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Garland names special counsel in Hunter Biden investigation

TomFitz said:
Sorry, but there is virtually no evidence of any sort of corruption related to Joe Biden in all his years in the Senate, or as Vice President.

You’re attempt to dismiss facts by labeling them as “old theories” is equally dishonest.

These were facts. Well known at the time, and widely reported.

The entire international community was worried about both corruption and continued Russian influence in Ukraine. And they publicly praised the Administration’s pressure on Kiev to remove Sholkin.
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Its not relevant that other people thought Shokin should be fired as well.
What matters is that Biden pushed for it a time it looks like the family was being paid to push for it as well.
 
jonny5 said:
Emails are just one of the pieces of evidence, but certainly there is some good stuff there.

Email view | BidenLaptopEmails Terminal

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And what exactly does that show except confirmation of salaries/payouts on a business deal/negotiations. You do understand what "equity" is, right? If you think of it as dividend payments for investment in real estate or real property, then you know what's being discussed here. Moreover, this has nothing to do with Ukraine nor foreign policy and everything to do with a business deal in the UAE.

Keep digging...maybe you'll find something of significance that really points to criminality amongst those 128,000 emails I referred you to last night. :coffee:
 
Objective Voice said:
And what exactly does that show except confirmation of salaries/payouts on a business deal/negotiations. You do understand what "equity" is, right? If you think of it as dividend payments for investment in real estate or real property, then you know what's being discussed here. Moreover, this has nothing to do with Ukraine nor foreign policy and everything to do with a business deal in the UAE.

Keep digging...maybe you'll find something of significance that really points to criminality amongst those 128,000 emails I referred you to last night. :coffee:
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Chinese funneling money through UAE companies to Hunter, for his dad. One such instance of many. You can keep denying, but the walls are closing in.⚗️⛲
 
JasperL said:
If you want to engage in ad hominems, that's fine, but do you have any evidence what Vanity Fair and others reported is false, or is what they reported just inconvenient for you?

You blew it up by ad hominems and then pointing out that while Jared Kushner has no experience successfully managing money, but he has lots of experience kissing MBS's back side, his brother does and his brother's firm didn't get the $2 billion in seed money?

How does that work? Why not give the money to Josh?

Just for example, my brother is a well known expert in his field. Anyone trusting ME to do what he does is a moron, because I don't have any expertise in his field, and his expertise doesn't somehow wear off on me because we share the same last name and mom and dad.
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Of course I disagree but that is not a bad contradiction to my points of view.
 
jonny5 said:
Chinese funneling money through UAE companies to Hunter, for his dad. One such instance of many. You can keep denying, but the walls are closing in.⚗️⛲
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But the Chinese didn't fund that venture, and even if they did and even if Joe was a silent or named partner, that's not a crime and it's not corrupt because Joe was out of government, he was a private citizen. So what the email shows is a proposed split, allocating some share to the 'big guy' who might be Joe, and that wasn't funded, but if it was and there were profits to distribute to Joe, if he was allocated a share, which isn't established, wouldn't be a crime.

Would such a thing be fair game for a political hit ad? Of course. What it's not is a criminal matter, because even if the fevered speculation of the GOP was true, there's absolutely nothing illegal or unethical about such a deal.

There's no question the Chinese funneled money directly to companies owned by DJT, his immediate family, and 'associates' before, during and after DJT was POTUS. That's OK but a crime or scandal if Joe does it, when he's no longer VP and not running for office? I don't understand even what the ALLEGATION is here, other than a possible political headache for Joe.
 
Objective Voice said:
And what exactly does that show except confirmation of salaries/payouts on a business deal/negotiations. You do understand what "equity" is, right? If you think of it as dividend payments for investment in real estate or real property, then you know what's being discussed here. Moreover, this has nothing to do with Ukraine nor foreign policy and everything to do with a business deal in the UAE.

Keep digging...maybe you'll find something of significance that really points to criminality amongst those 128,000 emails I referred you to last night. :coffee:
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That's what's incredible to me. They have Hunter's entire hard drive, full access to 128,000 emails (I assume that's correct) and all they can find is crap like that one, that don't show any crime even under the worst possible reading as it relates to Joe. They have all of Hunter's texts and the worst they can find is him whining to his daughter about poor him having to pay ALL the expenses for the ENTIRE family (obviously a lie) for 30 years, and having to give 'pops' half his salary, which is also an obvious lie, because there's exactly NO evidence of him paying over ANY of his salary to Joe, and which if it did happen you'd think would be in Hunter's financial records and somewhere on his hard drive.

Just for example, we often paid expenses on behalf of my mother in law, and we kept a detailed list of those expenses so we could then, on her behalf, write a check to ourselves from her account that we had full access to do to reimburse us for those expenses. But we're to believe there's not a single email from Eric saying something like, - "Hey Hunter, here's your earnings for the past quarter after taxes, so Joe's cut is half that, I'll make the transfer today."

