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What is your take on the genetic manipulation of humans? Should it be an acceptable practice when the science reaches that point, or should it be off limits except in rare cases (e.g. birth defects)?
 
What is your take on the genetic manipulation of humans? Should it be an acceptable practice when the science reaches that point, or should it be off limits except in rare cases (e.g. birth defects)?

Do you think humans need no improving? Then let's forbid it like we do drugs and athletes' doping.
 
Hitler's scientist thought it was a good idea. :shock:
 
What is your take on the genetic manipulation of humans? Should it be an acceptable practice when the science reaches that point, or should it be off limits except in rare cases (e.g. birth defects)?

I've got no problem with it whatsoever in general principle. I'd simply ask that tampering be kept within reasonable limits (i.e. improvements and performance tweaks upon the existing design of the human body only, no drastic or fundamental changes in form or function).

At the end of the day, the human body is a machine like any other. Build a better machine, and you will get better results out of it. By essentially "editing out" many of humanity's oldest and most troublesome flaws, we could easily improve both society, and the human condition in general, by leaps and bounds.

The only caveats I'd add to this is that we would have to be careful not to allow too much change in any one direction, and to prevent any one agenda driven group from gaining a monoply on the ability to alter the human form. They might very well attempt to change us in ways that would be beneficial to their ideology, but detrimental to humanity at large.

Imagine if the Nazis actually had been able to create a "master race" of supersoldiers, for instance, or if the Soviets had attempted to make a breed of human being which was optimized to living under totalitarian rule. The potential consequences of such tampering are a bit frightening to say the least.
 
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I am essentially opposite gathomas on the issue. I believe that we have our flaws for a reason, and that you can't fix the real underlying human problems with genetic manipulation, because they are not physical in nature.
 
I believe humans will eventually need to be genetically modified to survive as a species. Our technology is outpacing our evolution.
 
Our 'flaws' make us the individuals we are..... I'd hate to see all humans above and beyond those simple natural 'flaws', or differences that create that individuality.
 
Our 'flaws' make us the individuals we are..... I'd hate to see all humans above and beyond those simple natural 'flaws', or differences that create that individuality.

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Have you seen the Trailer for this New Movie that it is out. Its something sort of coming up with a human that's been modified.


 
I am essentially opposite gathomas on the issue. I believe that we have our flaws for a reason, and that you can't fix the real underlying human problems with genetic manipulation, because they are not physical in nature.

True. At the same time, however, there are some basic things I think we should change if we have the ability to do so. I also think there are some improvements we can make to our blodies without changing anything too drastic concerning the human condition.

For instance, if we have the ability to detect various diseases and defects in utero, and correct them accordingly, is there really any reason we shouldn't? Likewise, if we could tweak the human body in such a way as to provide for greater average intelligence, better health and physical ability, less of a predisposition for diseases like obesity and addiction, longer lifespans, or even less traumatic pregnancy and childbirth for women, would there be any real harm in doing so?

Imagine what we could accomplish with a society where everyone's average IQ was 10 to 20 points higher than today. Imagine all the money and hassle we could save on healthcare with a population predisposed to healthy constitutions.
 
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Our 'flaws' make us the individuals we are..... I'd hate to see all humans above and beyond those simple natural 'flaws', or differences that create that individuality.

Good point, but I think our experiences make us individuals. Those experiences ultimately include mistakes and personality quirks, which I don't see going away even in the case of genetic manipulation.
 
The problem is that the only way we know how to modify the genetic code is via viruses.
Until we find a better way of doing this, it's never going to be implemented on a large scale. It's just not. So I wouldn't worry about it.
We're at least a century ahead of time of this discussion. Until that time the only people who will be receive some genetic therapy will be people with diseases of a genetic kind that stand to lose everything. Huntingtons, alzheimer. That sort of thing.
 
Imagine what we could accomplish with a society where everyone's average IQ was 10 to 20 points higher than today. Imagine all the money and hassel we could save on healthcare with a population predisposed to healthy constitutions.

Most of our problems aren't related to intelligence, but to dysfunctional attitudes and poor coping.
The primary source of human misery, at least in a society such as ours, is between the ears, lol.
 
Good point, but I think our experiences make us individuals. Those experiences ultimately include mistakes and personality quirks, which I don't see going away even in the case of genetic manipulation.

It's more than that IMO. Curly hair, straight hair, short, tall, round and skinny. Squeaky voice, deep voice, big nose, ski-slope nose. Big ears, small ears, beady eyes and big eyes. These are all traits that someone is going to want to change, and they do affect our personalities as well as experiences.

And, even on the intellect levels. There is wonder to be found in how some who have a lower intellect view the world. I really wouldn't want to lose that in man kind.
 
Most of our problems aren't related to intelligence, but to dysfunctional attitudes and poor coping.
The primary source of human misery, at least in a society such as ours, is between the ears, lol.

Well, I'm certainly not going to deny that. :lol:

Still though, I think minor changes and preemptive measures along the lines of what I described could hardly hurt matters. They'd really be little more than societal "maintenance" with some incremental improvement tossed in, when you think about it.

Anything truly "revolutionary" would fall under the auspices of different developments entirely.
 
It's more than that IMO. Curly hair, straight hair, short, tall, round and skinny. Squeaky voice, deep voice, big nose, ski-slope nose. Big ears, small ears, beady eyes and big eyes. These are all traits that someone is going to want to change, and they do affect our personalities as well as experiences.

And, even on the intellect levels. There is wonder to be found in how some who have a lower intellect view the world. I really wouldn't want to lose that in man kind.

You bring up great points, but I look at it another way... if someone can mix and match their genetics? That is going to bring a lot of diversity into society.

