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From 'Gook' to 'Raghead'

Fantasea said:
Really?

Why not read some of Charles Duelfer's testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. It's about time you understood some of the whys and wherefores that led up to some of the decisions.

http://armed-services.senate.gov/statemnt/2004/October/Duelfer 10-06-04.pdf
Really? Interesting how what you published has already been questioned as to the misinformation that it contained in respect to the entire classified report. In other words what you linked to was the SPIN version.... :spin: Here's what the Washington Post says (Couldn't help but notice you left all of this out)!
U.S. 'Almost All Wrong' on Weapons
Report on Iraq Contradicts Bush Administration Claims


By Dana Priest and Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 7, 2004; Page A01

The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.

Charles A. Duelfer, whom the Bush administration chose to complete the U.S. investigation of Iraq's weapons programs, said Hussein's ability to produce nuclear weapons had "progressively decayed" since 1991. Inspectors, he said, found no evidence of "concerted efforts to restart the program."

The findings were similar on biological and chemical weapons.
While Hussein had long dreamed of developing an arsenal of biological agents, his stockpiles had been destroyed and research stopped years before the United States led the invasion of Iraq in March 2003. Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years.

Duelfer's report, delivered yesterday to two congressional committees, represents the government's most definitive accounting of Hussein's weapons programs, the assumed strength of which the Bush administration presented as a central reason for the war. While previous reports have drawn similar conclusions, Duelfer's assessment went beyond them in depth, detail and level of certainty.

"We were almost all wrong" on Iraq, Duelfer told a Senate panel yesterday.

President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials asserted before the U.S. invasion that Iraq was reconstituting its nuclear weapons program, had chemical and biological weapons and maintained links to al Qaeda affiliates to whom it might give such weapons to use against the United States.

But after extensive interviews with Hussein and his key lieutenants, Duelfer concluded that Hussein was not motivated by a desire to strike the United States with banned weapons, but wanted them to enhance his image in the Middle East and to deter Iran, against which Iraq had fought a devastating eight-year war. Hussein believed that "WMD helped save the regime multiple times," the report said.
Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html

Man, what a spin job...incredible in it's stupidity!

How come you didn't link to the entire report so that we could all read the actual meaning? Why did you choose to make it sound like Hussein was a threat? I know why! You're the master of the untuth (aka LIAR)....

How about trying to tell the truth?
Oh what evil web's we weave, when first we practice to deceive.
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26 X World Champs said:
Wrong, again....After Clinton left office the inspections RESUMED....and they reported there was nothing there...the situation was different....very different....
May we know your understanding of the mission of the UN wespons inspectors and the responsibility of the Iraqis?
 
I'm all for pressing the issue. Recruiting our own coalition of the unthinking will be no problem, as long as we what we preach to them is in agreement with their preconceived notions.
Hey,as long as the money flows I'll tell them exactly what they need to hear. We'll need to restructure the commandments,of course. Add a few, eliminate a few others. After all,if social security is obsolete after 60 some years imagine the updates that the Bible could use.
 
driving dave said:
I'm all for pressing the issue. Recruiting our own coalition of the unthinking will be no problem, as long as we what we preach to them is in agreement with their preconceived notions.
Hey,as long as the money flows I'll tell them exactly what they need to hear. We'll need to restructure the commandments,of course. Add a few, eliminate a few others. After all,if social security is obsolete after 60 some years imagine the updates that the Bible could use.
You caught on quick. Now, whenever you hear some "Christian" pastor raising hell about something or other, just remember our little joke and you won't take him seriously.
 
26 X World Champs said:
How about trying to tell the truth?

:banned:


Kind of hypocritical from going from one spin to the next don't you think?



Why don't you read the actual report?

Key Findings
Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end
sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when
sanctions were lifted.

"What is clear is that Saddam retained his notions of the use of force and had experience that demonstrated the utility of WMD. He was making progress in eroding sanctions and, had it not been for the events of 9-11-2001, things would have taken a different course in the Regime. Most Senior members of the Regime and scientists assumed that the programs would begin in earnest when sanctions ended-and sanctions were eroding."




