There is something about the idea that "business" is an activity that requires permission that seems wrong. Do we not have the right to engage in commerce or refrain as we see fit? Also to "obey" assumes an act, to not act seems fair with respect to ones own conscience.
No, that wasn't the logic.
We cannot be deprived of liberty without due process of law, this includes the liberty to conduct business and secure private contracts. This right is not like unlimited, but it is secured by the Constitution; the government cannot infringe on this right in an unreasonable, arbitrary or capricious manner.
The "right to be served" is a legal right; it is not secured by the Constitution, but by legislation enacted by Congress. It is a right in the same sense that a lemon law gives us the "right" to a replacement or refund on a bad car. These rights can be taken away as quickly as they were created.
There is something about the idea that "business" is an activity that requires permission that seems wrong. Do we not have the right to engage in commerce or refrain as we see fit? Also to "obey" assumes an act, to not act seems fair with respect to ones own conscience.
Read the 5th Amendment.Show me the right to conduct business with the public written into the Constitution.
No, I'm stating a simple fact that when it is deprived without due process, it is a violation of rights secured by the Constitution. This is not controversial or worthy of debate.You are assuming that liberty is being deprived without due process.
Read the 5th Amendment.
No, I'm stating a simple fact that when it is deprived without due process, it is a violation of rights secured by the Constitution. This is not controversial or worthy of debate.
So long as their beliefs don't affect others, nobody bothers them. It's when they insist on pushing their religion on the rest of society that people take notice. If people don't want to be ridiculed for their beliefs, they shouldn't have such ridiculous beliefs.
Link a single case establishing the precedent that citizens have no Constitutionally protected right to conduct business. Just one.I've read it, and she is correct. And we have long standing precedence as well to back that reading.
It is hard to see how the government can be allowed to force people to act against their religious beliefs just so other people feel better.
Discrimination is not an expression of religious belief.
It can be if the persons are trying to force the religious person to perform in what his religion considers a sacrilege. Then discrimination is the expression of religious belief.
Link a single case establishing the precedent that citizens have no Constitutionally protected right to conduct business. Just one.
Apparently the liberty our government was founded on extends only to recreational activities.
If you think that businesses will not have to obey the law I predict that you will be disappointed.
Bigots and racists always think that they have the right to practice their bigotry and racism.
But they don't have that right in the USA.
No, you do not have a right to engage in commerce as you see fit. You cannot sell things to people that a dangerous. You cannot lie to people, taking advantage of their extreme vulnerabilities just to make a profit without some regulation.
We are dependent on each other in this society because the vast majority of us cannot do it alone, cannot provide for ourselves independently. We rely on commerce. Which means those who are providing the goods or services must be regulated and held to certain standards in what they provide and how they provide it, to protect the public.
Excuse me, implicit in my remark was the assumption of ethical business practices. The rest of my remark stands.
Maybe you have trouble either reading or comprehending what you read, therefore I'll excuse your asinine remark. However if you continue to insist on calling people bigots without merit, I will have to assume that you are intentionally engaging in gratuitous name calling, worthy of a third grade schoolyard bully.Who said anything about practicing bigotry?
'inconceivable'?
Is that a pun?
How is not wanting to make a cake "pushing religious beliefs" on anyone.
If you think gay marriage is wrong, and you want to go your way and others go their own, how is that forcing beliefs?
Its the government saying "oh no, you MUST serve this gay wedding"
The reality is, the gov doesnt give a flip about religious freedom unless its islam or some other non christian religious ideology.
Yeah. I mean, my religious belief says that black people are meant to be slaves. It's right there in the bible. And yet the government is allowed to force me to act against my beliefs and actually serve them food at my restaurant. Can you believe it?It is hard to see how the government can be allowed to force people to act against their religious beliefs just so other people feel better.
Because when you're a business serving the general public, you don't get to decide not to serve parts of the public. Your religious beliefs stay at the door, just like you can't decide not to serve women or blacks or people of other religions. Welcome to reality.
Yeah. I mean, my religious belief says that black people are meant to be slaves. It's right there in the bible. And yet the government is allowed to force me to act against my beliefs and actually serve them food at my restaurant. Can you believe it?
/end sarcasm.
There were many whites that cited religious reasons for believing blacks were inferior, that 'mixing' was a sin, and that interracial marriage was a sin. Someone here posted a long list of the Bible passages they 'interpreted' that way. I'm sorry I dont have it tho.
Yeah. I mean, my religious belief says that black people are meant to be slaves. It's right there in the bible. And yet the government is allowed to force me to act against my beliefs and actually serve them food at my restaurant. Can you believe it?
/end sarcasm.
Bigots will believe anything that the peer group requires.
Where is it in the Bible? Not that I do not believe that you can make religions to say anything you want. That is the same with political opinions and even science. The justification of the German extermination of the handicapped was scientifically argued. That is trivial. It is also the reason that the government should almost never be allowed to take sides in an ideological dispute like this one.
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