretty clear that the current US administration is massively shooting itself in the foot with its bullying attempts.

Where, in the past, the Russo-German deal was met with sentiments in the EU that ranged from skepticism to heavy opposition, the current US administration has now managed to get all the internal EU critics to close ranks against the US.

On the principle of "if we allow them to get away with it against Germany this week, they'll be doing it to us next week."

Another magnificent diplomatic failure on Washington's behalf in the list of all the many others.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

America met Osama Bin Laden during the Reagan presidency. Osama was killing Russians in Afghanistan. We were handing out money to people who were killing Russians back then, it was the Cold War, and it's said that Osama got some of this money.

Russia did the same to us in Vietnam and Korea.

Except we weren't giving out money to the foreign Arab fighters in Afghanistan. They were seen as a bit of a joke by the Afghans.

We were supplying the Mujahideen.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

Well when we see the current events regarding the pipeline, some think when Trump is voted out or dead, german american relations would get better.

Analysts say thats not the case, since Trump is only a symptom. USA is a dieing worldpower, its global influence is shrinking more and more and its ability to influence others is also shrinking. What we see is the hysteric actions of a former super power that notices its negative trend.

Trying to dictate a ally energy politics? Unthinkable under a president Reagan.

I believe things will get much worse, its obvious that Germany could never agree to stoo Nordstream 2, allowing a foreign power to force sovereign and democratic decissions made from the german electorate would be a gargantuan faceloss and basicly make Germany a vasall. We would not be free anymore, not be democratic anymore. It would open the door to more and more opression, since bowing to blackmail always leads to more blackmail.

But its also obvious that USA will act more and more hostile and i think would even do terror attacks to achieve its goals.

It will be interesting to see what will happen.
There is little danger of the European Union being pressured by the United States to do what is against our interests. It will be easier now that the English have gone as they were always America's unquestioning lapdog in Europe.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

I expect the US worked with Osama in Kosovo as well. Afghani Arabs were fighting there along with the KLA

The "Afghani Arabs" were simply Arabs looking for a place to martyr themselves.

Have Jihad, will travel.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

The "Afghani Arabs" were simply Arabs looking for a place to martyr themselves.

Have Jihad, will travel.

They travelled across the world to do so. Fought in many local wars, had assistance from many different countries in the process
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

The US was involved with the KLA which had Afghani Arabs ( ie AQ). Osama sent men, money and weapons to the KLA, the US sent weapons and training to the KLA.!The weapons would have been used by Afghani Arabs(ie AQ)

So your statement the US had nothing to do with the KLA is false. The WSJ a rather pro US publication states the US was involved with the KLA. More honest sources state the US assisted Afghani Arabs in getting to Kosovo and in less legal weapon transfers. See the Contras for that SOP for that.

Ah, the US supplies one entity. Another entity is supplied by OBL.

The two entities fight a common enemy.

Therefore the US supplied both entities....

Right.

No.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

They travelled across the world to do so. Fought in many local wars, had assistance from many different countries in the process

Yes.

Some of the 9/11 hijackers fought in Bosnia, Chechnya, with the Taliban, etc.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

Ah, the US supplies one entity. Another entity is supplied by OBL.

The two entities fight a common enemy.

Therefore the US supplied both entities....

Right.

No.

The US supplies one side who gives the weapons to the other group. Plausible deniability for a legal aspect but in reality it would have been known and understood that was going to occur.

Same thing occurred in Syria
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

The US supplies one side who gives the weapons to the other group. Plausible deniability for a legal aspect but in reality it would have been known and understood that was going to occur.

Same thing occurred in Syria

If I provide you with something and you decide to give it to Biff that doesn't mean I provided the something to Biff.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

If I provide you with something and you decide to give it to Biff that doesn't mean I provided the something to Biff.

If I gave something you knowing you were very likely going to give it to Biff, then yes I would have given something to Biff just indirectly.

Ie plausible deniability. Standard practice in most of those types of activities. After all a country can’t be seen as giving weapons to terrorists. It is not the fault of the country is they fell out the back of the truck during transport
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

There is little danger of the European Union being pressured by the United States to do what is against our interests. It will be easier now that the English have gone as they were always America's unquestioning lapdog in Europe.

That doesnt mean that things wont get ugly. We see a more and more erratic USA and the situation with them gets more and more dangerous.