I guess you never heard of Gulf War Syndrome

Deulfer also says in another report there was a massive increase of border activity with Syria during his fact gathering. Saddams men replaced the standard border guards for the length of this activity. He has no idea what went over in hundreds of trucks but to me it is highly suspicious.

I have no idea why we bother rehashing any of this. You will continue to espouse political rhetoric about a Satanic President and an Angelic Saddam and the rest of us will be glad a dictator was ousted.


We should move on.
 
Pacridge said:
Now why would any one be fearful of a state sanctioned well organized religion? I know it could never happen here. That's why we don't see people running around with signs that say "God hates Fags." And we don't have people tied to barbed wire fences, beaten and left to die in the middle of winter because people found out they were gay. Oh, wait we do have those things happening here. Boy liberals sure are nasty and mean.

Good thing our state sponsored religion condoned these actions and our theocratic goverment excused it. Oh wait, you mean most Christians abhor this behaviour and the state prosecuted those people to the fullest extent of the law? Boy, our government sure is dominated by religion.
 
akyron said:
Kind of hypocritical from going from one spin to the next don't you think?



Why don't you read the actual report?

Key Findings
Saddam Husayn so dominated the Iraqi Regime that its strategic intent was his alone. He wanted to end
sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction (WMD) when
sanctions were lifted.

"What is clear is that Saddam retained his notions of the use of force and had experience that demonstrated the utility of WMD. He was making progress in eroding sanctions and, had it not been for the events of 9-11-2001, things would have taken a different course in the Regime. Most Senior members of the Regime and scientists assumed that the programs would begin in earnest when sanctions ended-and sanctions were eroding."

Deulfer also says in another report there was a massive increase of border activity with Syria during his fact gathering. Saddams men replaced the standard border guards for the length of this activity. He has no idea what went over in hundreds of trucks but to me it is highly suspicious.
Exactly what about these statements are vague to you?
But after extensive interviews with Hussein and his key lieutenants, Duelfer concluded that Hussein was not motivated by a desire to strike the United States with banned weapons, but wanted them to enhance his image in the Middle East and to deter Iran, against which Iraq had fought a devastating eight-year war. Hussein believed that "WMD helped save the regime multiple times," the report said.

Duelfer said Hussein hoped someday to resume a chemical weapons effort after U.N. sanctions ended, but had no stocks and had not researched making the weapons for a dozen years.

The 1991 Persian Gulf War and subsequent U.N. inspections destroyed Iraq's illicit weapons capability and, for the most part, Saddam Hussein did not try to rebuild it, according to an extensive report by the chief U.S. weapons inspector in Iraq that contradicts nearly every prewar assertion made by top administration officials about Iraq.
What's so interesting is that the defenders of this nightmare war think the following:

1. That if someone is anti-war that means that you are PRO SADDAM. Can't you see how incredibly stupid that thinking is?

2. You cite one tiny little quote, not in it's complete use, you snip it to make it sound like you're right when the entire quote says you're wrong. Isn't that called propaganda?

3. You completely ignore that we went to war with Iraq but not with OBL. We diverted almost all of our resources to Iraq, a country that never, ever attacked us, was not threatening us, and that was, for lack of a better description, ball-less.

4. In case you all need to be reminded, OBL DID attack us, not once, not twice, but many times all over the world killing thousands of Americans. Remember? You know, planes into buildings, sinking ships, blowing up embassies....yet with all of the trillions of dollars we spend on the military, all of the training we pick Iraq as out target and let OBL continue to be a threat to us.

5. Since OBL started killing us and blowing up things can anyone name even one single instance that Saddam even threatened us, no less did anything?

So I for one would really appreciate it if all of you pro-war "Americans" would slap yourself in the face and come out of your stupor and try to recognize who our enemy is and who is threatening us!

I for one do not like that 1600+ Americans soldiers have been killed and at least 12,000 others have been wounded and more than 100,000 families have had their lives totally screwed up by what will go down in history as one of the very worst military decisions of the last 100 years.

Good job Bush! Good job Bush supporters, you've conspired to make us less safe and more dead! Take a bow!
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26 X World Champs said:
Exactly what about these statements are vague to you?

