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Honda and Toyota both offer hybrids that will achieve 50-60mpg. Perhaps you could get more but the car would be so slow it would be dangerous to drive it in traffic.gordontravels said:Where are the 50, 75 or 100 mile per gallon cars that we could be building? Where are our politicians who don't have to worry about gas mileage or the cost of a gallon UNLESS THEY WANT TO BE RE-ELECTED?
Good post Kandahar. I'd buy you a dark rich cup of coffee and talk with you. Your post was sure worth the time to read. :duel
taxpayer said:So let me get this straight!
You want to punish Americans with $5-$6.00 gas prices and $4-$5.00 HOME HEATING OIL to get our GOV and the automakers to provide us with alternative vehicles that they should be doing anyway???
In Bushs energy speech a few weeks ago he made NO mention of demanding HIGHER gas mileage from the Auto makers.
People just have to realise that the money hungry RICH loving President and congress that we have now do not want to and will NOT do anything about this problem!
BTW: European and other countrys pay $4-$5.00 a gallon for gas, BUT that includes $2-$3.00 in taxes!!!
taxpayer said:So let me get this straight!
You want to punish Americans with $5-$6.00 gas prices and $4-$5.00 HOME HEATING OIL to get our GOV and the automakers to provide us with alternative vehicles that they should be doing anyway???
taxpayer said:In Bushs energy speech a few weeks ago he made NO mention of demanding HIGHER gas mileage from the Auto makers.
taxpayer said:People just have to realise that the money hungry RICH loving President and congress that we have now do not want to and will NOT do anything about this problem!
BTW: European and other countrys pay $4-$5.00 a gallon for gas, BUT that includes $2-$3.00 in taxes!!!
Kandahar said:It's not a matter of punishing Americans, it's a matter of setting the proper economic climate. You say that the automakers "should be doing this anyway." Well, at the present time they don't really have much incentive to do so. If you were the CEO of Ford, why would you spend billions of dollars on R&D for hybrid or hydrogen cars, when you could instead spend that billions of dollars on automobiles that you *know* will sell? The only solution is to convince the auto manufacturers that there WILL be a demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles, because of the high price of fuel.
Of course not. He's not about to anger the oil lobby, which contributes lots of money to his campaign.
You're right. But what you don't mention is that this WORKS. As a result of high prices caused by high gasoline taxes, Europeans are more cautious about the amount of energy they waste. The relatively low prices in the United States and Canada are the primary reason that our nations are the most wasteful in the entire world.
gordontravels said:You're still ignoring the geography of our nation and how spread out our population really is. Part of our problem could be the 48 states instead of the limited number of countries such as in Europe. It does no good for Colorado and Utah to unite to provide transportation alternatives unless Florida, New York and California are a part of the equation. It has already been proven that our Amtrak system is a dinosaur waiting for the next comet to fall from the sky.
gordontravels said:I've often thought that we should have state regional groups to move our country forward. Six groups of 8 states each to work as a consortium and develop energy and transportation goals. Our federal government is saddled by Republicans and Democrats and only see their state even if on a committee. That committee takes something to the floor and it gets shot down because it left out Nebraska and Kansas while petting New York and California. Two Senators and a two party system can do that; impede progress because of politics.
Maybe a regional states group system should be considered or a mix of states with opposing problems. There must be some way to get Republicans and Democrats to work together or at least to work in the first place.
gordontravels said:Actually you need to stop worrying about a president you don't like and extend your self-education. The president has called on Congress to step up the CAFE standards for all vehicles in company fleets. This was some weeks ago and since the "rich loving" you point out so well in your partisanship must mean Republicans, you should understand what higher fuel prices really mean.
Let's say the Republicans are in the pocket of big business. I'm sure you enjoy that proposed thought. DuPont Chemical just announced price increases on over 35,000 of it's products because it is being hurt by those very fuel and oil prices. As many as 58% of CEO's say they plan on raising prices in the next year to try to keep up with higher costs brought about by the cost of oil. Look around your supermarket; from the wrap on cheese to the plastic containers in the deli to the bags you haul your groceries home in, oil is necessary in the manufacturing of everything. Can you spell Aloe Vera?
Your car? Upholstry, tires, dash, knobs, hoses, belts, nothing is exempt from the need for oil in the manufacturing process and the fuels to run the metal fabrication machines. Baby buggies, refridgerators, plumbing pipes, roofing tiles; anything you manufacture needs oil and fuel products.
