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Geraldo and O'Reilly both just went balistic on the factor.

There are over 11M illegals in the country. Why this guy and not another?

It has nothing to do with "why this guy and not another". Point is he was illegal. He should have never been here in the first place.

Do you think that if he didn't have killed those two young girls, you would have seen those two idiots shouting at each other, (although O'reilly was the one who seem totally hysterical) live on TV?

If there is one thing I give FOX credit for is their stance on illegal immigration. They're against it. So am I.
 
There are over 11M illegals in the country. Why this guy and not another? Do you think that if he didn't have killed those two young girls, you would have seen those two idiots shouting at each other, (although O'reilly was the one who seem totally hysterical) live on TV?

It's him because he killed two little girls. If he hadn't there would be no reason for them to yell at each other.
 
Umm how has an honest disagreement between two solidly right talking heads, taken to an extreme, turned into a left V. right issue? I posted this for laugh value and yet . . . well there you have it. Aside from Hatuay, you all are no better than the two on the video.

......."how has an honest disagreement between two solidly right talking heads, taken to an extreme, turned into a left V. right issue?"..........

An honest disagreement?! O'reilly use an accident where two girls died and made it a propaganda tool to spew his garbage. Who's the one who has politicized the subject?


......."I posted this for laugh value "........

I think we just need few lynchings to complete the circle and add laughing value to this very funny subject.
 
It has nothing to do with "why this guy and not another". Point is he was illegal. He should have never been here in the first place.



If there is one thing I give FOX credit for is their stance on illegal immigration. They're against it. So am I.


.........."It has nothing to do with "why this guy and not another". Point is he was illegal."............

No the point is that you would never have heard about that illegal is if wasn't involved in that accident and killed 2 people. Illegals have been in the US for decades, this is not a new situation, isn't it? Again, why him and not one of the other 11M plus illegals? More importantly why did the 2 girls died

a) Because he was illegal
b) Because he was drunk and driving
 
It's him because he killed two little girls. If he hadn't there would be no reason for them to yell at each other.

..........."It's him because he killed two little girls."..................

Thank you to reinforce my argument. It seems that you are in complete agreement with what I wrote.
 
No the point is that you would never have heard about that illegal is if wasn't involved in that accident and killed 2 people. Illegals have been in the US for decades, this is not a new situation, isn't it? Again, why him and not one of the other 11M plus illegals? More importantly why did the 2 girls died

a) Because he was illegal
b) Because he was drunk and driving

My son. If only you had informed yourself on this issue. This man had had 2 DUIs before. Obviously he was known to police and they knew he was an illegal alien. Under U.S. law he should have been deported and yet he was allowed to remain in this country.

Fox 43 TV - Loved ones remember teens killed in crash
 
Hmmmm....really there can be no debate on whether the fellow should have been deported the first time. The thing is...how could anyone argue against that? Its a given.

Why is O'Reilly so concerned about that? Surely Geraldo's position is not that he shouldnt be deported?
 
I think they were both right. Had the illegal been deported, this accident couldn't have happened. Perhaps another drunk driving accident might have taken it's place somewhere else by a car load of middle class America teens instead, but that particular set of circumstances could have been avoided.
If the tragedy was caused by an average, everyday citizen, it would have been just as tragic but I doubt you would have heard about it on O'Reilly.

The tragedy here should have focused on lax drunk driving laws. O'Reilly played the incident to pander to his viewers and spinned it into an immigration issue and totally sidestepped the issue of drunk driving.

Still, the issue of "sanctuary cities" needs to be addressed. I applaud O'Reilly for taking this issue on. But it was a rather cheap political shot, as Geraldo said, to spin this drunk driving tragedy into an immigration issue. The immigration issue should have been another talk show. O'Reilly certainly crapped on the graves of those killed in this incident by politicizing it for his ratings.

To not cooperate with federal laws, by establishing 'sanctuary cities" is going against federal law and in my opinion the Chief-of-Police and mayor of that town should be brought up on felony charges for doing so, if at all possible. The city should also lose all federal funding.

Further, if any of you guys don't think that the O'Reilly and Geraldo escapade wasn't pre-planned and pre-rehearsed, then you must also believe that WWF wrestling on TV is also real. O'Reilly has to do something to keep his ratings up with Rosie's. :rofl
 
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O'Reilly has to do something to keep his ratings up with Rosie's.

I think O'Reilly is more worried about Keith Olberman...a much better, and more entertaining show.