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Well, I'm certainly not going to deny that. :lol:

Still though, I think minor changes and preemptive measures along the lines of what I described could hardly hurt matters. They'd really be little more than societal "maintenance" with some incremental improvement tossed in, when you think about it.

Anything truly "revolutionary" would fall under the auspices of different developments entirely.

That's just little too Orwellian to me, lol.
 
I have a nagging suspicion that nature can manage evolution better than we can.
 
You bring up great points, but I look at it another way... if someone can mix and match their genetics? That is going to bring a lot of diversity into society.

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Yea... I'd be in favor of making that kind of thing illegal, to be honest. :lol:

However, if someone wanted to give themselves green skin, with orange hair, and purple eyes, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to it.
 
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That's just little too Orwellian to me, lol.

Why though?

I'm not suggesting this be government mandated or directed. That should actually be prevented outright, IMO, as you could never be sure of the direction they would want to take the change in question.

I'm simply saying that if the technology were to become available to allow parents to "tweak" their children in such a way as to give them an advantage in life, and they wanted to make use of it, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea. It could, conceivably, result in a lot of good for society in general.
 
You bring up great points, but I look at it another way... if someone can mix and match their genetics? That is going to bring a lot of diversity into society.

Brood_Mutants_add.jpg

You've been reading comic books again, haven't you? :lol:
 
However, are evolution's goals and the goals of human civilization one and the same?

Neither evolution nor human civilization have goals. Both are about survival if that's what meant.
 
Why though?

I'm not suggesting this be government mandated or directed. That should actually be prevented outright, IMO, as you could never be sure of the direction they would want to take the change in question.

I'm simply saying that if the technology were to become available to allow parents to "tweak" their children in such a way as to give them an advantage in life, and they wanted to make use of it, I wouldn't be opposed to the idea. It could, conceivably, result in a lot of good for society in general.

The simple answer is that philosophically, I have issues with it. If it ever comes to the point that it's an option, I won't have anything to say about it, as my reproductive days are long gone, but if I were of the age to still need to consider it, I'd opt not to. Imo, humans are much more than machines, and a part of what makes us human is our flaws and dysfunctions.
 
I've got no problem with it whatsoever in general principle. I'd simply ask that tampering be kept within reasonable limits (i.e. improvements and performance tweaks upon the existing design of the human body only, no drastic or fundamental changes in form or function).

At the end of the day, the human body is a machine like any other. Build a better machine, and you will get better results out of it. By essentially "editing out" many of humanity's oldest and most troublesome flaws, we could easily improve both society, and the human condition in general, by leaps and bounds.

The only caveats I'd add to this is that we would have to be careful not to allow too much change in any one direction, and to prevent any one agenda driven group from gaining a monoply on the ability to alter the human form. They might very well attempt to change us in ways that would be beneficial to their ideology, but detrimental to humanity at large.

Imagine if the Nazis actually had been able to create a "master race" of supersoldiers, for instance, or if the Soviets had attempted to make a breed of human being which was optimized to living under totalitarian rule. The potential consequences of such tampering are a bit frightening to say the least.

That's human nature. If it can be explored, it will simply because it's there.

Personally, I am much more interested if we can prevent telomere decay without inducing cancer. I would love to have the option to stop aging. With enough time, other problems can be waited out.
 
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Neither evolution nor human civilization have goals. Both are about survival if that's what meant.

To the contrary, a great many people (myself included) would argue that civilization's primary aim should lie in pushing the boundaries of human ambition and achievement forward.

Unfortunately, in some regards, natural evolution runs counter to that goal.

Take two of the most problematic behaviors of our age, for instance; promiscuity and gluttony. Early in our evolutionary history, these instincts served a legitimately useful purpose. They helped to ensure that our ancestors were able to pass on their genes and find adequate nutrition in environments where mates and food could potentially be quite scarce.

What do they accomplish today, in environments where both are available in abundance?

Out of control STD and illegitimacy rates, and an obesity problem of virtually epidemic proportions, to name just a few of their more disasterous consequences.

Needless to say, in many regards, the "caveman" instincts fostered by our evolution can actually be shown to cause more harm than good. They don't show signs of going away any time soon either.

Frankly, that's assuming that evolution even necessarily works towards a species' survival in absolute terms anyway. Species go extinct all the time, in case you haven't noticed.

The simple answer is that philosophically, I have issues with it. If it ever comes to the point that it's an option, I won't have anything to say about it, as my reproductive days are long gone, but if I were of the age to still need to consider it, I'd opt not to. Imo, humans are much more than machines, and a part of what makes us human is our flaws and dysfunctions.

That's fair. I may not completely agree with that opinion, but I won't fault you for it.

To be equally fair, however, I wouldn't say that I necessarily view human beings as "machines" anyway. We have free will, and can choose to rise above our baser nature (or not) as such.

I was simply saying that, where the basic functionality of our bodies is concerned, many of the same principles apply. The better the "hardware" and the better it is put together, the better the whole device comes together and is able to accomplish the tasks it is meant to complete.

In that regard, I really don't view inefficiency or flaws as being especially worth preserving. :shrug:

The way I see it, small scale tweaking of genetic traits basically functions of the same principle as vaccination, or any other preventative medical measure. The goal is to nip any potential problem in the bud before it can become a legitimate problem in the first place.

That's human nature. If it can be explored, it will simply because it's there.

True, and we will very likely wind up suffering for it either way regardless. I was merely putting forward my "ideal" position on the matter.

It will be interesting to see where things end up in any eventuality, I'm sure.

Personally, I am much more interested if we can prevent telomere decay without inducing cancer. I would love to have the option to stop aging. With enough time, other problems can be waited out.

Agreed. That'll be a big one if they ever manage to make it workable.

I doubt either of us will live long enough to see it if they do though. Lol
 
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