Fox's Napolitano says after Sondland testimony that Democrats have a case for impeachment

[bubbabgone]

That's true, but bribery in the 1780's is way closer to djt than today's definition.

In what way?

 

[bubbabgone]

That's the spin you are going with now? Wholly **** that's pathetic.

No ... it's for real. Really.

 

[lurchadams]

He is correct again a jury of twelve said OJ is innocent so he is. He denies ever knowing the young lady in question and she recanted her story.

Sorry, again, my friend O.J. was found "not guilty" which is NOT the same thing as innocent. The Doosh claims he "knows for a fact" OJ is innocent, which is an idiotic thing to say, unless he was there for the murder.

Do you also believe the Douche kept his underwear on at Epstein's house? :lamo

 

[lurchadams]

So if Obama was born in Indonesia or outside the US would it have been racist to point it out?

The point is he wasn't. He was born in Hawaii. Claiming he wasn't in order to make racists feel better is racist. You know what else was racist? The tea-bagger movement. You know why? Because although we're still deficit spending a white guy is president now - and there are no more tea-bag rallies.

 

[JasperL]

In what way?

Lawfare lays it out nicely.

The Bad Arguments That Trump Didn’t Commit Bribery - Lawfare

“when a judge, or other person concerned in the administration of justice, takes any undue reward to influence his behavior in his office.”

“[T]aken largely it signifies the Receiving, or Offering, any undue Reward, to or by any Person concerned in the Administration of publick [sic] Justice.”

and

Russell on Crimes, an authoritative treatise originally published in 1819, defines bribery as “the receiving or offering [of] any undue reward by or to any person whatsoever, in a public office, in order to influence his behaviour in office, and incline him to act contrary to the known rules of honesty and integrity.”

Here's another article by some of the same people making the argument in more detail.

The Constitution Says ‘Bribery’ Is Impeachable. What Does That Mean? - Lawfare

Now that Congress has launched an impeachment investigation into President Trump’s effort to use the Ukrainian government to target a political rival, much ink has been spilled on the question of whether Trump’s actions amount to “high crimes and misdemeanors” for which he may be impeached. In analyzing the president’s conduct, some commentators have pointed to one of the two specific grounds for impeachment enumerated in the Constitution: bribery. Yet, by and large, those who have examined Trump’s efforts to put pressure on Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky as potential bribery have done so through the narrow lens of modern federal statutory criminal law.

But that is the wrong place to look when considering impeachment. In fact, the Founders had a broader conception of bribery than what’s in the criminal code. Their understanding was derived from English law, under which bribery was understood as an officeholder’s abuse of the power of an office to obtain a private benefit rather than for the public interest. This definition not only encompasses Trump’s conduct—it practically defines it.

 

[lurchadams]

OJ is most certainly innocent. He has no guilt for the murders of his ex wife and Ron Goldman. A jury of twelve determined that. Do I think he did it. Hell Yeah. But he is most certainly innocent of their murders. That show's its easy to find 12 morons in California. Did you know California voted overwhelmingly for Hillary Clinton.

Sorry, my friend "innocent" is not the same as "not-guilty". Your wishing to make them the same thing does not make it so.

 

[yankintx]

Hi, Buddy. Hope all is well.

You realize that Alan Dooshawitz claims "he knows for a fact" that O.J. is innocent of murdering his ex and her companion? Also, the Doosh was a defender of Jeff Epstein and claims that although received a massage at Epstein's residence - "he kept his underwear on"?

Yep, 'ol Dooshawit is a pilar of the community alright

Have a nice day

Eww so The Doosh likes underage girls, kinda like Trump!!

The Epstein saga is far from over, the guy had lots of high profile friends, including Trump. Prince Andrew has already been given his notice, and more than likely will have to give an interview. Oh we are just getting started!!

 

[lurchadams]

Eww so The Doosh likes underage girls, kinda like Trump!!

The Epstein saga is far from over, the guy had lots of high profile friends, including Trump. Prince Andrew has already been given his notice, and more than likely will have to give an interview. Oh we are just getting started!!

He's was one of Epstein's defenders, as was Kenneth Starr and trump's former labor secretary. So Doosh-a-wits lacks any moral character or credibility, IMO. I'm shocked people still take him seriously!

 

[yankintx]

He's was one of Epstein's defenders, as was Kenneth Starr and trump's former labor secretary. So Doosh-a-wits lacks any moral character or credibility, IMO. I'm shocked people still take him seriously!