Well they did find dick pics and evidence of tax crimes and addiction, which shows a lot of problems for Hunter, but last I checked, Hunter isn't in office or running for office.
 
JasperL said:
Similarly, George Santos is a POS, Trump is a crook, therefore, the entire GOP is corrupt!! David Weiss is corrupt because he's not putting Hunter in jail fast enough to suit me!!

Goose, gander, etc. I'm more than willing to engage without attacking YOUR ethics, but if you want to elevate disagreements into attacking mine, in part by lying about my positions, the presumption of good faith ends. Shrug...
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David Weiss is corrupt because he accepted the SC position after putting forth a plea deal that even a judge wouldn't agree to. You refuse to address that other than with you can't see the problem. I can't fix partisan blindness. Hence questions about whether you are posting in good faith.
 
OpportunityCost said:
David Weiss is corrupt because he accepted the SC position after putting forth a plea deal that even a judge wouldn't agree to. You refuse to address that other than with you can't see the problem. I can't fix partisan blindness. Hence questions about whether you are posting in good faith.
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Only a person without ethics and posting in bad faith, blinded by right wing partisanship, can hold those views. Disagreeing with David Weiss's handling of a case involving Hunter Biden, and not putting him in jail fast enough to suit YOU, and then asking and receiving SC status that allows him the ability to pursue all charges against Hunter without interference from DoJ and/or Garland, doesn't imply much less force any conclusion that Weiss is in fact 'corrupt.'

First of all, on the tax charges, it simply is not the practice of IRS or DoJ in my long experience to criminally prosecute someone for failing to file or pay. Hunter paid off his tax bills YEARS ago, and seeking a jail sentence in 2023 for problems addressed and resolved in 2019 or 2020, after he cleaned himself up, that to my knowledge involve no deliberate and material understatement of his taxes, simply isn't how it works. As I've said, what gets jail time is the kind of deliberately illegal tax evasion such as was done by Manafort, not routing your fees through US entities that filed the appropriate returns and reported the profits out to partners.

The gun was held illegally for 11 days. Worthy of jail? I'd say no, but YMMV and you can argue if you want for jailing him over that.

Second, what other 'crime' is suspect? If it's FARA, I really do not care, frankly. There's no evidence he lobbied Joe Biden, or urged him to take any action on behalf of his clients. You can believe that evidence must exist, but until you have it, I can't be persuaded to care. I know the various entities did engage other firms for their direct lobbying efforts. Is it possible Hunter might have also 'illegally' contacted someone in a lobbying capacity? Sure, but hiring actual lobbying firms for that role indicates to me at least a generalized intent to comply with the law, and testimony is that was their intent.

What else? Nothing that I see. So do you want Hunter jailed for a FARA violation that's not in the record, and if I don't agree it must be because I'm posting in bad faith and am unethical?
 
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jonny5 said:
Chinese funneling money through UAE companies to Hunter, for his dad. One such instance of many. You can keep denying, but the walls are closing in.⚗️⛲
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  1. Was Hunter Biden a government employee?
  2. Was the context of the email pertaining to or attempting to influence foreign policy between the U.S. and China?
  3. Did Hunter Biden send the email or was it directed directly to him?
  4. Was Joseph R. Biden VP in 2017?
  5. Does that email give any indication that foreign policy was an issue on the date it was written and subsequently submitted?
  6. Were Hunter Biden and/or Joseph R. Biden private citizens at the time that email was written and subsequently submitted?
Be brave enough to answer the above questions, then we can talk.
 
JasperL said:
That's what's incredible to me. They have Hunter's entire hard drive, full access to 128,000 emails (I assume that's correct) and all they can find is crap like that one, that don't show any crime even under the worst possible reading as it relates to Joe. They have all of Hunter's texts and the worst they can find is him whining to his daughter about poor him having to pay ALL the expenses for the ENTIRE family (obviously a lie) for 30 years, and having to give 'pops' half his salary, which is also an obvious lie, because there's exactly NO evidence of him paying over ANY of his salary to Joe, and which if it did happen you'd think would be in Hunter's financial records and somewhere on his hard drive.

Just for example, we often paid expenses on behalf of my mother in law, and we kept a detailed list of those expenses so we could then, on her behalf, write a check to ourselves from her account that we had full access to do to reimburse us for those expenses. But we're to believe there's not a single email from Eric saying something like, - "Hey Hunter, here's your earnings for the past quarter after taxes, so Joe's cut is half that, I'll make the transfer today."