I never watch O'Reilly anymore...too pompous and arrogant.
 
Deportation is not like a traffic ticket. The process is carried out in immigration court by a qualified immigration judge. How the hell to you expect a person to be deported if the local authorities don't inform the INS? He should have been reported to INS after the second infraction for DUI. The deaths of these two victims also lies in part with the failure of local law enforcement to do their job.
 
When O'Reilly started screaming, "You're an Anarchist! You're an Anarchist!" I couldn't help from thinking about a few of some of our esteemed <cough> collegues here at DP. It was too cute. :rofl

It's been a long time since O'Reilly had to shout that loud at some who disagrees with him. I suppose Rush and Hannity are going to have to do something now.

Imus was on the news this morning for calling the players on Rutgers University women's basketball team "nappy headed hos."

Imus Under Fire After On-Air Racial Slur

Considering how we all gather our political information, it's no wonder we are the well-learned genious's we are. :roll:
 
O'Reilly must have been itching to cut off Geraldo's mike but since GR is also a horse in Murdoch's stable O'Reilly was strapped that time. They are both a couple of buffoons but hey ..cable news is just entertainment and entertained we were.
 
Did anyone else just see that? They were both yelling at eachother at the top of their longs it was ****ing hilarious.

I'm with Geraldo on this one. Illegality of his presence has nothing to do with his drunkenness. Sure, he should have been deported long before this incident occurred, but that's a separate issue. Being here illegaly did not make anyone die.
 
Here is an example of what happens very often. In 1991 I was the interpreter interrogator on an INS raid on a house in a suburb of Chicago. We had immigration warrants for 5 Central Americans. When we showed up on the scene someone had called the local police. They claimed warrants for the same people and that was to take precedence over our immigration law violation warrant. They said we could have them when they were through with them. The local police arrested them let them out on bail. Needless to say we never saw the illegals again and neither did the local law enforce mt agency. This happens all the time. Often it just competition with the federal agency and sometimes it gets down right nasty. As long as this continues we are going to have the same problems. Don't always blame INS local law enforcement also has to take some of the blame. This is just one example of literally thousands. Local law enforcement sometimes impedes raids on businesses employing illegals. The situation is getting better but it is a long way from ·good".
 
It happens all the time though. Im not aware of any other stations where those being "interviewed" are constantly shouted down. Its a shame really cause its otherwise a good programe.

Translation: Not only did Red Dave not watch Geraldo Rivera constantly shout O'Reilly down, but Red Dave also apparently never watches the show.

Whether it be banning conservative books, shouting down, assaulting conservative speakers, kicking people out of your party for only agreeing with you 90% of the time, or trying to illegalize conservative speech on the radio, it is liberals who have zero tolerance for dissent.
 
Nothing new for O'reily...the only thing different is that someone shouted back at him and didn't back down. O'reily's face was pretty comical tho.

I actually agree with both of them. In one sense it's an illegal issue b/c these girls would still be alive had he been deported, the other hand lets not overlook that we have huge drinking and driving problem right here in the US. This case is not the time to debate illegals...it takes away from the girls who lost their lives, to a *drunk* driver.
 
My son. If only you had informed yourself on this issue. This man had had 2 DUIs before. Obviously he was known to police and they knew he was an illegal alien. Under U.S. law he should have been deported and yet he was allowed to remain in this country.

Fox 43 TV - Loved ones remember teens killed in crash

Hatuey........."My son. If only you had informed yourself on this issue. ".........

What a pompous and as much arrogant as uninformed you are. Why don't you read and get informed for a change "My son". You sound just just like your master O'reilly, a bully who thinks he knows everything about anything. Hey I hope you went to mass today to wash your sins........................."My son" :)

A Message from Chief Jacocks Regarding the Recent Drunk Driving Related Fatalities Involving an Undocumented Alien



First, I want to extend my personal sympathy to the Tranchant and Kunhardt families for the devastating tragedy that has and will continue to affect them. They remain in our thoughts and prayers.



I find it ironic that, had the intoxicated driver been born and raised in Virginia Beach, little notice would have been given to this senseless tragedy by either the media or the community at large.



We average approximately 9 alcohol related fatalities in the City each year, and the national death toll from drinking and driving in 2005 was 16,885.



The General Assembly has provided us with some of the toughest drunk/impaired driving laws and sanctions in the country, and the Virginia Beach Police Department has a long and impressive history of aggressively enforcing those laws that has earned us national and state recognition.