What's so interesting is that the defenders of this nightmare war think the following:

1. That if someone is anti-war that means that you are PRO SADDAM. Can't you see how incredibly stupid that thinking is?

2. You cite one tiny little quote, not in it's complete use, you snip it to make it sound like you're right when the entire quote says you're wrong. Isn't that called propaganda?

3. You completely ignore that we went to war with Iraq but not with OBL. We diverted almost all of our resources to Iraq, a country that never, ever attacked us, was not threatening us, and that was, for lack of a better description, ball-less.

4. In case you all need to be reminded, OBL DID attack us, not once, not twice, but many times all over the world killing thousands of Americans. Remember? You know, planes into buildings, sinking ships, blowing up embassies....yet with all of the trillions of dollars we spend on the military, all of the training we pick Iraq as out target and let OBL continue to be a threat to us.

5. Since OBL started killing us and blowing up things can anyone name even one single instance that Saddam even threatened us, no less did anything?

So I for one would really appreciate it if all of you pro-war "Americans" would slap yourself in the face and come out of your stupor and try to recognize who our enemy is and who is threatening us!

I for one do not like that 1600+ Americans soldiers have been killed and at least 12,000 others have been wounded and more than 100,000 families have had their lives totally screwed up by what will go down in history as one of the very worst military decisions of the last 100 years.

Good job Bush! Good job Bush supporters, you've conspired to make us less safe and more dead! Take a bow!
:2bow:


Your spin is just as smelly as the next guys. Do not fool yourself into thinking it is not.

FYI: The Taliban lost control of an entire country over Osama. Cutting his power bases seems like a reasonable place to start considering how difficult it is for a nation to go to war with one guy. Don't tell me progress isn't being made. The hundreds of women who aren't being shot in the head as we speak would disagree. This is not about one guy anyway. This is about fences. The phrase "The Muslim World" always irritated me. This is like saying the "black world" or the "Chinese World".

Give me a break. The very term implies they live on an entirely different planet and deserve to live under entirely different rules than the rest of us. Rules that allow routine chopping off of limbs and heads. A world where women can be sentenced to being gang raped under the law.

As for Pro-war: I do not know anyone that is "Pro-War". No amount of typical democratic flowery begging or pleading with these people is going to straighten this out. War is here whether you like it or not. Get over it. Whining and complaining is not helping anyone. This is not a war we as a country chose. The middle east has been in conflict for 3000 years. Fanatic belief in a religion filled with certainies has stagnated the area for thousands of years. Global communications and modern advances in travel and technology have now expanded this aggression from local to national to global outbreaks in a natural progression. The middle east has had over 30 USA lifetimes to grow and develop. The best they can do is drag a dead goat from one end of a field to another to honor the memory of the monguls who rode down from the mountains to grab food for feat and women for rape. If you think we chose this war go stand at ground zero in New York City or in a field in New Jersey where brave souls sacrificed themselves to spit in the eye of terrorism and think again. Slap yourself out of your stupor.


I worked at the world trade center for about half a year and I still remember the faces of many people that are now dead. Do you?




:spank:
 
26 X World Champs said:
Really? Interesting how what you published has already been questioned as to the misinformation that it contained in respect to the entire classified report. In other words what you linked to was the SPIN version.... :spin: Here's what the Washington Post says (Couldn't help but notice you left all of this out)!

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12115-2004Oct6.html

Man, what a spin job...incredible in it's stupidity!

How come you didn't link to the entire report so that we could all read the actual meaning? Why did you choose to make it sound like Hussein was a threat? I know why! You're the master of the untuth (aka LIAR)....

How about trying to tell the truth?

:banned:




The Weasels Strike Back
The Rogue Weasels kicked out of the CIA by Porter Goss and their friends still at Langley will continue to undermine Goss, President Bush, and our national security. Their key media allies will continue to be two of the sleaziest journalists in DC, Dana Priest and Walter Pincus of the Washington Post, leaking stories to them about the “secret” CIA prison at Guantanamo or the CIA’s “Flying Prison,” or how terrible it was for Goss to fire a lightweight flake like Jami Miscik, the thankfully now-former Deputy Director of Intelligence.

