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GDP grew at a 6.9% pace to close out 2021, stronger than expected despite omicron spread

Yes, of course getting products off the cargo ships and to the markets would help. Do you think no one in the affected industries are aware of this?
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Sure do, any idea what regulations are in place in California to unload those ships and then were are the drivers going to come from to deliver the products
Did you actually read the article? If you did, that disease that some have treated with "irrational hysteria" has contributed to the problem because they are sick and can't work.


You should read the article, then come back with some salient points.
Yep, that is the point, irrational hysteria along with strict State Covid requirements are indeed the problem there and in your state as well thus the continued high unemployment and in ability to get products to market
 
I did back in post #470 which was specific to wage gains by those working for some of the largest retailers. Then you have the broader numbers @Kushinator provided in post #564.


In terms of overall economic gains, the owners of many large businesses were the real winners. Amazon and Walmart have made a lot of money throughout all of this, but that shouldn't be a point of contention for you since objecting to that would mean "class envy and jealousy" if you're remotely interested in being ideologically consistent. That workers also made gains is a good thing, since many of the workers in retail jobs haven't seen much wage mobility over the years.
Yes they have, large businesses are no different than rich liberal elites benefiting from the inflation whereas the people the left claims they want to help suffer.
 
Doesn't matter. It's critical to these jobs he's claiming to have created.


I do remember. Democrats were pissed that more shutdowns didn't occur. I remember a woman from a nearby country club posting an angry message on social media that there were a bunch of pickup trucks in the Home Depot parking lot a couple miles down the road. She didn't understand why everyone couldn't just take a month or two off work and sit by the pool.
OH another one that doesn't think knowing what the Unemployment rate or numbers when a new President takes office " Doesn't matter"
In order to know just how many people have returned to the work force does matter
and point is Unemployment JUMPED from 4,4% in March 2020 to 14,8% in Apr 2020 and did decrease to 6.3% when Biden took over ,
so it does matter so we can know first of all how much the unemployment rate went up ( or down ) under what ever President is in office
yes it went up that 10.4% to 14.8% but it also went down to 6.3% a drop of 8.5% when Trump was still in office a very substantial drop
.and in some states the " shut down " was not a complete shut down.
In NY they did restrict how many people could be here or there at one time and some other things but in a lot of the state it wasn't a complete shutdown like people are saying
Have a nice day
 
OH another one that doesn't think knowing what the Unemployment rate or numbers when a new President takes office " Doesn't matter"
In order to know just how many people have returned to the work force does matter
and point is Unemployment JUMPED from 4,4% in March 2020 to 14,8% in Apr 2020 and did decrease to 6.3% when Biden took over ,
so it does matter so we can know first of all how much the unemployment rate went up ( or down ) under what ever President is in office
yes it went up that 10.4% to 14.8% but it also went down to 6.3% a drop of 8.5% when Trump was still in office a very substantial drop
.and in some states the " shut down " was not a complete shut down.
In NY they did restrict how many people could be here or there at one time and some other things but in a lot of the state it wasn't a complete shutdown like people are saying
Have a nice day
Still ignoring reality, the drop in the unemployment rate is no different than the job growth, irrelevant when compared to the pre-pandemic numbers and the policies implemented by the Congress. Still wont respond to the economic and approval poll numbers will you or the fact that allowing you to keep more of what you earn doesn't screw you as you claim Republican policies do. I cannot believe how poorly informed, educated, and loyal members of the left are to policies that put gov't in charge rather than the individuals.
 
Yes they have, large businesses are no different than rich liberal elites benefiting from the inflation whereas the people the left claims they want to help suffer.
Wait, so large businesses are bad now?
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Odd that you bring up people suffering since what has come out of the pandemic is wage growth for people in jobs which had seen really poor wage growth. Sure. inflation has an impact, but even with it in place there has still been wage growth for these types of jobs. Unless you're assuming a 7% inflation level will persist for years to come, those gains will still matter.
 
