Game of Thrones Season 4 Thread [W:197]

[Gathomas88]

haha ya I caught that. Sorry.

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I just think that a Cat scene would leave non-readers going wtf

True. It might, which is honestly why I would've preferred that they do it at the end of last season.

However, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it turns out. :shrug:

 

[Gathomas88]

George R.R. Martin's Open Letter About the Deaths in Game of Thrones - Dorkly Post

This is great. :lol:

 

[marduc]

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I'm pretty sure that the babies don't really come up until the next book. The rest of it is pretty much spot-on, however.

They've still got a lot of ground to cover this book. We can say that much for sure.

I'll be surprised if they manage to wrap it all up in the next episode.

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Yeah I was mistaken, I thought the baby thing and samwell and company's journey started at the end of this book, but the swap was not revealed until the next book, having just took a quick peek via the magic of google that journey does not start until the beginning of the next one though - so take that off the list, still a **** ton of ground to cover in one episode

 

[Jerry]

......

 

[clownboy]

The whole episode felt fake and disconnected for me. As if they spent all their budget and goodness on last week's episode.

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Can't wait for next week to see the Children of the Forest. Does anyone who has read the books know, does Bran ever get his legs back?

 

[Philly Boss]

The whole episode felt fake and disconnected for me. As if they spent all their budget and goodness on last week's episode.

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Can't wait for next week to see the Children of the Forest. Does anyone who has read the books know, does Bran ever get his legs back?

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nah. He's gonna warg into a tree and never wake up so even if he regained the physical ability of his legs it wouldn't matter cause he'd never use them again

 

[Jerry]

If memory serves...

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When Robert Berathian began his rebellion against The Mad King, Lord Stark hired a fishing boat in order to get home unnoticed and call his bannermen to war. A storm swept the ship and the capitan died, but the capitan's daughter survived and saw Stark to port against incredible odds with the crippled ship. Stark left the girl with a sack of silver and a bastard in her belly.

That bastard's name is John Snow.

 

[Gathomas88]

If memory serves...

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When Robert Berathian began his rebellion against The Mad King, Lord Stark hired a fishing boat in order to get home unnoticed and call his bannermen to war. A storm swept the ship and the capitan died, but the capitan's daughter survived and saw Stark to port against incredible odds with the crippled ship. Stark left the girl with a sack of silver and a bastard in her belly.

That bastard's name is John Snow.

Well, that's one version of the story, anyway.

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The other strong possibility is that Jon Snow is actually the bastard son of Lyanna Stark (Ned Stark's dead younger sister), and Rhaegar Targaryen (Dragon girl's dead eldest brother, and the Mad King's first heir) which resulted from their elopement together before Robert's rebellion.

When Ned finally found Lyanna, she was described as lying in a "bed of blood" on the verge of death. She made Ned promise her something, and then died.

No one knows what that promise was. What we do know, however, was that Ned came back home with a new baby boy when he returned from the the war, and was unwilling to tell anyone the mother's true identity even until the day he died.

 

[Philly Boss]

wasnt a huge fan of this finale. it was ok. making tywin a co-conspirator in Tyrion's revenge on him seem less robust.

 

[Gathomas88]

wasnt a huge fan of this finale. it was ok. making tywin a co-conspirator in Tyrion's revenge on him seem less robust.

Arrrrg. They almost completely botched Tywin's death scene, IMO.

Why in the Hell did they leave out the big reveal concerning Tyrion's first wife?

"Wherever whores go, I suppose."

 

[Philly Boss]

Arrrrg. They almost completely botched Tywin's death scene, IMO.

Why in the Hell did they leave out the big reveal concerning Tyrion's first wife?

"Wherever whores go, I suppose."

I wasn't surprised. They haven't even mentioned Tysha in passing since the one scene in Season 1. But I guess this confirms for us book readers that she's not going to show up and play a major role later on. Tyrion also not bitter at Jamie with this version of events, interesting.

 

[Enola]

I loved where Tyrion offed daddy. Fitting, lol.

I am going to miss The Hound. Unless....he didn't die.

 

[Enola]

I just read the open letter from Martin about the deaths. What a dick!

 

[Gathomas88]

I wasn't surprised. They haven't even mentioned Tysha in passing since the one scene in Season 1. But I guess this confirms for us book readers that she's not going to show up and play a major role later on. Tyrion also not bitter at Jamie with this version of events, interesting.

True. The change simply irritated me as it robbed Tyrion of most of his motivation for that scene, and also made the whole event a lot less emotionally charged, and therefore resonant, than it was in the books.

Believing that his first real love was actually a whore paid off by Jamie, and witnessing the brutality Tywin inflicted upon the girl in retaliation for this, were huge parts of what made Tyrion the man he is today. They lead him to a life of whoring and drink, and his relationship with Shea.

I could legitimately buy that Jamie's confession in the dungeon that the woman in question actually wasn't a whore, but a normal peasant girl, and Tywin had been lying (and forcing Jamie to lie) this whole time in order to cover up the fact that he had had Tyrion's first wife raped and brutalized more or less out of spite alone, would put Tyrion in a state of mind conducive to multiple homicide. It's simply more believable than the idea that he would do it for no other reason than being somewhat more miffed at his father than usual.

It also makes his discovery of Shea (the second 'whore' Tyrion has ever truly loved) in Tywin's bed a "one-two" punch for his emotional state.

What we saw tonight was simply underwhelming by way of contrast.