The main goal of the RW’s will be to prevent Goss from being appointed NID, National Intelligence Director; make sure the NID is a liberal squish to their liking; and then assign to the NID the single most important responsibility of the entire intelligence community: preparing and delivering the PDB – the hyper-classified President’s Daily Briefing – for President Bush.

The Rogue Weasels and the Washington Post are waging war on Porter Goss, a war he may lose in 2005 unless he develops a media strategy to counter it, and orders the CIA General Counsel’s office to go after Priest & Pincus legally.

--Dr. Jack Wheeler




:spin:
 
akyron said:
If you think we chose this war go stand at ground zero in New York City or in a field in New Jersey where brave souls sacrificed themselves to spit in the eye of terrorism and think again. Slap yourself out of your stupor.
I can't recall how Iraq is related to 9-11. Could please offer an explanation?
 
akyron said:
As for Pro-war: I do not know anyone that is "Pro-War".
Then perhaps you should read the manifesto of the Project for the New American Century?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/
akyron said:
No amount of typical democratic flowery begging or pleading with these people is going to straighten this out. War is here whether you like it or not. Get over it. Whining and complaining is not helping anyone. This is not a war we as a country chose.
Surely you jest? This is not a war that we chose? That is a crazy comment! We attacked Iraq....that means we chose to go to war with them. They didn't attack us, they didn't pose any threat to us....we CHOSE to go to war! Christ! The brain washing of America is insidious!
akyron said:
Global communications and modern advances in travel and technology have now expanded this aggression from local to national to global outbreaks in a natural progression. The middle east has had over 30 USA lifetimes to grow and develop. The best they can do is drag a dead goat from one end of a field to another to honor the memory of the monguls who rode down from the mountains to grab food for feat and women for rape.
We are the United States of America, we are NOT Imperilist conquerers who have the right to go anywhere we choose to impose our view of the world. We do have a right to protect the "American Way" within the borders of our country, period. Your writing slurs against Muslims and people from the Middle East to justify our war mongering is very, very ugly...
akyron said:
If you think we chose this war go stand at ground zero in New York City or in a field in New Jersey where brave souls sacrificed themselves to spit in the eye of terrorism and think again. Slap yourself out of your stupor.
When did I write that? Please show me? I wrote that we need to focus on OBL and his gang, not on Iraq. How can YOU be so blindly loyal to Bush that you are unable to grasp that Iraq and our counry's security are totally unrelated? Need I write that again? Iraq and America's security are not related. Stopping OBL and all those that fight with him is in America's best interest, and should be our number one priority! How can you not agree? Do you really believe that liberating Iraq will stop anyone from attacking the USA?

Maybe you need to jog your memory too? The "field" that you speak of wasn't iin New Jersey, it was in Western Pennsylvania! How can you not remember that but you can remember the "faces of the many people"?
akyron said:
I worked at the world trade center for about half a year and I still remember the faces of many people that are now dead. Do you?
Very, very lame. I live in Manhattan and knew TOO many people who were killed. I used to work @ Cantor Fitzgerald in the early 90s....so don't put your experiences above anyone else's as some sick justification for attacking Iraq! Your point is totally and horribly wrong. Iraq has ZERO to do with 9-11! ZERO! Attacking Iraq hurt our efforts to root out those who killed our friends and countrymen! Shame on you for challenging me or anyone's strength of commitment based on remembering the many faces of those who died? All Americans were deeply affected regardless of whether you knew anyone personally.
 
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Simon W. Moon said:
I can't recall how Iraq is related to 9-11. Could please offer an explanation?
Hey Simon, we all know there's no logic here! If there's anyone who seriously believes that Iraq had anything to do with 9-11 then I feel it is OK to say that anytihng they believe needs to be taken with a mountian of salt!
 
Originally Posted by 26 X World Champs
Wrong, again....After Clinton left office the inspections RESUMED....and they reported there was nothing there...the situation was different....very different....
May we know your understanding of the mission of the UN weapons inspectors and the responsibility of the Iraqis in that regard?
 