Unfortunately, few in the community other than the friends and families of victims of alcohol related crashes give this problem more than a passing thought.



I recognize that there is widespread frustration regarding a lack of adequate controls on immigration, and that emotions run high when two valuable members of a community have their lives senselessly and needlessly cut short.



Unfortunately, most who have been outspoken about this most recent, and all too common, tragedy have lost perspective and focus on what the teaching point actually is.



Tessa Tranchant and Alison Kunhardt were taken from their families and friends because the other driver was driving after consuming alcohol, not because he is illegally in the country.



It is important to recognize that the Code of Virginia, under Section 19.2-81.6, only gives local and state police the authority to charge someone as an illegal alien after they have been:

Previously convicted of a felony and

Previously deported or left the United States after such conviction and

Have reentered the United States and

Have been arrested again.

Even under those circumstances, we're only authorized to hold them for 72 hours.



I'm sure you are aware of the divergent opinions regarding local law enforcement's involvement, or lack thereof, in enforcing Federal immigration laws. Too many are trying to make Federal immigration issues a local police problem.



Following is an excerpt from our Department’s policy regarding the enforcement of Immigration laws:



Policy



The enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws is primarily the responsibility of the federal government. Accordingly, the Virginia Beach Police Department shall not undertake immigration-related investigations and shall not routinely inquire into the immigration status of persons encountered during police operations.



This prohibition does not preclude the Department from cooperating with federal immigration officials when requested, or from notifying those officials in serious situations where a potential threat to the public is perceived.



Inquiries into Immigration Status



A person’s right to file a police report, participate in police-community activities, or otherwise benefit from police services is not contingent upon citizenship or immigration status. Consequently, officers shall not question any person about his or her citizenship or immigration status or inform federal immigration authorities of the whereabouts or behavior of any immigrant or foreign visitor, unless that person:



1. Is arrested for any felony

2. Has been convicted of any felony, regardless of whether that felony involved violence

3. Is arrested for a terrorism-related offense, or is otherwise reasonably suspected of involvement in terrorism and/or subversive activities

4. Is arrested for any offense involving the entry or fraudulent assimilation of undocumented foreigners into the country, or is reasonably suspected of participating in an organized venture to bring or fraudulently assimilate undocumented foreigners into the country

5. Is reasonably suspected of participating in criminal street gang activity



Officers shall not request passports, visas, “green cards,” or travel documents in lieu of, or in addition to, driver’s licenses and similar standard forms of identification. Such documents shall only be requested

when standard forms of identification are unavailable, or when the officer is proceeding under the conditions described above.



This stance was crafted internally by the Police Department in July of 2004 and the formal policy was adopted by our Command Staff in September of 2005. Neither the Mayor nor anyone else on City Council had any input into this policy. The bottom line is, that as Chief of Police, it is my policy. It is also similar to polices of many other major city police departments.



The nearly universal opinion of the chiefs I've spoken to about this is consistent with mine, and that is that not only do we not have the capacity to do the Federal government's work in the area of immigration, we have no business doing so. This position is based upon several things, including 1) immigration violations are civil rather than criminal violations; 2) Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is both understaffed and under-funded, and typically does not respond to calls from local police who have undocumented aliens in custody unless the charges are major felonies or otherwise high profile. In fact, ICE has told us there is nothing they can do unless the individual is arrested for a felony. In the case of Mr. Ramos, we did notify ICE and they have issued a detainer for him; 3) there are a reported 12 million undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S. and another estimated 800,000 entering the country annually. As long as the nation's borders continue to be unsecured, the number of individuals illegally entering the country will exceed any number that ICE may be able to deport; 4) none of us want to be in a position where our officers, who are already over worked and stretched thin, are asking individuals whom they encounter on traffic stops or for minor law violations for their "papers" because the individual has an accent or a so called "non-American" sounding name; 5) the well accepted fact that undocumented aliens often come from countries where law enforcement authorities are abusive and corrupt, and as a result many of those individuals have a fear of, and no confidence in, the police. We know that undocumented aliens are often targeted by criminals, because they know such victims are less likely to report the crime to the. My position is that when someone is the victim of a crime, it makes no difference where they are from or how they got here.



With the national, violent, crime rate climbing, our recruiting goals unfulfilled, our retention problems diminishing but not eliminated, and our authorized staffing less than what I believe it should be for a city with our population and dynamics, we are not in a position to devote police resources towards what is undeniably a Federal issue that no Congress or President in recent memory has identified as a matter deserving of the funds or manpower to adequately address.



