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Georgia to Execute Man for 1990 Murder of Father in Law

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Georgia is set to execute its 9th person this year, a state record and more executions than the state of Texas has conducted this year.

Based on Georgia law, inmates are led into the execution chamber exactly thirty minutes before the execution is scheduled to take place, which would mean that the condemned is being led into the chamber as I type this- and is scheduled to die in 30 minutes.

Not a fan of the death penalty. I think that it is a cruel and sad tribute to who we are as a society that we still permit this behavior on the part of our government.


Georgia to execute man for 1990 murder of father-in-law | Reuters
 

This man broke into his in laws home, shot them both, then kidnapped his wife, and underage sister, terrorizing them.....I say it has taken too long to meet the maker....
 
j-mac said:
This man broke into his in laws home, shot them both, then kidnapped his wife, and underage sister, terrorizing them.....I say it has taken too long to meet the maker....
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I don't disagree that he deserves it. I just disagree with carrying it through.
 
kamikaze483 said:
I don't disagree that he deserves it. I just disagree with carrying it through.
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Huh??

If you think he deserves the death penalty then he deserved to be executed by the state for his crimes. If you feel he should not be executed then you can not possibly think he deserves the death penalty. You seem to be wanting it both ways and that's not possible.
 
I am ok with the DP when it is used in cases like this. I hope it can bring closure to all parties involved.
 
Execution should be taking place at this moment.
 
The point is to show example to everyone else of what will happen to you if you kill people..

He deserves it.. But do you want to use him as an example to others or just hide him away?

Just because he deserves to be killed doesn't mean you should kill him..

I don't really have a position on either side..
 

There's really no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
 
Deuce said:
There's really no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
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It doesn't need to. It's meant specifically for punishment for killing innocent people for unjustified reasons.
 
Capital "punishment" or the death "penalty" is not justice. Justice is what makes it worth being a part of society. The justice system should justify society. Protecting society (incarceration) and redemption (rehabilitation) make society worth being a part of. Punishment does not make society worth being a part of. I don't think: "well, you punish people? Great! I wanna be a part of your group". Too often the justice system is conceived of as a punishment system, as if punishing people makes it worth being a part of our group. That misconception is rampant, viral.

Capital punishment does not deter crime. It does provide a justification for the rationalization of murder; after all, if the state can do it for their reasons then why can't I for mine.

It's not justice and it's counter-productive.
 
Some Men (and Women) just need Killing. It will teach them a lesson, a last lesson.

Sorry, but I have read up on enough of these cases to know that most of them need to be put down and I believe they should be put down as they put down their Victims. I have zero sympathy for them, only the victims these monsters and their families deserve sympathy.
 
kamikaze483 said:
I don't disagree that he deserves it. I just disagree with carrying it through.
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yeah as a guy I met through work (now a federal judge-and a really good one) noted-some people deserve to be fried but I don't believe the government should be able to fry people
 
The death penalty is justice. You rid yourselves of people who killed other innocent people for unjustified reasons.
 
Deuce said:
There's really no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
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There is undeniable evidence the death penalty serves as a deterrent for at least one individual from committing any form of crime again upon it's successful completion.
 
Deuce said:
There's really no evidence that the death penalty serves as a deterrent.
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true-when it comes to other criminals. what deters other criminals is the certainty of punishment. If you boil in oil-publicly-one out of 5 murderers, that won't deter other murderers nearly as much as a 100% conviction rate for murders where the killers each get five years in prison.

But one thing that execution does to-is it completely stops recidivism by the prisoner
 
GEIxBattleRifle said:
The death penalty is justice. You rid yourselves of people who killed other innocent people for unjustified reasons.

Murderers should have there personhood stripped also.
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You believe such things will improve society. You also believe state punishment makes society worthwhile. These are the essentials of justice - the justifying of society. I've outlined above why I believe otherwise.

First perhaps you might understand that justice is not sought for an individual but for society. We don't justify the existence of an individual, we justify the existence of society. The idea of seeking justice for an individual is a misconception.
 

The USA society overall agrees with the death penalty for justice and for public safety also which takes first priority over your philosophy you outlined above.

I've had to seek out justice before due to family tradition and it ended quite well.
 
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GEIxBattleRifle said:
The USA society overall agrees with the death penalty for justice and for public safety also which takes first priority over your philosophy.
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Perhaps you'll engage the topic of justifying society vs justifying an individual. That aside, let's make this simple:

Things that make it worth being a part of society:

1. Security (incarceration).
2. Redemption (rehabilitation).
3. Punishment.
4. Killing people.

While you agree with 1 - 4, I only agree with 1 and 2. I believe an understanding of justice for society, justifying society, vs justice for an individual, justifying an individual, makes my position more clear.
 

You'll jeopardize number 1 with your philosophy while I don't take the chance of keeping murderers around. Safety of society comes first.

Number 4 should be killing murderers who killed innocent people not just the generic claim of "killing people."
 
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GEIxBattleRifle said:
You'll jeopardize number 1 with your philosophy while I don't take the chance of keeping murderers around. Safety of society comes first.
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Inmates don't escape from max to a meaningful extent. Regarding risk to guards and other inmates, see below.

Number 4 should be killing murderers who killed innocent people not just the generic claim of "killing people."
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I find the distinction not in innocence but in threat. It's not an act of self defense, in my opinion. While the state may need to protect itself from inmates, society does not. The state's defense (guards) are voluntary and know the risk going in. Other inmates are there by choice and only some interact with murderers.

Security is sufficiently established (with consideration to risks) by incarceration.
 

You'll take responsibility for immates braking out killing more innocent people since you're willing to put your philosophy over the safety of society as a whole.

The risk is there. You're willing to take the chance while I will not. Society as a whole will not also thus that's one reason why the death penalty is legal in your country.

It's better to be safe then sorry. Take the murderers out so no one will no longer have to deal with them. Sorry ecofarm. Feeling good about preserving the lives of murderers doesn't supersede the functionality and safety of society as a whole.
 
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Absolutist fear-mongering-based argument. Justice is worth the extremely rare, almost non-existent tragedy. We take millions of greater risks.
 
ecofarm said:
Absolutist fear-mongering-based argument. Justice is worth the extremely rare, almost non-existent tragedy. We take millions of greater risks.
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Safety first over you feeling good about keeping murderers alive. That's just the way it is.

I'm surprised you didn't try to use the lame "experimentation" argument that anti death penalty folks use in a last attempt to keep murderers alive.

The most popular one being James Holmes where that argument was used alot.
 
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