As i said, i would not wonder when they start using terrorism to try to achieve their goals.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

May I point out, Madalene Albright told Saddam, as the UK annexed Kuwait from Iraq some sixty years prior, and Kuwait and American oil companies refused to stop drilling sideways into Iraqs oil fields, he should talk the lands back!

OSAMA BIN LADEN Was A BUSH PARTNER - YouTube

Who runs your judiciary?
Who runs the Fed?
Who picks and sponsors your politicians?

It's not me, who should be screaming, as you put it!

Ignorance is bliss.... it's your country, you deserve to be abuse if you can't look after it!

Who cares? The people of Kuwait emphatically did not want to be part of Iraq, and that trumps whining over supposed colonial border slights any day. Or does “National sovereignty” only apply when the regime in question is anti American?

:roll:

YouTube videos mean nothing. I can find a YouTube video which claims dragons exist.

Oh look, more deluded, hysterical screaming about “the Jews”. Yawn. I hate to break it to you, but the answer to all of your questions is “not whatever cabal you’ve made up in your head to justify your pathological hatred”.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

Who cares? The people of Kuwait emphatically did not want to be part of Iraq, and that trumps whining over supposed colonial border slights any day. Or does “National sovereignty” only apply when the regime in question is anti American?

:roll:

YouTube videos mean nothing. I can find a YouTube video which claims dragons exist.

Oh look, more deluded, hysterical screaming about “the Jews”. Yawn. I hate to break it to you, but the answer to all of your questions is “not whatever cabal you’ve made up in your head to justify your pathological hatred”.

Goodness me, who cares, well not me, I'm not here to drag you up from sewer you seem to want to live.

Honestly, your life can be a far higher standard of live for you, and your family, but first you should want to get off your knees!
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

. Putin and Russia are looking for partners in fair trade. Not war.
Apart from kicking NATO TROOPS out of Georgia, what country has Russia invaded since WW2. Would you like to know how many countries America has invaded and butchered? Do you realise how many innocent people have died because of America's illegal invasions of countries who didn't invite there military into their sovereign territory.
How many nations are covered by American sanctions. Who is stealing Syrian oil, Iraqs oil? Who is arming terrorists? Who us training terrorists? Putin and Russia are no threat to anyone.

Fact is only a fool would think that Putin won't use every single lever of power and influence he can get his hands on to achieve his own nationalist goals. no matter the initial good intentions. Last time Germany and Russia made a deal, it blew up in their faces with germany breaking it. Wouldn't put it past Putin to want to punish germany for that historic treachery.

Putin is no ignorant bumpkin like trump. He's KGB all the way.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

America met Osama Bin Laden during the Reagan presidency. Osama was killing Russians in Afghanistan. We were handing out money to people who were killing Russians back then, it was the Cold War, and it's said that Osama got some of this money.

Russia did the same to us in Vietnam and Korea.
Gross incompetence and murdering North Koreans by the hundreds of thousands might of created a problem! Imaging one single gun between ten people and they ran forward at American lines picking up the guns from there comrades who had already fallen, and you lost! Russia had no input. Aye your all heroes... if you listen to Hollywood! The truth, is something totally different!
As for Vietnam, attacked by American forces based on the usual American lies, the bay of Tonkin, and murderering fellow Americans! Just like USS Liberty.
And you also attacked Laos... gassing, raping murdering, torturing imprisoning without trial....and before you say it was war.... what the hell right did your politicians the right to invade a sovereign nation, or interfering in a civil war?
And I just love the manner in which you abdicate your responsibility to you're constitution, as well as having no back bone... protect ones country from enemies foreign and internal! Go blow smoke up .....!

And idiots are talking about taking on Russia and China!
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

The US was involved with the KLA which had Afghani Arabs ( ie AQ). Osama sent men, money and weapons to the KLA, the US sent weapons and training to the KLA.!The weapons would have been used by Afghani Arabs(ie AQ)

So your statement the US had nothing to do with the KLA is false. The WSJ a rather pro US publication states the US was involved with the KLA. More honest sources state the US assisted Afghani Arabs in getting to Kosovo and in less legal weapon transfers. See the Contras for that SOP for that.



And yet you provide no proof.


A lot of foreigners have an irrational hatred of America. I just chalk your comments up to this.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

The "Afghani Arabs" were simply Arabs looking for a place to martyr themselves.