You blame Trump for the economic shutdown so in doing research I cannot seem to find where he authorized or promoted that shutdown. You made the claim now it is up to you to prove it?
YES I did
It is okay for YOU to blame every thing bad that happens when we have a DEM President on Him but not on a Republican President,
Unlike YOU when something bad happens there are a lot of us that blame what ever President that was in office at the time for it and not try to blame some body else for what happened when he was in office like you do,
Have a nice day
 
Yep, that is the point, irrational hysteria along with strict State Covid requirements are indeed the problem there and in your state as well thus the continued high unemployment and in ability to get products to market

How many are now dead from this “irrational hysteria”, and is that what their friends and loved ones call it?
 
Wait, so large businesses are bad now?
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Odd that you bring up people suffering since what has come out of the pandemic is wage growth for people in jobs which had seen really poor wage growth. Sure. inflation has an impact, but even with it in place there has still been wage growth for these types of jobs. Unless you're assuming a 7% inflation level will persist for years to come, those gains will still matter.
No, lack of competition is wrong, I gave you the solution to the inflation and GDP growth which you discounted so waiting for your solution. In the private sector we see a problem then have to generate solutions. IN the liberal world seeing a problem generates blame
 
I cannot believe how poorly informed, educated, and loyal members of the left are to policies that put gov't in charge rather than the individuals.

Exactly how does this constant generalized as hom towards “the left” contribute to thoughtful discussion?
 
YES I did
It is okay for YOU to blame every thing bad that happens when we have a DEM President on Him but not on a Republican President,
Unlike YOU when something bad happens there are a lot of us that blame what ever President that was in office at the time for it and not try to blame some body else for what happened when he was in office like you do,
Have a nice day

I am waiting for proof that Trump ordered the economic shutdown and thus created the loss of jobs

Oh by the way, this JFK Democrat gets it, and bets that I voted for more Democrats than you Republicans in my voting life. You see it isn't about the D or R it is about the policies that you don't understand
 
No, lack of competition is wrong, I gave you the solution to the inflation and GDP growth which you discounted so waiting for your solution. In the private sector we see a problem then have to generate solutions. IN the liberal world seeing a problem generates blame

Are you generating blame in your posts? Against who?
 
Sure do, any idea what regulations are in place in California to unload those ships and then were are the drivers going to come from to deliver the products
You'll have to be specific on what regulation(s) and then actually make a point.

Yep, that is the point, irrational hysteria along with strict State Covid requirements are indeed the problem there and in your state as well thus the continued high unemployment and in ability to get products to market
Then you must have missed the section of the article which mentioned drivers calling out sick due to COVID 19 as one of the issues impacts:

WSJ article you cited said:
Mr. McKenna said five to 10 of the roughly 35 ships at berths on a typical day aren’t being unloaded because terminals don’t have space to put the boxes. He said the congestion has gotten worse in recent weeks because of a surge of Covid-19 cases among longshore workers, truckers and warehouse staff.
Instead of actually discussing the very article you cited, you then move on to your irrelevant and boringly generic comments about unemployment elsewhere. Oddly enough you rarely mention the above national average unemployment rate in your home state; I mean Texas is only 1.2% lower than NJ.
 
Still ignoring reality, the drop in the unemployment rate is no different than the job growth, irrelevant when compared to the pre-pandemic numbers and the policies implemented by the Congress. Still wont respond to the economic and approval poll numbers will you or the fact that allowing you to keep more of what you earn doesn't screw you as you claim Republican policies do. I cannot believe how poorly informed, educated, and loyal members of the left are to policies that put gov't in charge rather than the individuals.
WOW changing the subject AGAIN
Who was " ignoring reality ? I never said the Unemployment rate wasn't the same as Job growth or loss
MY point is these Numbers and rates DO MATTER if they didn't how would we know if unemployment is going up or down?
YOU are the one that always tries to eliminate a full year under Trump because it makes him look bad
IF Trump had been a DEM you wouldn't YOU would be all over it.
and I don't give a s--t about poll numbers
I look things up and find out how things are going not listen to far right or far left media outlets
I can research unemployment rates and see they are coming down and I can find out what the GDP is doing I don't need to listen to far right or far left media
Polls are just people's opinion and if they are influenced by the media and not real facts
Have a nice day
 