Fantasea said:
May we know your understanding of the mission of the UN weapons inspectors and the responsibility of the Iraqis in that regard?
Until you answer the mountain of questions that you've ignored I will not reply to any of your questions...However, you can count on my making sure that each and every lie you post will be exposed.... :2wave:
 
26 X World Champs said:
Until you answer the mountain of questions that you've ignored I will not reply to any of your questions...However, you can count on my making sure that each and every lie you post will be exposed.... :2wave:
Does this mean that this curse has finally been lifted from me? I won't have any of your @#$%^&* stuff directed at me? Oh happy day!
 
Fantasea said:
Does this mean that this curse has finally been lifted from me? I won't have any of your @#$%^&* stuff directed at me? Oh happy day!


Heh. No one gets away from the curse that easy.


The Saddam-9/11 Link Confirmed

By Laurie Mylroie FrontPageMagazine.com | May 11, 2004

Important new information has come from Edward Jay Epstein about Mohammed Atta’s contacts with Iraqi intelligence. The Czechs have long maintained that Atta, leader of the 9/11 hijackers in the United States, met with Ahmed al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence official, posted to the Iraqi embassy in Prague. As Epstein now reports, Czech authorities have discovered that al-Ani’s appointment calendar shows a scheduled meeting on April 8, 2001 with a "Hamburg student."

That is exactly what the Czechs had been saying since shortly after 9/11: Atta, a long-time student at Germany’s Hamburg-Harburg Technical University, met with al-Ani on April 8, 2001. Indeed, when Atta earlier applied for a visa to visit the Czech Republic, he identified himself as a “Hamburg student.” The discovery of the notation in al-Ani’s appointment calendar about a meeting with a “Hamburg student” provides critical corroboration of the Czech claim.

Epstein also explains how Atta could have traveled to Prague at that time without the Czechs having a record of such a trip. Spanish intelligence has found evidence that two Algerians provided Atta a false passport.
 
akyron said:
Heh. No one gets away from the curse that easy.


The Saddam-9/11 Link Confirmed

By Laurie Mylroie FrontPageMagazine.com | May 11, 2004

Important new information has come from Edward Jay Epstein about Mohammed Atta’s contacts with Iraqi intelligence. The Czechs have long maintained that Atta, leader of the 9/11 hijackers in the United States, met with Ahmed al-Ani, an Iraqi intelligence official, posted to the Iraqi embassy in Prague. As Epstein now reports, Czech authorities have discovered that al-Ani’s appointment calendar shows a scheduled meeting on April 8, 2001 with a "Hamburg student."
LOL! One BS report is supposed to nullify hundreds, if not thousands of reports that say the opposite, including the official 9-11 report?

PATHETIC!
MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 6:48 p.m. ET June 16, 2004

WASHINGTON - The commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks reported Wednesday that Osama bin Laden met with a top Iraqi official in 1994 but found “no credible evidence” of a link between Iraq and al-Qaida in attacks against the United States.
You must be a used car salesman.....
 
26 X World Champs said:
Then perhaps you should read the manifesto of the Project for the New American Century?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

Somehow it figures you would know these kooks. I don't.

Surely you jest? This is not a war that we chose? That is a crazy comment! We attacked Iraq....that means we chose to go to war with them. They didn't attack us, they didn't pose any threat to us....we CHOSE to go to war! Christ! The brain washing of America is insidious!

To paraphrase your boy you are WRONG WRONG WRONG.
Saddam Hussein's Philanthropy of Terror
Tell the people suffering from Gulf War Syndrome Saddam was no threat.
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The People of Kuwait would also disagree with you about Saddam being a threat.


Even the muslim leaders knew Saddam was bad news. I always wonder why you support Saddam at every turn.


We are the United States of America, we are NOT Imperilist conquerers who have the right to go anywhere we choose to impose our view of the world. We do have a right to protect the "American Way" within the borders of our country, period. Your writing slurs against Muslims and people from the Middle East to justify our war mongering is very, very ugly...


What slur?
BUZ KASHI is the national pastime of Afghanistan. Women were forbidden to watch of course pre US Taliban stomping.