Well they did find dick pics and evidence of tax crimes and addiction, which shows a lot of problems for Hunter, but last I checked, Hunter isn't in office or running for office.
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It's why I mentioned the IRS 3949A form, "Unreported Taxable Income" in this post:

https://debatepolitics.com/threads/...-investigation.519012/page-16#post-1078310895

If VP Biden has received any cash from his son in the amounts being alleged, he'd have to report it as income (unless he stashed in the Cayman Islands somewhere. (Oh, snap! I just gave them a wild goose to chase....dang it!)
 
Athanasius68 said:
Its not relevant that other people thought Shokin should be fired as well.
What matters is that Biden pushed for it a time it looks like the family was being paid to push for it as well.
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Biden didn't push for it. But the VP of the United States did follow orders.
 
Objective Voice said:
  1. Was Hunter Biden a government employee?
  2. Was the context of the email pertaining to or attempting to influence foreign policy between the U.S. and China?
  3. Did Hunter Biden send the email or was it directed directly to him?
  4. Was Joseph R. Biden VP in 2017?
  5. Does that email give any indication that foreign policy was an issue on the date it was written and subsequently submitted?
  6. Were Hunter Biden and/or Joseph R. Biden private citizens at the time that email was written and subsequently submitted?
Be brave enough to answer the above questions, then we can talk.
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No
Yes
To him
No
No
Yes

You want to rehash this with all the other thousands of pieces of evidence which add up to corruption? Be brave enough to accept reality. This has been concerning since 2008 at least.

Before the 2008 election, Mr Obama's team asked Mr Biden about his son Hunter.

The New York Times reported that the Obama campaign were concerned about Hunter's lobbying work and personal life and the potential public relations problems this could cause.

When an Obama campaign official flagged the issue, Mr Biden grew angry and warned “keep my family out of this”.
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OpportunityCost said:
David Weiss is corrupt because he accepted the SC position after putting forth a plea deal that even a judge wouldn't agree to. You refuse to address that other than with you can't see the problem. I can't fix partisan blindness. Hence questions about whether you are posting in good faith.
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you do realize the reason that the judge wouldn't allow it is because it violated Hunter Biden's rights?
 
Objective Voice said:
  1. Was Hunter Biden a government employee?
  2. Was the context of the email pertaining to or attempting to influence foreign policy between the U.S. and China?
  3. Did Hunter Biden send the email or was it directed directly to him?
  4. Was Joseph R. Biden VP in 2017?
  5. Does that email give any indication that foreign policy was an issue on the date it was written and subsequently submitted?
  6. Were Hunter Biden and/or Joseph R. Biden private citizens at the time that email was written and subsequently submitted?
Be brave enough to answer the above questions, then we can talk.
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jonny5 said:
No
Yes
To him
No
No
Yes

You want to rehash this with all the other thousands of pieces of evidence which add up to corruption? Be brave enough to accept reality. This has been concerning since 2008 at least.
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Sir, either you don't know how to read or you don't know what you're reading.

The email you linked to/posted was...

"From:" James Gilian
To: Tony Bobulinski
cc: (included) Hunter Biden - meaning he was being informed of the email's content.

Q: What did the email contain?

A: Details of an "enumeration package".

Q: What is an enumeration package?

A: A (total) remuneration package means the employer has set in place a policy that articulates how they are going to compensate an employee. A (total) remuneration package includes both financial and non-financial compensation and is considered taxable.

So, to more accurately answer my questions:
  • Was Hunter Biden a government employee? - No
  • Was the context of the email pertaining to or attempting to influence foreign policy between the U.S. and China? - No
  • Did Hunter Biden send the email or was it directed directly to him? - No, but he was a Cc: on the email
  • Was Joseph R. Biden VP in 2017? - No
  • Does that email give any indication that foreign policy was an issue on the date it was written and subsequently submitted? - No
  • Were Hunter Biden and/or Joseph R. Biden private citizens at the time that email was written and subsequently submitted? - Yes
You need to work harder at your reading comprehension skills.
 
jonny5 said:
No
Yes
To him
No
No
Yes

You want to rehash this with all the other thousands of pieces of evidence which add up to corruption? Be brave enough to accept reality. This has been concerning since 2008 at least.
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How was anyone involved going to influence policy with the US and China?
 
Athanasius68 said:
No. Obama had delegated to Biden the responsibility for developing American policy toward Ukraine.
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Wow. That Biden must be a super-capable and competent guy -- to sway most of the civilized world to go along with him.

I want a POTUS like that!!
 
AmbiguousGuy said:
Wow. That Biden must be a super-capable and competent guy -- to sway most of the civilized world to go along with him.

I want a POTUS like that!!
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It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thought.
 
Athanasius68 said:
He was crafting USA policy-- and the family was being paid for it.
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No, they were not....there was ZERO benefit to the Biden family for the prosecutor to be sacked...in fact, the testimony showed that it was the opposite...that Shokin being fired was BAD for Burisma.....
 
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