Europe has been paying in the $5.00 range for petrol for years but I wasn't calling for higher prices to spur fuel economy. I was calling on the Democrats and Republicans. Where are the Democrats that have a voice in Congress as if the media wouldn't let you know if they have something to say? Where are the Republicans that take those ideas and set the agenda. Are these Democrats and Republicans working for us or not. Probably not. I's bi-partisan waste and Democrats and Republicans are so good at it.
If you want to get this country moving for the benefit of all of us then it's important to realize that Democrats and Republicans aren't going away. They simply need to learn to work together and quit worrying about 06 or 08 and get their butts to work in 05. Partisanship feeds less done on our behalf by promoting self promotion. We should expect our representatives to work for us now, regardless the party. :duel
xxxxxxxxxxxxxKandahar said:It's not a matter of punishing Americans, it's a matter of setting the proper economic climate. You say that the automakers "should be doing this anyway." Well, at the present time they don't really have much incentive to do so. If you were the CEO of Ford, why would you spend billions of dollars on R&D for hybrid or hydrogen cars, when you could instead spend that billions of dollars on automobiles that you *know* will sell? The only solution is to convince the auto manufacturers that there WILL be a demand for more fuel-efficient vehicles, because of the high price of fuel.
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Well it sure looks like they should have. Just about all of the car manufactures here are going broke. Didn't GM just file chapter 11 or what ever chapter.
And most auto manufactures bonds are now rated as JUNK bonds.
HOWEVER these auto companys will get a NO OR LOW interest bail out by our Gov and they know that, thats why they will wait until the last minute to give us some good mileage vehicles. Can we get that same NO or LOW interest rate from our Gov for our gas and heating oil? After all its OUR tax money too.
The Auto companys NEVER really gave us Americans a choice now, did they??? Where are all the alternative vehicles that we had a chance to choose from?
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Of course not. He's not about to anger the oil lobby, which contributes lots of money to his campaign.
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Agreed! LOL!
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You're right. But what you don't mention is that this WORKS. As a result of high prices caused by high gasoline taxes, Europeans are more cautious about the amount of energy they waste. The relatively low prices in the United States and Canada are the primary reason that our nations are the most wasteful in the entire world.
Those evil :devil: SUV's? So what are you driving?Snoozin said:
stsburns said:Those evil :devil: SUV's? So what are you driving?
Also I found this interesting on your source?
Yes the back window hatch does read "Just Married to the pump", this all goes to show you that evironmental issues can be solved by acting like teenagers, and writing with window paint can save the environment?
Is your civic modified? Have any pics? I believe I read in my last issue of Car and Driver, that Honda's get 40 mpg or more! Yea but we all need them no matter how much we dislike using them? We would like to get more of our own oil but sometimes other environmental groups conflict with those interests. About the paint, couldn't they just buy billboards? It would seem more effective? Everyone can see the Billboard, and they will see when they are driving?Snoozin said:I drive a Civic.
I'm just in favor of responsible consumption of nonsustainable fuel sources, and *not* in favor of US reliance on KSA oil.
Think of the window paint as a public awareness campaign.
modified civic? :lol:stsburns said:Is your civic modified? Have any pics? I believe I read in my last issue of Car and Driver, that Honda's get 40 mpg or more! Yea but we all need them no matter how much we dislike using them? We would like to get more of our own oil but sometimes other environmental groups conflict with those interests. About the paint, couldn't they just buy billboards? It would seem more effective? Everyone can see the Billboard, and they will see when they are driving?
stsburns said:Is your civic modified? Have any pics? I believe I read in my last issue of Car and Driver, that Honda's get 40 mpg or more! Yea but we all need them no matter how much we dislike using them? We would like to get more of our own oil but sometimes other environmental groups conflict with those interests. About the paint, couldn't they just buy billboards? It would seem more effective? Everyone can see the Billboard, and they will see when they are driving?
scottyz said:Wasn't it Reagan that decided we should get our oil from the Saudis?
scottyz said:Wasn't it Reagan that decided we should get our oil from the Saudis?
Kandahar said:I don't think anyone ever really "decided" that. The Saudis just happen to have a lot of oil and a relatively stable government.
Kandahar said:I don't think anyone ever really "decided" that. The Saudis just happen to have a lot of oil and a relatively stable government.
It was Reagan who ended the last U.S. oil boom by cementing ties with SA and giving them a bunch of money...cnredd said:Decisions became official under FDR...
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