We have gone to significant lengths with outreach to the Hispanic community in order to build trust and encourage them to report crimes if they are victimized. We have assured them that our officers will not inquire as to their immigration status unless they are suspected of being involved in one of the 5 activities enumerated above. This approach is not unique to Virginia Beach, but rather it is the norm among major cities I am familiar with.



I truly hope that those of you who take the time to read this have a clearer understanding of how multi-faceted this problem is. Lastly, for those of you who have decided to question whether or not our city is safe, suffice it to say that, according to the latest document released by the FBI – Crimes in the U.S. 2005 - Virginia Beach ranks number one as the “safest” city its size for cities with a population of 235,000 to 900,000. I attribute this to our active partnerships with the community and the efforts of the dedicated men and women of this department who strive daily to ensure that Virginia Beach remains a safe place for our citizens and visitors.


Contact Information:
Chief of Police
2509 Princess Anne Rd.
Municipal Center, Bldg. 11
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
Direct: (757) 385-4141
 
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Hatuey........."My son. If only you had informed yourself on this issue. ".........

What a pompous and as much arrogant as uninformed you are. Why don't you read and get informed for a change "My son". Hey I hope you went to mass today to wash your sins........................."My son"


Insulted easily aren't we?
A Message from Chief Jacocks Regarding the Recent Drunk Driving Related Fatalities Involving an Undocumented Alien



First, I want to extend my personal sympathy to the Tranchant and Kunhardt families for the devastating tragedy that has and will continue to affect them. They remain in our thoughts and prayers.



I find it ironic that, had the intoxicated driver been born and raised in Virginia Beach, little notice would have been given to this senseless tragedy by either the media or the community at large.



We average approximately 9 alcohol related fatalities in the City each year, and the national death toll from drinking and driving in 2005 was 16,885.



The General Assembly has provided us with some of the toughest drunk/impaired driving laws and sanctions in the country, and the Virginia Beach Police Department has a long and impressive history of aggressively enforcing those laws that has earned us national and state recognition.



Unfortunately, few in the community other than the friends and families of victims of alcohol related crashes give this problem more than a passing thought.



I recognize that there is widespread frustration regarding a lack of adequate controls on immigration, and that emotions run high when two valuable members of a community have their lives senselessly and needlessly cut short.



Unfortunately, most who have been outspoken about this most recent, and all too common, tragedy have lost perspective and focus on what the teaching point actually is.



Tessa Tranchant and Alison Kunhardt were taken from their families and friends because the other driver was driving after consuming alcohol, not because he is illegally in the country.



It is important to recognize that the Code of Virginia, under Section 19.2-81.6, only gives local and state police the authority to charge someone as an illegal alien after they have been:

Previously convicted of a felony and

Previously deported or left the United States after such conviction and

Have reentered the United States and

Have been arrested again.

Even under those circumstances, we're only authorized to hold them for 72 hours.



I'm sure you are aware of the divergent opinions regarding local law enforcement's involvement, or lack thereof, in enforcing Federal immigration laws. Too many are trying to make Federal immigration issues a local police problem.



Following is an excerpt from our Department’s policy regarding the enforcement of Immigration laws:



Policy



The enforcement of the nation’s immigration laws is primarily the responsibility of the federal government. Accordingly, the Virginia Beach Police Department shall not undertake immigration-related investigations and shall not routinely inquire into the immigration status of persons encountered during police operations.



This prohibition does not preclude the Department from cooperating with federal immigration officials when requested, or from notifying those officials in serious situations where a potential threat to the public is perceived.



Inquiries into Immigration Status



A person’s right to file a police report, participate in police-community activities, or otherwise benefit from police services is not contingent upon citizenship or immigration status. Consequently, officers shall not question any person about his or her citizenship or immigration status or inform federal immigration authorities of the whereabouts or behavior of any immigrant or foreign visitor, unless that person:



1. Is arrested for any felony

2. Has been convicted of any felony, regardless of whether that felony involved violence

3. Is arrested for a terrorism-related offense, or is otherwise reasonably suspected of involvement in terrorism and/or subversive activities

4. Is arrested for any offense involving the entry or fraudulent assimilation of undocumented foreigners into the country, or is reasonably suspected of participating in an organized venture to bring or fraudulently assimilate undocumented foreigners into the country

5. Is reasonably suspected of participating in criminal street gang activity



Officers shall not request passports, visas, “green cards,” or travel documents in lieu of, or in addition to, driver’s licenses and similar standard forms of identification. Such documents shall only be requested

when standard forms of identification are unavailable, or when the officer is proceeding under the conditions described above.



