Gay Marriage Opponents Now in Minority

[CaptainCourtesy]

Gay sex is unnatural because gay sex can't produce babies. It's apparently not obvious to you (why is that?), but it's real clear to me.

1) Define "gay sex".
2) Define "natural".
3) As I believe I already explained to you. Gays can procreate.
4) As I ALSO believe that I explained to you, procreation is irrelevant to both sexual orientation and marriage.

Hmmm... one sentance, so many errors.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It's not what I think. It's what I can prove.

Homosexuality may not be a choice. I said "I didn't know". I said that "I believe" it's not a choice. But I asked you how you knew, but all you say here is that you know more about the topic than I do.

I tell you what. Let's settle the whole matter.

Prove that homosexuality is natural. As natural as the sun and the rain. (I can prove it's not).
Prove to me that same-sex marriage is real marriage. (I can prove it's not).
Prove to me that homosexuality is not a choice, and that people are born gay (I can't prove that. I just have my opinion)

Prove those three things to me, and I'll publicly apologize right here, and I'll even join your side and support gays.

That ought to be easy for you, since you know more than I do.

You made claims, you need to substantiate. Prove that homosexuality is not natural... you say you can, so do so. Define "natural" first. Prove that same-sex marriage is not real marriage... you say you can, so do so.

When you are proven wrong, I doubt you will apologize, because you will not admit it. I would like to think that this is not the case. I will apologize if I am wrong.

 

[mac]

1) Define "gay sex".
2) Define "natural".
3) As I believe I already explained to you. Gays can procreate.
4) As I ALSO believe that I explained to you, procreation is irrelevant to both sexual orientation and marriage.

Hmmm... one sentance, so many errors.

3 can't work with 1, at least in regards to 2. 4 is partially an opinion....

Just sayin...

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

What deemed your belief about your sexual identity absolutely right, Your Star? A feeling?

Does your feeling equate to absolute correctness? What if I felt "X" notion and believed I absolutely must be so? What if you have been living a lie?

How do you know, for certain, that you are heterosexual?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Heterosexuality is natural, one must choose to be homosexual.



You know...if it were like 20-49% homosexual...I might buy that....but it's not. It's such a small minority as to be almost non-existent.



Homosexuality.

Shall we start defining the word "natural" again, mac? I wouldn't advise it... you know what happened to you last time you tried.

You have no evidence that heterosexuality is any more natural than homosexuality. Please stop speaking as if your beliefs are facts, because they are not.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The fact that 92% of humanity is heterosexual and that heterosexuality serves a purpose in our species while homosexuality does not.

Ah... another one of my favorite arguments. Please link me to the designer's website, demonstrating that homosexuality has no purpose.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

For those who say people are born gay:

What of the man who believed himself to be gay, then found God through traditional Christianity, repented of his sin and changed his lifestyle, and now has a wife and children? My uncle.

He is still gay. He is BEHAVING in a heterosexual way, however.

What of the gay man or woman that wakes up and realizes it wasn't so, that their feeling was wrong? They were influenced to believe they were born gay.

This damages the notion that people must have been born gay.

How can someone be influenced to be gay?

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

The I have observed that the overwhelming majority of humans are Hetorsexuals and that leads me to believe that homosexuality is a choice in some manner.

This is illogical and does not follow. Please demonstrate your specific line of thinking in how you come to this conclusion so I can point out precisely where your logic fails.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Right, for all you know we all make a sub-conscious, or conscious choice based on an influence, or influences, in our lives that have conditioned our responses.

If it's not proven impossible, it's possible.

Good, then you agree that sexual orientation, both hetero and homosexuality MIGHT be chosen.

You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper, mac.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

It does, and it isn't.

If you could prove the it was biologically determined that you were homosexual...I'd be right alongside you fighting for your equality.

Wait... so you believe that people who choose to be different should not be equal? I'm Jewish. I suppose I should start going to the back of the bus.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

Harm is subjective.....there is subjective harm in allowing SSM, or in tolerating openly gay service members.

There is subjective harm in lots of things. Individual subjective harm is irrelevant to society. You have no right to NOT be offended.

 

[CaptainCourtesy]

3 can't work with 1, at least in regards to 2. 4 is partially an opinion....

Just sayin...