You'll have to be specific on what regulation(s) and then actually make a point.
Environmental and Covid regulations
Then you must have missed the section of the article which mentioned drivers calling out sick due to COVID 19 as one of the issues impacts:
Didn't miss it at all, you continue to miss state responses and reactions to Covid
Instead of actually discussing the very article you cited, you then move on to your irrelevant and boringly generic comments about unemployment elsewhere. Oddly enough you rarely mention the above national average unemployment rate in your home state; I mean Texas is only 1.2% lower than NJ.
Discussing solutions is something you never do, where are the solutions rather than many on the left placing blame
 
In terms of overall economic gains, the owners of many large businesses were the real winners. Amazon and Walmart have made a lot of money throughout all of this, but that shouldn't be a point of contention for you since objecting to that would mean "class envy and jealousy" if you're remotely interested in being ideologically consistent. That workers also made gains is a good thing, since many of the workers in retail jobs haven't seen much wage mobility over the years.
It's interesting to not where low wage gains have originated... and it is not in states that have refused to increases their minimum wages like Texas, Indiana, Kentucky, Oklahoma, etc....

Low wage earners in those states are having a tougher time.

In the state of Washington, they now index minimum wage increases to inflation. The minimum wage increases 5.2% which is indexed to the CPI on an August YoY basis.
 
Care to post data showing how much of a gain the hourly employees made in 2021 and what impact the recession had on those wages? Who really benefited?
I already did so.
 
No, lack of competition is wrong, I gave you the solution to the inflation and GDP growth which you discounted so waiting for your solution.
You really need to do a better job of presenting your ideas because they're often so generic they're rendered meaningless. So what lack of competition are you referring to? Currently there's no shortage of competition because there have been a lot of changes to a long list of businesses, so those not as nimble have to shift gears to remain competitive. That in an of itself is generates competition and incentive.

In the private sector we see a problem then have to generate solutions. IN the liberal world seeing a problem generates blame
Yeah, but they have to be well detailed solutions and not "we need more competition!". You might as well tell sick people they just need to get better, or sad people to be happy; your solutions render a "well thanks Captain Obvious" response.
 
And still as usual you miss the point, we according to liberals were in an economic disaster, the worst recession since the Great Depression, Obama's stimulus failed so rather than address the economy he proposed ACA which did nothing to generate economic activity that benefited the American people during this "worst recession since the Great Depression"
Should he have waited for the GOP to win the house in 2010? When you have 60 seats in the senate (because that's what it takes to pass actual legislation anymore), you have to take your shot. They didn't even get what the Democrats wanted. The gave us the Republican plan for universal healthcare.
 
WOW changing the subject AGAIN
Who was " ignoring reality ? I never said the Unemployment rate wasn't the same as Job growth or loss
MY point is these Numbers and rates DO MATTER if they didn't how would we know if unemployment is going up or down?
YOU are the one that always tries to eliminate a full year under Trump because it makes him look bad
IF Trump had been a DEM you wouldn't YOU would be all over it.
and I don't give a s--t about poll numbers
I look things up and find out how things are going not listen to far right or far left media outlets
I can research unemployment rates and see they are coming down and I can find out what the GDP is doing I don't need to listen to far right or far left media
Polls are just people's opinion and if they are influenced by the media and not real facts
Have a nice day
No they only matter to partisans like you who want to believe that a returning job is a new job gain and that the drop in the unemployment is more important than total employment

