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Translation:Thats a bit outdated. None of you libs believe a word of that,
I dont know the extent to which we are involved beyond the obvious intel sharing and weapons supplies. What we arent involved in is the actual fighting. If you want to argue that Russia and Iran are our enemies, then we are backing proxies in Ukraine and Israel to fight them. Is this a bad thing? I dont think so. The argument for helping Ukraine is that the war is weakening Russia. Is the same not true for Iran? I was a bit apprehensive when this war with Iran began, but now that Israel has the clear upper hand, I see no reason to 'de-escalate.' At least not right nowAlright, bud, I'll give you a chill chat on this.
My question would be, given how much money you pour into Isreal every year ($3.8 billion a year until 2028 under the current MOU), why wouldn't Trump be involved in how that is spent? If he truly wasn't involved (I have no idea so I have no opinion), shouldn't he be? An ally you fund just entered into what could turn into a years long commitment.
Given that you (and a bunch of the rest of us, to a lesser extent - Canada, for example, sends war materials rather than money) fund this shit, should you not be consulted? Or is it more of a blank check kind of arrangement, in which case are you good with that?
If I give you a stick in your battle with your neighbor, does your neighbor have a legit beef with me?And? Explain why it is a bad thing for someone other than us to try and take down the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the world and a member of the modern day Axil of evil?
Why? Be the first lib to make an actual argument.Sane people would. No wonder you're con-fused.
Yes. But Iran has had a beef with us for almost 50 years. And us with them. And again, we have handed Ukraine a stick to beat Russia with, why are you not worried about Russia having a beef with us?If I give you a stick in your battle with your neighbor, does your neighbor have a legit beef with me?
Well that's the problem. The administration was supposedly in talks then everything went sideways when Israel decided to take its shot.I have no problem answering that. I just didnt respomd earlier because it was a stupid question. We can negotiate a peaceful deal. And if that doesnt work we can bomb the shit out of them
Do you understand the nature of their beef with us?Yes. But Iran has had a beef with us for almost 50 years. And us with them.
I thought we were not going to continue supporting Ukraine militarily. Has this changed?And again, we have handed Ukraine a stick to beat Russia with, why are you not worried about Russia having a beef with us?
Ok. Maybe Iran should have worked a little harder at getting a deal done. Now, Iran will have to spend billions rebuilding rather than funding terrorists. That strikes me as a good thing.Well that's the problem. The administration was supposedly in talks then everything went sideways when Israel decided to take its shot.
Can you stay with the topic?Yes. But Iran has had a beef with us for almost 50 years. And us with them. And again, we have handed Ukraine a stick to beat Russia with, why are you not worried about Russia having a beef with us?
We are still supporting them. But the question here is should we be supporting de-escalation or letting Israel finish the job?Do you understand the nature of their beef with us?
I thought we were not going to continue supporting Ukraine militarily. Has this changed?
I am on topic. Plus I am responding to your posts. So if we are going off topic, it is you who are leading us there.Can you stay with the topic?
I dont know the extent to which we are involved beyond the obvious intel sharing and weapons supplies. What we arent involved in is the actual fighting. If you want to argue that Russia and Iran are our enemies, then we are backing proxies in Ukraine and Israel to fight them. Is this a bad thing? I dont think so. The argument for helping Ukraine is that the war is weakening Russia. Is the same not true for Iran? I was a bit apprehensive when this war with Iran began, but now that Israel has the clear upper hand, I see no reason to 'de-escalate.' At least not right now
There were talks going on, and this administration's position was centered around many of the same conditions that existed under the JCPOA but with more inspection strings attached. Then Trump changed his mind on the subject of having nuclear energy and took it off the table so talks stalled.Ok. Maybe Iran should have worked a little harder at getting a deal done.
It's an odd position to take thinking striking up more animus through violence is going to solve this situation, and Israel building good will in the region isn't going to be helped much by this either.Now, Iran will have to spend billions rebuilding rather than funding terrorists. That strikes me as a good thing.
But with threats to cut it off.We are still supporting them.
First we should start with what "the job" is. How are you defining it?But the question here is should we be supporting de-escalation or letting Israel finish the job?
