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See post #74 above.
See above post #74.
Not just NYPD being abusive, nationwide we are seeing increased abuse of power and militarization of the police. Public apathy and support of such abuse only make things worst as our jurors seemingly are very reluctant to convict them and therefore they get the free pass to abuse more.
See above
Yes, because calling for the police to be held to the same standard as everyone else is clearly a "hate-filled diatribe". Do you honestly believe that the best way to deal with an elderly man who poses no significant threat to you is to put him on the ground and cuff him? Are the police not supposed to "protect and serve"? How is it that you willfully ignore the many well-documented cases of police brutality, and appeal only to the laws protecting the officers in question from legal challenge, as a valid source of authority? Do you believe that the police should be exempt from individual reasoning and common sense?Wow....just wow, man
Your continued hate-filled diatribe against law enforcement is really getting old
Points to clarify
1 Jaywalking is a civil infraction but also disorderly conduct can also be cited when *said* pedestrian impedes vehicular traffic (misdemeanor crime)
2 Obstructing, the officer *also a misdemeanor crime* and finally, the old man shoving/pushing a police officer is I believe a class C felony.
The bottom line is.. any subject old/young/male/female who shoves/pushes a cop should not expect a shove in return.
The law is crystal clear, you can’t shove/push a police officer
Yes, because calling for the police to be held to the same standard as everyone else is clearly a "hate-filled diatribe". Do you honestly believe that the best way to deal with an elderly man who poses no significant threat to you is to put him on the ground and cuff him? Are the police not supposed to "protect and serve"? How is it that you willfully ignore the many well-documented cases of police brutality, and appeal only to the laws protecting the officers in question from legal challenge, as a valid source of authority? Do you believe that the police should be exempt from individual reasoning and common sense?
Do you really believe that they should respond to any and every act of perceived disobedience or challenge to their authority with fist and club? This is what you are advocating.
According to the police, and the police alone. If I'm wrong, please post a link of eyewitnesses reporting this man starting a fight with the police.
And it's not wrong for you to persist in making up stuffs against the octagenarian who had no run-in with the law before but a productive and contributing member of society in favor of the notorious NYPD cops?Because just as it is wrong to hold other people accountable for past actions of some that they fit into a category with, it is also wrong to do this with police officers.
The man fought against the police and was being arrested for fighting the police over a simple ticket that should have been fought in court. During that arrest, the man somehow hit his head, receiving an injury. This is not a case of police brutality.
This is what Ian King said:Wrong. This is according to the witness in the first story quoted in the OP, Ian King. And the man himself, Kang Wong even says that he was trying to get his ID card back from the police officer because he felt it was taking too long.
This is what Ian King said:
“The guy didn’t seem to speak English. The cop walked him over to the Citibank” near the northeast corner of 96th and Broadway, said one witness, Ian King, a Fordham University law student.
“[The officer] stood him up against the wall and was trying to write him a ticket. The man didn’t seem to understand, and he started walking away.
“The cop tried to pull him back, and that’s when he began to struggle with the cop,” said King, 24. “As soon as he pushed the cop, it was like cops started running in from everywhere.”
Cops bloody old man
Clearly, the old man was reacting to the cop pulling him back while he was walking away. It's no crime to ask the police for your ID back unless you want to make stuff up and again claim the old man just snatch it back.
Yeah, an 84 year-old man. And how frail is the cop? You need a reality check.It is a crime to fight with the police. It was reported that the man pushed the cop (right there in your quote). You cannot push a police officer. That is not simply asking for your ID card back. And while it may not be a crime to ask for the card back, neither does the police officer have to give it back til he/she is done with it.
Yeah, an 84 year-old man. And how frail is the cop? You need a reality check.
Obviously totalitarianism is your cup of tea. I got it.Doesn't matter. It is still a crime to push a cop, no matter your age or how much damage is done by the push.
Obviously totalitarianism is your cup of tea. I got it.
You are anything but rational on this issue. The cop harassed the old man for crossing the intersection and you turn the table around? How's the police protecting the people when mob behaving crotch riders are running around terrorizing the streets of NYC and this cop is harassing this old man for jaywalking that results in him bloodied and in hospital?No. I prefer rationality. The police doing their job to protect us and not being harassed by people who are inconvenienced by the police doing their job, so they attempt to fight those police. I prefer rational dialog instead of overdramatization of a situation. I prefer people who do not automatically assume the police are at fault based on personal biases against the police when a situation arises.
What is irrational is saying the cop harassed the guy.You are anything but rational on this issue. The cop harassed the old man for crossing the intersection and you turn the table around? How's the police protecting the people when mob behaving crotch riders are running around terrorizing the streets of NYC and this cop is harassing this old man for jaywalking that results in him bloodied and in hospital?
You are not rational at all.
You are anything but rational on this issue. The cop harassed the old man for crossing the intersection and you turn the table around? How's the police protecting the people when mob behaving crotch riders are running around terrorizing the streets of NYC and this cop is harassing this old man for jaywalking that results in him bloodied and in hospital?
You are not rational at all.
"emotional diatribe"? I see you've been exconized pretty good.Good work on the emotional diatribe of irrationality here.
No one was "harassed". He was being given a ticket for jaywalking, something completely within a law enforcement officer's job. If he wants to contest the ticket, contest it in court. Do not push the police officer giving you the ticket. And no, it was not the jaywalking ticket that left the man bloodied and in the hospital. It was his actions in struggling with the police officers.
Your debate record sucks, therefore you have no standing whatsoever to talk about rationality vs irrationality. You're dismissed.What is irrational is saying the cop harassed the guy.
"emotional diatribe"? I see you've been exconized pretty good.
Yes, the old man was harassed for crossing the intersection by the abusive cop whose interest was to meet the quotas to fill the coffer. If you want to live in a fascist police state where the police watch your portion size and tell you what to eat and how much to eat and where to walk and when not to walk, by all means go back to where you crawl from instead of trying to violate our individual liberty guaranteed by our Constitution.
:dohYour debate record sucks, therefore you have no standing whatsoever to talk about rationality vs irrationality. You're dismissed.
Keep on harping with your "fight in court" mantra. It's probably the best thing you can dish out for now.Fight in courts. Not on the street. Only idiots who want to get arrested try to fight tickets on the street, with the cop. Any rational person knows that you have a much better chance (a really good chance in fact if you are an old man getting a jaywalking ticket) of fighting the ticket in court and winning (not having to pay the ticket). But you don't have such a good chance when you push or fight with the police officer giving you the ticket on the street.
And no, harassment involves inappropriately approaching a person in a way that is meant to disturb or upset a person. While giving the ticket may have upset the man, that was not the intent of the actual ticket. The intent was to give monetary incentive to the man not to jaywalk. This was absolutely not harassment.
Given my previous tedious dealing with your diatribes and your known record I'd rather debate with an echo wall decorated with some parrots as sidekicks. At least I can climb the wall when I get bored and feel like it.:doh
iLOL
As evidenced by this thread alone, you are clearly speaking of your own record.
:lamo
:lamoGiven my previous tedious dealing with your diatribes and your known record I'd rather debate with an echo wall decorated with some parrots as sidekicks. At least I can climb the wall when I get bored and feel like it.
Now, go down to the basement and collect your dungeon trophy. Or do you need me to go down there to add my name to the list in honor of your thuggish debate skill?
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