Have Jihad, will travel.

yeah "afthani arabs". way less than 4% of afghanis are arabs. And most of the mujahadeen were afghanis. But they're all the same, no?...oh!
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

And yet you provide no proof.


A lot of foreigners have an irrational hatred of America. I just chalk your comments up to this.



The covert operation contributed to the military coup that toppled elected president Abulfaz Elchibey that year, and installed US puppet Heidar Aliyev. A secret Turkish intelligence report leaked to the Sunday Times confirmed that ‘two petrol giants, BP and Amoco, British and American respectively, which together form the AIOC (Azerbaijan International Oil Consortium), are behind the coup d’état.15

From 1992 to 1995, the Pentagon flew thousands of al-Qaeda mujahidin from Central Asia into Europe, to fight alongside Bosnian Muslims against the Serbs. The mujahidin were ‘accompanied by US Special Forces equipped with high-tech communications equipment,’ according to intelligence sources. Bin Laden’s mercenaries were used as shock troops by the Pentagon ‘to coordinate and support Bosnian Muslim offensives’.16

The pattern continued in Kosovo, where ethnic violence broke out between Albanians and Serbs. In 1998, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) was listed by the State Department as a terrorist organization financed by bin Laden and the heroin trade. Bin Laden had sent a senior lieutenant, Muhammed al-Zawahiri (brother of al-Qaeda deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri), to lead an élite KLA unit during the Kosovo conflict. He had direct radio contact with NATO leadership. Indeed, British SAS and American Delta Force instructors were training KLA fighters as early as 1996. The CIA supplied military assistance up to and during the 1999 bombing campaign, including military training manuals and field advice, under the cover of OSCE (Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe) ceasefire monitors.17

Our terrorists | New Internationalist

Charges of Drugs, Islamic Terror -- and a Note on Sources

No observer doubts that the large majority of fighters that have flocked to the KLA during the past year or so (since it began large-scale military operations) are ordinary Kosovo Albanians who desire what they see as the liberation of their homeland from foreign rule. But that fact -- which amounts to a claim of innocence by association -- does not fully explain the KLA's uncertain origins, political program, sources of funding, or political alliances.

Among the most troubling aspects of the Clinton Administration's effective alliance with the KLA are numerous reports from reputable unofficial sources -- including the highly respected Jane's publications -- that the KLA is closely involved with:

The extensive Albanian crime network that extends throughout Europe and into North America, including allegations that a major portion of the KLA finances are derived from that network, mainly proceeds from drug trafficking; and
Terrorist organizations motivated by the ideology of radical Islam, including assets of Iran and of the notorious Osama bin-Ladin -- who has vowed a global terrorist war against Americans and American
interests.
The final two sections of this paper give samples of these reports. (Many of these reports are available in full at BIZ NETWORKS - Home, the website of an independent think tank called the Strategic Issues Research Institute of the United States, under "Background Issues".) In presenting samples of such reports for the consideration of Republican Senators and staff, RPC does not claim that these reports constitute conclusive evidence of the KLA's drug or terror ties. Nor are these reports necessarily conclusive as to the policy advisability of the Clinton Administration's support for that organization. They do, however, raise serious questions about the context in which decisions regarding American policy in the Balkans are being made by the Clinton Administration.

All of these sources are unclassified and unconnected to official agencies of the U.S. government, although some quote sources in intelligence agencies. Possible objections could be raised that the relevant U.S. government agencies may not have made available similar reports concerning the KLA. W

U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee

The US ties to the KLA was well known in the 1990's
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

If I provide you with something and you decide to give it to Biff that doesn't mean I provided the something to Biff.

I was wondering when someone would mention the Bosnian Islamic Freedom Fighters.
 
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"Once upon a time, the CIA trained, financed and supported Osama bin Laden and his mujahidin networks in Afghanistan"

Now the Mujahedin are Osama's? Really?

Not just no. But hell ****ing no.

When a writer concocts such a lie the remainder can be ignored.
 
Re: German - American relations at breaking point because Nordstream II - How will this end?

If I gave something you knowing you were very likely going to give it to Biff, then yes I would have given something to Biff just indirectly.

Ie plausible deniability. Standard practice in most of those types of activities. After all a country can’t be seen as giving weapons to terrorists. It is not the fault of the country is they fell out the back of the truck during transport

Prove knowledge.

You sound like those who claimed the US was arming and supporting ISIS.
 
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