I could be wrong, but I think Israel actually pays for most of its military hardware. Since 1948, the US has given Israel $148 billion is aid. About the same amount we have given Ukraine since 2022. So I am not sure that this attack on Iran is really costing us all that much. Plus the main goal here is to destroy Irans ability to get nukes and to fund the terrorist organizations that are killing Israeli civilians. Iran has been at war with Israel for decades. Israel just took the war to them. I say lets see how it plays out.So, I think the primary reason for de-escalation, if one gives no thought to the human cost, would be the financial cost.
Would you rather see de-escalation in the fighting or acceleration of your tax dollars going to fund a war that doesn't really seem to benefit you directly, outside of the war materials industry.
I also wonder about the Ukraine reference, as i thought the narrative was that spending money in Ukraine is not desirable, given the fact that that money is needed within your borders. I would suggest Israel is far less important geographically to America than Ukraine, given the relationships America has developed in the middle east.
I guess I'm left to wonder what the ROI for America is in continuing to invest in forever wars in the middle east, especially when we're talking about "preemptive" military actions vs strictly defensive responses to being attacked.
Much of the Arab world are not fans of Iran any more than we or the Israelis are. As for Trump, he thinks he can strike a deal with anyone. Maybe he thought he could get Iran to agree on something or maybe he was stalling to get Israel more time to prepare. Who know? And who cares at this point. A significantly weakened Iran means they have less ability to support terrorists and assist Russia in its war with Ukraine. And we now know that a nuclear armed Iran is not going to happen anytime soon. These are all good things and with any luck, that evil regime may actually collapse. Lets give it a few more days and see what happens.There were talks going on, and this administration's position was centered around many of the same conditions that existed under the JCPOA but with more inspection strings attached. Then Trump changed his mind on the subject of having nuclear energy and took it off the table so talks stalled.
It's an odd position to take thinking striking up more animus through violence is going to solve this situation, and Israel building good will in the region isn't going to be helped much by this either.
Is this the presser?Loved how Carney cut off the rant and ended the presser.
Why would anyone support de-escalation right now? Iran is the worlds leading sponsor of terrorism and
Israel has them on the ropes. I say finish them off.
In the lead-up to the Iraq War, the George W. Bush administration, along with the British government, asserted that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) and posed an imminent threat.Israel is attempting to defang the power behind those trying to destroy them. Keeping nukes out of the hands of the Mullahs makes the world safer. Or dont you understand that?
Like they gave to Josh Allen...lol.
Fletch wants to give Trump a participation Trophy for trying.
It's not that simple, and some nations do maintain ties and relations. What most of the Arab world seems to be leaning intoMuch of the Arab world are not fans of Iran any more than we or the Israelis are.
The lack of a real game plan here is the concerning part, especially since you have Israel that's keen on eliminating the regime altogether and whatever it is Trump thinks he can get out of this. What's important to realize is Iran has not been totally decimated, so it's a bit optimistic to think they're done. What's more important is to see what's next, because toppling the regime is likely a bad idea since who replaces is it is anyone's guess, and our track record toppling regimes in Iran is pretty bad.As for Trump, he thinks he can strike a deal with anyone. Maybe he thought he could get Iran to agree on something or maybe he was stalling to get Israel more time to prepare. Who know? And who cares at this point. A significantly weakened Iran means they have less ability to support terrorists and assist Russia in its war with Ukraine. And we now know that a nuclear armed Iran is not going to happen anytime soon. These are all good things and with any luck, that evil regime may actually collapse. Lets give it a few more days and see what happens.
Because of "Bibi's" actions,Much of the Arab world are not fans of Iran any more than we or the Israelis are. As for Trump, he thinks he can strike a deal with anyone. Maybe he thought he could get Iran to agree on something or maybe he was stalling to get Israel more time to prepare. Who know? And who cares at this point. A significantly weakened Iran means they have less ability to support terrorists and assist Russia in its war with Ukraine. And we now know that a nuclear armed Iran is not going to happen anytime soon. These are all good things and with any luck, that evil regime may actually collapse. Lets give it a few more days and see what happens.
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