3 and 1 are mutally exclusive. Do I need to demonstrate the difference between behavior and orientation for the 1,264,384th time? And 4 is not an opinion. Procreation and sexual orientation are two different things. One can be of any sexual orientation and either choose to procreate or not. Further, procreation is irrelevant to marriage. There are pleny of couples that choose to not have children, demonstrating that there is no requirement.

 

[CriticalThought]

3 can't work with 1, at least in regards to 2. 4 is partially an opinion....

Just sayin...

I'm still waiting to hear how same sex marriage hurts you and what evidence you have that homosexuality is a choice. So far all you have provided is logical fallacies. I'm disappointed. Of course, I'm not surprised. Our debates always end with you cowering into silence.

 

[Henrin]

Ah... another one of my favorite arguments. Please link me to the designer's website, demonstrating that homosexuality has no purpose.

The obvious must be explained why?

Yes, go right ahead and punish me again. I'm sure it makes you feel big.

 

[mac]

There is subjective harm in lots of things.

Because a thing is a thing makes another thing not a thing?

Individual subjective harm is irrelevant to society.

Define individual and show it's relevance to the subjective harm done here.

You have no right to NOT be offended.

Cute .I..

 

[mac]

3 and 1 are mutally exclusive.

Your agreement is noted.

Do I need to demonstrate the difference between behavior and orientation for the 1,264,384th time?

I don't see how I instigated that ol'nugget.

And 4 is not an opinion.

Of course it is.

Procreation and sexual orientation are two different things. One can be of any sexual orientation and either choose to procreate or not. Further, procreation is irrelevant to marriage. There are pleny of couples that choose to not have children, demonstrating that there is no requirement.

Procreation not being relevant to marriage is an opinion.

 

[BayToBay]

Sexual orientation, and sexual acts are not the same thing, this is a different discussion.

Then the question is completely pointless since sexual orientation is not observable. All we can observe is people who claim a preference and their acts. People often claim they are homosexual, engage in homosexual acts and then change course, claim heterosexuality and engage in heterosexual acts (and it was not just some girl I tried to hookup with ). Some people claim no clear preference and engage in both acts with the same period of time. If a preference one way or the other were hardwired such things would be very rare, but yet they are quite common.

 

[CriticalThought]

The obvious must be explained why?

Yes, go right ahead and punish me again. I'm sure it makes you feel big.

Your argument is obviously idiotic. As such I don't need to explain why.

 

[CriticalThought]

Procreation not being relevant to marriage is an opinion.

IF it is such a big deal, how come you aren't out trying to strip the infertile couples and elderly couples of their marriage rights?

 

[mac]

I'm still waiting to hear how same sex marriage hurts you and what evidence you have that homosexuality is a choice. So far all you have provided is logical fallacies. I'm disappointed. Of course, I'm not surprised. Our debates always end with you cowering into silence.

:lamo

I already adressed you. If you're just going to insult, I'm going to waste my effort on those more worthy....of wasted effort.

 

[mac]

IF it is such a big deal, how come you aren't out trying to strip the infertile couples and elderly couples of their marriage rights?

Who says I'm not?

It's well know that once women reach menopause, they are to be put down and replaced.

 

[CriticalThought]

Who says I'm not?

Oh you are talking? While I have you here, what harm does same sex marriage cause you and what evidence do you have that homosexuality is a choice? I figure we ought to get those out of the way before I answer anymore of your questions.

 

[BayToBay]

The I have observed that the overwhelming majority of humans are Hetorsexuals and that leads me to believe that homosexuality is a choice in some manner.

And just think how all those left handers complained when we tried to beat the Satan out of them. They could have just chosen to be right handed.

 

[CriticalThought]

And just think how all those left handers complained when we tried to beat the Satan out of them. They could have just chosen to be right handed.

Nice, but you are a bit late. We already embarrassed him for his crappy logic.

 

[ThePlayDrive]

Then the question is completely pointless since sexual orientation is not observable.

Actually, those who claim it may be a choice make it a relevant question - since choice is usually an observable process. They also make it a relevant question since there is nothing, at all, to suggest that choice is even an option for the origin of homosexuality.

I can only assume that you agree that the claim that homosexuality is a choice comes out of nowhere and makes absolutely no sense as it has no observable basis.