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Gabby Giffords: Expanding Background Checks Only the ‘First Step’

=Bucky;1069515577]Actually, my city passed a tax on sugary drinks and it has raised $10 million for healthy foods and better education. They should honestly take it a step further and tax all sugary drinks including coffee/milk beverages.
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Well Bucky do that in your city and watch the prices go up... oh you have seen the increase already you say? They tried something of that nature in OR. years ago by suggesting a 10 ¢ tax on latte's and cappuccino stands. People that frequent them threw a fit. No tax increase.
A gun/ammo tax can be used for things that you like: Gun training and safety. I am guessing you are not opposed to that???
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I noticed in post 3 of yours it was just a gun tax. Four post later you have bid it up. You really think your gun/ammo tax would go to gun training and safety? It will go into anti gun legislation, insert name here ________________ of favorite anti gun politician.
 
Bucky said:
You are equating using a gun as some sort of right, which it isn't. You think a person should not be legally required to have gun training in order to get a gun license.

It is as almost you are equating a person being able to use a gun to a person being able to have sex. But guess what? There are laws against rape and incest. A person cannot just arbitrarily have sex with anyone they want.

Using a gun isn't some sort of codified right.
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You don't understand the meaning of the word 'inalienable'.

The Constitution doesn't BESTOW rights. It places restrictions on the government to ensure national rights (inalienable) are secured.
 
iguanaman said:
The Sandy Hook shooters mother purchased her AR-15 legally and was not even informed that keeping a firearm in a household with a mentally unstable young male is very dangerous. Don't you think we can at least deal with that problem?
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You dont think she knew that? She bought a gun safe. She kept the AR, shotgun, and pistol IN the gun safe. He KILLED her to get to the AR, shotgun, and pistol.
 
Bucky said:
I would like a tax, not a law.
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A tax, which requires the passage of a law, with the intent of Infringing on people’s right. Hard pass.
 
Bucky said:
You are equating using a gun as some sort of right, which it isn't. You think a person should not be legally required to have gun training in order to get a gun license.

It is as almost you are equating a person being able to use a gun to a person being able to have sex. But guess what? There are laws against rape and incest. A person cannot just arbitrarily have sex with anyone they want.

Using a gun isn't some sort of codified right.
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:blink: :doh
 
Bucky said:
Not it isn't.
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Wow, just wow. Do you actually live in the US? Or are you just pretending?

PS: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
Bucky said:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/01/08/gabby-giffords-expanding-backgrounds-first-step/

California imo would be a good model for many other states. A Safety Certificate is a great idea.

Although a citizen should be able to buy more than one handgun a month if they want.
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Surprise, surprise. Banners, who state they are not really coming after your guns state this is just the first step toward banning your guns.

Cho (VT) bought his guns one at a time and passed background checks.

Laughner, re. Gifford passed a background check.

Sandy Hook? Legally owned guns stolen from his murdered mom.

Lakeland? Legally purchased

Aurora? There too.

Vegas? Yup, Background checks on legal guns.

St Louis? 60/100,000 residents. Not a check in sight. Mostly stolen guns.

Not 1 of these deaths would have been stopped with background checks.
 
VanceMack said:
You dont think she knew that? She bought a gun safe. She kept the AR, shotgun, and pistol IN the gun safe. He KILLED her to get to the AR, shotgun, and pistol.
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Umm No he shot his mother dead with her own gun and there is no evidence of any "gun safe".

At an unknown time, 20-year-old Adam Lanza kills his mother Nancy, 52, with a .22 caliber Savage Mark II rifle. Lanza then drives his mother's car to Sandy Hook Elementary, about five miles away.
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https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/connecticut-shootings-fast-facts/index.html
 
iguanaman said:
Umm No he shot his mother dead with her own gun.


https://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/us/connecticut-shootings-fast-facts/index.html
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Indeed. He used a .22 caliber rifle to kill his mother to gain access to the safe.

Do you think he wouldnt have stabbed her?

Its funny...you post **** like you think you are making a point. What did I say?

She bought a safe and put the AR, pistols and shotgun in the safe. He killed her to get into the safe.

Now...what did the article say?

"Lanza used a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S rifle during the shooting spree. Three weapons were found next to his body; the semiautomatic .223-caliber rifle made by Bushmaster, and two handguns. An Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun was found in his car"
 
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Black Dog said:
Wow, just wow. Do you actually live in the US? Or are you just pretending?

PS: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Keeping arms and using arms are two completely different things.
 
jimbo said:
Surprise, surprise. Banners, who state they are not really coming after your guns state this is just the first step toward banning your guns.

Cho (VT) bought his guns one at a time and passed background checks.

Laughner, re. Gifford passed a background check.

Sandy Hook? Legally owned guns stolen from his murdered mom.

Lakeland? Legally purchased

Aurora? There too.

Vegas? Yup, Background checks on legal guns.

St Louis? 60/100,000 residents. Not a check in sight. Mostly stolen guns.

Not 1 of these deaths would have been stopped with background checks.
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All correct. Obviously...since background checks are being used and NOT stopping these incidents, the brain-dead former congresswoman and anti-gun advocate will call for MORE background checks. It just makes sense. Thats what you would expect form someone brain-dead.
 
Bucky said:
Keeping arms and using arms are two completely different things.
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keeping and bearing arms. Funny how you try to quote it out of context to suit your own dishonest and corrupt ideology.
 
VanceMack said:
All correct. Obviously...since background checks are being used and NOT stopping these incidents, the brain-dead former congresswoman and anti-gun advocate will call for MORE background checks. It just makes sense. Thats what you would expect form someone brain-dead.
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Mrs. Giffords was shot in the head. You should be ashamed of yourself using the term "brain-dead." An absolute disgrace!!!
 
VanceMack said:
Indeed. He used a .22 caliber rifle to kill his mother to gain access to the safe.

Do you think he wouldnt have stabbed her?

Its funny...you post **** like you think you are making a point. What did I say?

She bought a safe and put the AR, pistols and shotgun in the safe. He killed her to get into the safe.

Now...what did the article say?

"Lanza used a Bushmaster Model XM15-E2S rifle during the shooting spree. Three weapons were found next to his body; the semiautomatic .223-caliber rifle made by Bushmaster, and two handguns. An Izhmash Saiga-12, 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun was found in his car"
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No mention of any safe and if she used one how did he shoot her? Where did you hear about this safe anyway? If she had one what good was it if she didn't put her guns in it?
 
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Black Dog said:
keeping and bearing arms. Funny how you try to quote it out of context to suit your own dishonest and corrupt ideology.
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Your friend Vance Mack thinks it is unconstitutional to demand someone to get a gun license before shooting a gun.

You want to talk about a dishonest and corrupt ideology.
 
Bucky said:
Mrs. Giffords was shot in the head. You should be ashamed of yourself using the term "brain-dead." An absolute disgrace!!!
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:lamo

Re-read your post.
 
Black Dog said:
Wow, just wow. Do you actually live in the US? Or are you just pretending?

PS: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Given that "well regulated" directly contradicts "not be infringed," it appears the Founding Fathers weren't thinking very clearly when they approved that language.
 
Bucky said:
Your friend Vance Mack thinks it is unconstitutional to demand someone to get a gun license before shooting a gun.

You want to talk about a dishonest and corrupt ideology.
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Because it would be. You do not need the state to give you training to practice a right. What part of right do you not understand?
 
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