In case you hadnt noticed our borders were invaded and chasing the perpetrators and those associated with them should be a priority.

When did I write that? Please show me? I wrote that we need to focus on OBL and his gang, not on Iraq. How can YOU be so blindly loyal to Bush that you are unable to grasp that Iraq and our counry's security are totally unrelated? Need I write that again? Iraq and America's security are not related. Stopping OBL and all those that fight with him is in America's best interest, and should be our number one priority! How can you not agree? Do you really believe that liberating Iraq will stop anyone from attacking the USA?


U.S.: 100 insurgents killed near Iraq-Syria border Well there is 100 guys that wont be going to flight school any time soon so...yeah.


Osama lost some of his greatest benefactors in the Taliban when they lost the whole country? Which part of that are you missing?

How exactly do you propose we "root" out the gang with no contacts,no understanding of the area, and no presence? We have to maintain a presence and even now 24k+ troops are still in Afghanistan continuing the hunt. 18 US + NATO forces.


Maybe you need to jog your memory too? The "field" that you speak of wasn't iin New Jersey, it was in Western Pennsylvania! How can you not remember that but you can remember the "faces of the many people"?



My mistake typing. I had New Jersey on the brain from another unrelated project. New Jersey smells funny by the way. Penn. was pretty country last time I went through there. Very clean. I apologize for the mistype. :3oops:

I was in the World Trade Center. I was not on the plane just to clarify your confusion.





Very, very lame. I live in Manhattan and knew TOO many people who were killed. I used to work @ Cantor Fitzgerald in the early 90s....so don't put your experiences above anyone else's as some sick justification for attacking Iraq! Your point is totally and horribly wrong. Iraq has ZERO to do with 9-11! ZERO! Attacking Iraq hurt our efforts to root out those who killed our friends and countrymen! Shame on you for challenging me or anyone's strength of commitment based on remembering the many faces of those who died? All Americans were deeply affected regardless of whether you knew anyone personally.


Worked at the Wall Street Journal there and just about everywhere they have an office myself. As for sick justification I dont believe there is any justification for war. War is bad we all know it. No one loves it (except for some nutty people you know). It just is and you have to deal with it. Is there is even a time when there is no conflict on the earth?

Iraq insurgents and terrorists are active every day in Iraq. If you go to hunt something. You hunt it where it lives.
Keep your head in the sand all you want but Saddam was offering cash for terrorist acts.

Some people were affected more than others apparently.


What do you think would happen if the US pulls out of the middle east completely?


Do you really believe the world would all of a sudden be filled with no hungry mouths to feed and peace on earth would reign?

I doubt it.
:shoot
 
26 X World Champs said:
LOL! One BS report is supposed to nullify hundreds, if not thousands of reports that say the opposite, including the official 9-11 report?

PATHETIC!

QUOTE]


Nah. I love you man. You have a rant for every occasion. Good times.


Republican or Democratic forums are so boring as vague pointed out to me earlier with all the agreeing and stuff.
 
akyron said:
Given this evidence:
Why do you suppose that **** Cheney has crawfished away from his earlier assertion about this link?
Why do you suppose that the American Intelligence Community doesn't buy Ms Mylroie's story?




Did you know that Ms. Mylroie also wants to blame Saddam Hussein for Mr. McVeigh's atrcocity in OKC?
 
Simon W. Moon said:
Given this evidence:
Why do you suppose that **** Cheney has crawfished away from his earlier assertion about this link?
Why do you suppose that the American Intelligence Community doesn't buy Ms Mylroie's story?




Did you know that Ms. Mylroie also wants to blame Saddam Hussein for Mr. McVeigh's atrcocity in OKC?

Case Closed
From the November 24, 2003 issue: The U.S. government's secret memo detailing cooperation between Saddam Hussein and Osama bin Laden.
by Stephen F. Hayes


What bothers me most about the American Intelligence Community is at the time they would not cooperate with Czech Intelligence on any investigation whatsoever.

Something is going on here but what?


She is not the only one.