If Trump had been a Democrat and proposed what Hillary and Biden have proposed and their resumes showed I wouldn't have voted for him. I leave partisanship and party loyalty to people like you, I focus on policies and results. You are just too partisan to understand that policies matter and you still cannot post the policies Biden has implemented to generate the results you claim are so great

What do you expect unemployment rates to do when businesses reopen and employees are rehired? Let's see how honest you are, you employ 100 people and have to lay off 50 during the pandemic and those employees show up as unemployed and affect the unemployment rate, the business reopens and rehires those 50 employees, how many new jobs were created? When they are rehired employment grows and the unemployment rate drops but employment doesn't change from pre pandemic. Now dodge that reality
 
You really need to do a better job of presenting your ideas because they're often so generic they're rendered meaningless. So what lack of competition are you referring to? Currently there's no shortage of competition because there have been a lot of changes to a long list of businesses, so those not as nimble have to shift gears to remain competitive. That in an of itself is generates competition and incentive.


Yeah, but they have to be well detailed solutions and not "we need more competition!". You might as well tell sick people they just need to get better, or sad people to be happy; your solutions render a "well thanks Captain Obvious" response.
Ok, what policies do Democrats propose the encourages competition and private sector growth? There if financial risks in starting up a business and where those businesses start up. You want specifics, Reagan, Bush, and Trump policies created those specifics, tax cuts and regulation reforms not just throwing money at the problem and then suggesting higher taxes on businesses
 
Ok, what policies do Democrats propose the encourages competition and private sector growth?
Is growth a problem they need to address right now? We have record small business creation, so clearly policies are not standing in the way of that. We have massive profits in many of the nation's largest companies, so policies are not affecting this either. It sounds like you want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

There if financial risks in starting up a business and where those businesses start up. You want specifics, Reagan, Bush, and Trump policies created those specifics, tax cuts and regulation reforms not just throwing money at the problem and then suggesting higher taxes on businesses
Those aren't specifics; they're just more generalities. By the current profitability of many businesses and record creation of small businesses, you haven't effectively identified a problem. What this seems to be is just another Trojan horse for your "LIBERALISM BAD!!1!!" rant than anything of substance.
 
We have had other events that impacted the economy adversely, though the pandemic is indeed unique in terms of how businesses were impacted.
Impacted? They were shut down by government for an extended period of time. They were held hostage until Trump was gone and Biden was in.
 
Is growth a problem they need to address right now? We have record small business creation, so clearly policies are not standing in the way of that. We have massive profits in many of the nation's largest companies, so policies are not affecting this either. It sounds like you want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.


Those aren't specifics; they're just more generalities. By the current profitability of many businesses and record creation of small businesses, you haven't effectively identified a problem. What this seems to be is just another Trojan horse for your "LIBERALISM BAD!!1!!" rant than anything of substance.
Is growth a problem they need to address right now? We have record small business creation, so clearly policies are not standing in the way of that. We have massive profits in many of the nation's largest companies, so policies are not affecting this either. It sounds like you want a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
growth isn't the problem supply and prices are. Business growth that doesn't increase employment or supply doesn't help inflation. Inflation hurts small business start ups as they don't have the extra cash to spend on most of these start up businesses as high prices of groceries and necessary items eats up their discretionary income

Those aren't specifics; they're just more generalities. By the current profitability of many businesses and record creation of small businesses, you haven't effectively identified a problem. What this seems to be is just another Trojan horse for your "LIBERALISM BAD!!1!!" rant than anything of substance.
Already gave you the answer what is yours? But at least part of what you wrote is accurate with the exception of it is missing one word, TODAY's LIberalism
 
Without a $1.9 trillion stimulus package in the beginning of 2021, the economy would have grown by at least that much less.

Nominal GDP growth for 2021 was $2.1 trillion. The U.S. economy flirts with recession in it's absence.
All the economy needed was for government to get out of the way and not interfere with the natural climate rebound as businesses opened up.
 
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