 

[Paschendale]

Lack of Coldhands and Tysha makes me a sad Pasch. It really robbed Tyrion of a lot of his motivation for the murder and his subsequent journey. I liked the Brienne / Hound fight. This season was weird for the Hound in general. He and Arya only travel together for a few chapters. His death was stretched out over the season. They alluded to it twice in previous episodes, when he was injured in previous fights, even getting the fatal bite on his neck several episodes ago. The same was true of the Stannis storyline. It's fine for him to disappear for several hundred pages, but his side trip to Braavos when he got the letter from the Night's Watch at the end of last season dragged it out.

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Sadly, I expect a lot of the next two seasons to be a bit dull. Because the next two books are a bit dull. But I'm looking forward to the Jon/Stannis bits, more Arya, Jamie's adventures, maybe Dorne and the Greyjoys, too. But a lot of our main characters are going to just sit around on their backsides for the next two years. Danaerys, Cersei, Brienne, and Tyrion are going to be so boring. But Jon and Stannis is going to be fun.

 

[Paschendale]

Also, let's all wish Tywin a happy father's day!

 

[Ben K.]

I just read the open letter from Martin about the deaths. What a dick!

That wasnt actually the author.

 

[Enola]

Does anyone have a clue about why cersei is all up in Dr. Frankensteins experiments on The Mountain? What was that all about anyway?

 

[clownboy]

Does anyone have a clue about why cersei is all up in Dr. Frankensteins experiments on The Mountain? What was that all about anyway?

Yeah, I'd like to know that as well. She's pretty much the last evil Lannister left.

And btw, wish they had done something different with the Children of the Forest. Looks too much like a street kid from a slum. A little more alien/different species look. Creativity very much lacking on that one.

I did love the whole Arya/Brianna/Hound scenes though. Arya is one of my favorite characters.

 

[Enola]

Maybe I shouldn't say this...but I am beginning to dislike Arya. Not sure why, either. Maybe I miss what she once was because she is now turning into another Tywin. Soulless.

 

[sangha]

Maybe I shouldn't say this...but I am beginning to dislike Arya. Not sure why, either. Maybe I miss what she once was because she is now turning into another Tywin. Soulless.

Nothing wrong with that. I see exactly what you mean

But I still like her.

 

[Philly Boss]

True. The change simply irritated me as it robbed Tyrion of most of his motivation for that scene, and also made the whole event a lot less emotionally charged, and therefore resonant, than it was in the books.

Believing that his first real love was actually a whore paid off by Jamie, and witnessing the brutality Tywin inflicted upon the girl in retaliation for this, were huge parts of what made Tyrion the man he is today. They lead him to a life of whoring and drink, and his relationship with Shea.

I could legitimately buy that Jamie's confession in the dungeon that the woman in question actually wasn't a whore, but a normal peasant girl, and Tywin had been lying (and forcing Jamie to lie) this whole time in order to cover up the fact that he had had Tyrion's first wife raped and brutalized more or less out of spite alone, would put Tyrion in a state of mind conducive to multiple homicide. It's simply more believable than the idea that he would do it for no other reason than being somewhat more miffed at his father than usual.

It also makes his discovery of Shea (the second 'whore' Tyrion has ever truly loved) in Tywin's bed a "one-two" punch for his emotional state.

What we saw tonight was simply underwhelming by way of contrast.

I agree. I think it's odd that they even bothered using screen time to have Tyrion tell the Tysha story in season 1 if they weren't going to give the payoff in this scene. Maybe they originally intended to, but they would have had to touch back on that story multiple times between season 1 and now to make it work and found they couldn't fit it in.

The other big thing this departs from the book on now is Tyrion's attitude toward Jamie. They parted with a loving embrace, rather than with Tyrion wishing death upon Jamie. To me this all indicates things about the books that are yet to be published. Book Tyrion wants revenge on Cersei first and foremost but wouldn't care if Jamie goes down with her. Show Tyrion still loves Jamie. So unless they spin something else in to make Tyrion sour on Jaime in the show, we can assume he's going to avoid causing Jaime any harm if the possibility ever presents itself.

 

[Gathomas88]

Does anyone have a clue about why cersei is all up in Dr. Frankensteins experiments on The Mountain? What was that all about anyway?

Yeah, I'd like to know that as well.

Right now, I think it's about trying to save the Mountain more than anything else. It takes a darker turn later on, however.

That's pretty much to be expected, given Cersei's personality.

She's pretty much the last evil Lannister left.

You don't know the half of it. :lol:

Did you think she was paranoid, irrational, and erratic before? Just wait until you see what she's like after she discovers Tywin's murder, and is given free reign to govern the kingdom as she sees fit.

And btw, wish they had done something different with the Children of the Forest. Looks too much like a street kid from a slum. A little more alien/different species look. Creativity very much lacking on that one.

Agreed. The least they could've done was give the actor some facial prosthetics to make them appear more alien.

What we saw last night was literally nothing more than a pre-pubescent girl wrapped in rags.

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Also, for the record, I'm just about positive that Tywin already knew about Jamie and Cersei. He basically said as much through his "children with the last name Lannister" comment directed at Jamie a couple of episodes back.

It honestly came off like he was playing coy with Cersei more than anything else.

 

[Philly Boss]

I think Cersei basically hit the nail on the head when she said something to Tywin along the lines of "you'd never allow yourself to believe it". He wasn't being coy, he was in denial.

 

[Rainman05]

I just read the open letter from Martin about the deaths. What a dick!

This is the letter:

George R.R. Martin's Open Letter About the Deaths in Game of Thrones - Dorkly Post

Which is a fake btw. It's entirely written by someone else.