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From the people who want $15 an hour minimum wage for unskilled workers

Sure it's important for those jobs to get done, and certainly everyone including the employer should appreciate the people who do them, but I think it's a stretch to say they're the most important jobs. In a pinch, doctors could fill in for janitors and scrub the toilets themselves, but janitors could not fill in for doctors.
If you're a tax accountant in need of processing returns on the deadline and have no one to do the grunt work making sure those returns are file stamped properly and on time then you don't have a business, If they are done incorrectly by someone who's paid a slave wage that doesn't care about what they're doing, then the result is that you lose business.
 
The right doesn't want govt interfering with labor/pay/market because it interferes with with being able to utilize slave labor and pay employees pennies. There is no such thing as a "free market" Government sets the rules. Companies that pay employees **** wages would pay them less if they could get away with it. My employers ideology is that you pay all the employees what they're truly worth, realize that they are assets. In return you get quality performance and very low turnover. Complete juxtaposition from a company say like Wal-Mart.

happy for you that you found a company willing to pay above market rates for your job

i hope during this period, you are increasing your skills, as you may not be so lucky next time around

some companies would pay lower wages if allowed.....that i will agree with

and lots of people would still want to work there for those lower wages.....you know that right?

why....because they have nowhere else to go....no skills so to speak

you can blame the right all you want for their situation.....but it really isnt that easy

our education system is lacking....and the parental guidance is null in too many cases

so 3 million kids a year drop out, with no discernible skills, and a likelihood of being in poverty for their entire life

i have never met anyone who couldnt improve themselves and increase their pay if they wanted to (disregarding the mentally or physically handicapped that will always be state wards)

we dont hire low or no skill workers here....even our janitorial staff is also maintenance, and other assorted tasks

and because they do more, we pay more.......

win/win for both parties
 
happy for you that you found a company willing to pay above market rates for your job

i hope during this period, you are increasing your skills, as you may not be so lucky next time around

some companies would pay lower wages if allowed.....that i will agree with

and lots of people would still want to work there for those lower wages.....you know that right?

why....because they have nowhere else to go....no skills so to speak

you can blame the right all you want for their situation.....but it really isnt that easy

our education system is lacking....and the parental guidance is null in too many cases

so 3 million kids a year drop out, with no discernible skills, and a likelihood of being in poverty for their entire life

i have never met anyone who couldnt improve themselves and increase their pay if they wanted to (disregarding the mentally or physically handicapped that will always be state wards)

we dont hire low or no skill workers here....even our janitorial staff is also maintenance, and other assorted tasks

and because they do more, we pay more.......

win/win for both parties
In the mailroom that I work in, we all have degrees of some sort. Some of us make more money sorting mail than a position related to our degrees. Before I was hired three years ago, the firm went the outsourcing route with a company providing the mail staff. The service provided was unacceptable by bottom barrel unprofessional people making minimum wage. Right when I came along, they decided to hire in-house paying well above average wages and benefits. You get what you pay for, employees should be viewed as valuable assets, regardless of your a Senior manager or a mailroom clerk.
 
From the people who want $15 an hour minimum wage for unskilled workers

i don't support that. i support guaranteed debt free access to higher education / job training for everyone.
 
i don't support that. i support guaranteed debt free access to higher education / job training for everyone.

I disagree with handing out associates degrees without work experience requirements. We don't need a wave of 14th graders.
 
Republicans don't support the minimum wage.
They do lie about supporting an unatainable quantum leap to $25 an hour for the same workers--ala Gov. Walker and Sen. Paul .
 
I disagree with handing out associates degrees without work experience requirements. We don't need a wave of 14th graders.

Then you're all for struggling parents paying 4-year college prices for general education courses.
While the AA helps them save from their scholarships.
As they live at home and work as pharmacist assistants and save even more money.

And figure out what their major course of emphasis will be.
Time for you to join this century as I did decades ago helping parents of kids I teach .
 
I disagree with handing out associates degrees without work experience requirements. We don't need a wave of 14th graders.
Of course, keeping higher education as much of an obstacle as possible helps justify paying slave wages to those who may have few options.
 
Of course, keeping higher education as much of an obstacle as possible helps justify paying slave wages to those who may have few options.

Save it for the third world, buddy. It's practically free to go to community college in the US. If you want to make it more free, I only agree with work experience requirements.
 
I disagree with handing out associates degrees without work experience requirements. We don't need a wave of 14th graders.

and that's not what i advocated. i advocated debt free access to post secondary education and job training.
 
Aim High for the 21st century was our motto in the 1990s.
And I have my former students who are now awesome professionals to prove it .

You joined this century before it began?
 
and that's not what i advocated. i advocated debt free access to post secondary education and job training.

We already have that.
 
Do as I say, not as I do?

:lol:


"Generous with other people's money" also comes to mind. Talk about feeding the stereotype, sheesh!

Indeed. I guess that shows exactly how committed to the cause they proclaim they really are. Makes you wonder what their real agenda behind it is.
 
Save it for the third world, buddy. It's practically free to go to community college in the US. If you want to make it more free, I only agree with work experience requirements.
A company that invests in its employees will be more prosperous in the long run than those that do not. I work for one of the big three accounting firms, they are the Starbucks of the industry. They assist with schooling and various other programs , generous pay, pension and health benefits etc. It is because of this philosophy and investments that they're number one in the industry.
 
When they stop cleaning the toilets and delivering the mail, see how valuable they are.

These are low skill tasks that are easily replaced. People are paid what they are worth
 
Fortunately, I work a company that doesn't share that view. I sort and process mail, deliver packages and I make a good buck well above the $15 that the right wingers feel isn't warranted for people who work for a living. My employer pays the "low people on the totem pole" a good buck because they know how valuable we are to them.

Or perhaps that is what the market demands in your location. If not, your employer isnt a very smart business man
 
Republicans don't support the minimum wage.
They do lie about supporting an unatainable quantum leap to $25 an hour for the same workers--ala Gov. Walker and Sen. Paul .

How so? The lie i mean? Or are you lying now? Nevermind, i know the answer
 
Or perhaps that is what the market demands in your location. If not, your employer isnt a very smart business man
Three years ago they had minimum-wage employees in there doing what I do. Those employees were costing the company revenue. you get what you pay for in an employee and the firm that I work for is now number one in the industry.
 
These are low skill tasks that are easily replaced. People are paid what they are worth
People who scrub toilets are just as important as the guy running the ****ing company. Many people do those mundane tasks are not paid what they're worth.
 
A company that invests in its employees will be more prosperous in the long run than those that do not. I work for one of the big three accounting firms, they are the Starbucks of the industry. They assist with schooling and various other programs , generous pay, pension and health benefits etc. It is because of this philosophy and investments that they're number one in the industry.

Most employers offer education assistance.
 
It's possible, via a few ways, to go to college without debt. You're proposing a new way to do so? Pretending there is no way is nonsense - army, employer benefit, savings, inheritance, etc...

yeah, i'd guarantee debt free access to any public university or job training program. the solution to the excess of unskilled labor is to remove the paywall. and more than that, it's an investment in our national intellectual resource pool. probably one of the best things we could do for the country.
 
yeah, i'd guarantee debt free access to any public university or job training program. the solution to the excess of unskilled labor is to remove the paywall. and more than that, it's an investment in our national intellectual resource pool. probably one of the best things we could do for the country.

Who are these people without access to the army or any of the millions of companies providing education assistance?
 
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