"I am thoroughly convinced that there was a dead-bang Middle Eastern connection in the Oklahoma City bombing," he said. --David Schippers-prosecuted the House of Representatives' impeachment case against Bill Clinton

Davis's reporting was vetted by former CIA director James Woolsey and given credibility by the U.S. 10th Circuit Court of Appeals last April when it dismissed a lawsuit filed against her after finding "defendants did not recklessly disregard the truth" in reporting on an Iraqi soldier's alleged involvement in the bombing.

"After eight years of oppressive litigation, the courts have vindicated my work ethic as a dedicated journalist," Davis told WorldNetDaily at the time. "The lawsuit was obviously designed to silence a legitimate investigation into Middle Eastern complicity in the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing."


There is lots of weird stuff flowing around here and both viewpoints appear to have some credibility.
 
akyron said:
There is lots of weird stuff flowing around here and both viewpoints appear to have some credibility.
To some, I suppose.

Given the choice between intel professionals and a purveyor of propaganda puff pieces I know who I'll choose to believe in matter relating to intelligence.

FWIW, Mr. Woolsley flew to Scotland Yard to check the infamous fingerprints himself. He found that the evidence didn't support the "Fox/Mylroie theory." In the words of James Woolsey the theory is "likely wrong."

Why do you suppose that **** Cheney has crawfished away from his earlier assertions about this link?


 
Simon W. Moon said:

To some, I suppose.

Given the choice between intel professionals and a purveyor of propaganda puff pieces I know who I'll choose to believe in matter relating to intelligence.

FWIW, Mr. Woolsley flew to Scotland Yard to check the infamous fingerprints himself. He found that the evidence didn't support the "Fox/Mylroie theory." In the words of James Woolsey the theory is "likely wrong."

Why do you suppose that **** Cheney has crawfished away from his earlier assertions about this link?




What did he recently say?

Bush stands by al Qaeda, Saddam link Tuesday, June 15, 2004
 
akyron said:
I only have a moement for you right now, so I'll be brief.
First, as the WH has carefully pointed out on several occasions- al Qaeda/Saddam link ≠ 9-11/Saddam link

The rest'll have to come later if I remember to grace you. A hint to keep you for the moment. Examine the word choice here in GWB statement "Zarqawi's the best evidence of a connection to al Qaeda affiliates and al Qaeda"
 
I have here on my table a Coke bottle of the glass type. I have read here that glass bottles manufactured in other countries aren't necessarily the thickness of bottles that used to be manufactured here. That's not accurate; not even close. I worked directly under the man that invented the machine to manufacture the plastic milk bottles and understand the physics of liquid containers.

Glass manufacturing utilizes the heating of silica (sand) to a liquid form in order to form a bottle through a vacumn molding process. Glass that is made in this way has an inherent weakness in the amount of gas that is trapped in the final product. This natural gas given off by the melted silica creats a weakness in the glass depending on the thickness of the glass.

Coke or any other product which is carbonated creats pressure with the slighest movement not to mention being shipped from country to country (Iraq has no bottling plants for Coca-Cola). Shipping of palatized product will cause that product to be shaken and bumped many times during the transit. For a bottle designed to withstand the pressures of carbonated beverages that may be shaken or bumped in transit, that glass has to be made to certain tolerances. Otherwise, the amount of breakage would be so high as to make the manufacturing and shipping of the product cost prohibitive because of product loss.

The bottle used in the bottling of Coke, one of the worlds oldest soft drinks would be controlled by the Coca-Cola Company both by contract and quality control. Believe me, you don't want to manufacture an inferior product or put the product in an inferior container and lose the business of a company the size of Coca-Cola. You will not only sign their contract but you will undergo their quality control from manufacturing to bottling to distribution and you will do it their way.

The story of shattering Coke bottles over the heads of Iraqi pedestrians is a lie. The recipient of such an attack would, at the least be injured or possibly killed. If injured, there would have to be medical attention at one of the hundreds of medical facilities that our military has helped the Iraqis open since the beginning of the war. Those injured would have the attacks reported and of course, there would be finger prints on the bottles. Imagine 5 to 20 percent of our 147,000 troops being involved in this type of behavior. You would have to think the Iraqis just think it's normal and go about their business.

I'm not stupid and neither are you...... I hope.
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