This stance was crafted internally by the Police Department in July of 2004 and the formal policy was adopted by our Command Staff in September of 2005. Neither the Mayor nor anyone else on City Council had any input into this policy. The bottom line is, that as Chief of Police, it is my policy. It is also similar to polices of many other major city police departments.



The nearly universal opinion of the chiefs I've spoken to about this is consistent with mine, and that is that not only do we not have the capacity to do the Federal government's work in the area of immigration, we have no business doing so. This position is based upon several things, including 1) immigration violations are civil rather than criminal violations; 2) Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) is both understaffed and under-funded, and typically does not respond to calls from local police who have undocumented aliens in custody unless the charges are major felonies or otherwise high profile. In fact, ICE has told us there is nothing they can do unless the individual is arrested for a felony. In the case of Mr. Ramos, we did notify ICE and they have issued a detainer for him; 3) there are a reported 12 million undocumented immigrants currently in the U.S. and another estimated 800,000 entering the country annually. As long as the nation's borders continue to be unsecured, the number of individuals illegally entering the country will exceed any number that ICE may be able to deport; 4) none of us want to be in a position where our officers, who are already over worked and stretched thin, are asking individuals whom they encounter on traffic stops or for minor law violations for their "papers" because the individual has an accent or a so called "non-American" sounding name; 5) the well accepted fact that undocumented aliens often come from countries where law enforcement authorities are abusive and corrupt, and as a result many of those individuals have a fear of, and no confidence in, the police. We know that undocumented aliens are often targeted by criminals, because they know such victims are less likely to report the crime to the. My position is that when someone is the victim of a crime, it makes no difference where they are from or how they got here.



With the national, violent, crime rate climbing, our recruiting goals unfulfilled, our retention problems diminishing but not eliminated, and our authorized staffing less than what I believe it should be for a city with our population and dynamics, we are not in a position to devote police resources towards what is undeniably a Federal issue that no Congress or President in recent memory has identified as a matter deserving of the funds or manpower to adequately address.



We have gone to significant lengths with outreach to the Hispanic community in order to build trust and encourage them to report crimes if they are victimized. We have assured them that our officers will not inquire as to their immigration status unless they are suspected of being involved in one of the 5 activities enumerated above. This approach is not unique to Virginia Beach, but rather it is the norm among major cities I am familiar with.



I truly hope that those of you who take the time to read this have a clearer understanding of how multi-faceted this problem is. Lastly, for those of you who have decided to question whether or not our city is safe, suffice it to say that, according to the latest document released by the FBI – Crimes in the U.S. 2005 - Virginia Beach ranks number one as the “safest” city its size for cities with a population of 235,000 to 900,000. I attribute this to our active partnerships with the community and the efforts of the dedicated men and women of this department who strive daily to ensure that Virginia Beach remains a safe place for our citizens and visitors.


Contact Information:
Chief of Police
2509 Princess Anne Rd.
Municipal Center, Bldg. 11
Virginia Beach, VA 23456
Direct: (757) 385-4141

This is all irrelevant. He should have been deported. Not given a drivers license. Why dont you understand that yet? He was in this country illegally. And yet he was allowed to remain after not one but two DUIs. My case is not that his illegalness killed these girls. My case is that the proper authorities failed to deport an illegal immigrant after this illegal immigrant had two DUIs. Nothing to do with the girls.
 
Insulted easily aren't we?


This is all irrelevant. He should have been deported. Not given a drivers license. Why dont you understand that yet? He was in this country illegally. And yet he was allowed to remain after not one but two DUIs. My case is not that his illegalness killed these girls. My case is that the proper authorities failed to deport an illegal immigrant after this illegal immigrant had two DUIs. Nothing to do with the girls.


It is irrelevant because it doesn't fit your agenda and your propaganda. I understand that you and your like would love to dictate to the rest of the country what should and shouldn't be and thought, just like in the old USSR. As I wrote in my previous post, your master O'reilly bullies anyone who doesn't accept the notion that someone can disagree with him.....So he cuts their micro off to shut them off, Stalin would be happy to see that. You on your end become condescending and insulting........Bravo!

........."My case is that the proper authorities failed to deport an illegal immigrant after this illegal immigrant had two DUIs. Nothing to do with the girls"...............


It seems that you do not understand what you read.
 
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