He is an excellent lawyer, he got two murderers off, Von Bulow and OJ. He has a knack for getting husbands off the hook for murdering their wives . If anything happens to Melania the Doosh is Trumps guy. And ya, both men were guilty!!

 

[humbolt]

You made me laugh. :lol:

We all laugh. Consider that a person born blind has never seen the facial expressions that we make, yet such a person smiles and laughs. It's just as innate as a baby suckling. So humor is vital enough that we are pre-disposed to it.

 

[JustHanging]

No they didn't. :lol: TDS must be a terrible burden.

TDS is obviously a terrible burden, look at how many Republicans suffer from it, willingly being Trump's lickspittles. Trump tells them a scary story, and they cower in fear, saying "Protect us President Trump! Protect us President Trump!"

 

[SLC]

The point is he wasn't. He was born in Hawaii. Claiming he wasn't in order to make racists feel better is racist. You know what else was racist? The tea-bagger movement. You know why? Because although we're still deficit spending a white guy is president now - and there are no more tea-bag rallies.

Lurch, Lurch, Lurch *shakes head* its racist to assume that just because someone has doubt about where a person was born makes that person a racist. Not everything is about race. It maybe simply that they dislike Liberals and were seeking away to remove Obama from office. MUCH like saying Trump was a traitor and was Putin's puppet and wanting Trump impeached. Now I could accuse you of hating Orange people but in truth I suspect you just hate Trumps policies. A family member that has an inter racial marriage and for sure isn't a racist (she is black and even more conservative than me ) is the first person I ever heard talk about birtherism. I always accuse her of being to the right of John Birch. I told her to forget birtherism because it sounded like a hoax to me. So some people just hated the fact that Obama was the most liberal senator in the Senate in 2008. The fact that he happened to be black is just coincidence and was not important.

 

[Atomic Kid]

It appears that the problem, in this case, was that the Ukrainian president was not going to yield to Trump's (or anyone else's) demands. If the Ukrainian president caved to Trump's demands then he would piss off the congressional demorats such that he would be unlikely to get any future US aid. It was a choice of suffer some US aid delay now or pay a much higher price in the future. It is not unreasonable to expect that the Ukrainian president was advised (perhaps even by the WB or those working with him/her) of the fact that Trump was going to get spanked for his US foreign aid delay tactic and that he should just sit tight and remain silent on the matter.

Zelenski was just mere hours away from complying with Trump's demand. He was scheduled be the primary guest on Fareed Zakarias's CNN show. As demanded by the Trump team but was saved by the bell just beforehand. That's how critical this aid package was to the Ukrainians.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Hey Lurch how are you doing? Answer me a question please. I have always been confused when people say birthers are being racist. Why is that? Why do you think it's racist to demand a president be a naturally born American?

That you're 'confused' about such things comes as no great shock to anyone here.

 

[SLC]

He is an excellent lawyer, he got two murderers off, Von Bulow and OJ. He has a knack for getting husbands off the hook for murdering their wives . If anything happens to Melania the Doosh is Trumps guy. And ya, both men were guilty!!

Not according to the jury. If I was in trouble I sure as hell would prefer Alan Dershowitz in my corner than Napoletano.

 

[Parrish]

Not according to the jury. If I was in trouble I sure as hell would prefer Alan Dershowitz in my corner than Napoletano.

You and HRH Prince Andrew.

 

[Atomic Kid]

So now you are a General. :lol: Sure thing General Rommel. :lol:

No that's reality. The place where you don't reside.

 

[SLC]

No that's reality. The place where you don't reside.

How could you possibly know anything about reality. :lamo

 

[Atomic Kid]

It was Vindman he admits telling him not to get involved in US politics. That is probably illegal and definitely stepping out of the chain of command.

Which is very wise and sage advice for any country. But especially for country trying to fix it's corrupt political past. It can't really do that by engaging in a corrupt acts at the behest of the US President and his auxiliaries.

 

[Atomic Kid]

How could you possibly know anything about reality. :lamo

I know that it doesn't appear to exist in parts of Texas. :2wave:

 

[SLC]

Which is very wise and sage advice for any country. But especially for country trying to fix it's corrupt political past. It can't really do that by engaging in a corrupt acts at the behest of the US President and his auxiliaries.

Maybe but Vindman's JOB is to advance the President's policies not to tell the Ukraine's to ignore the President.

 

[SLC]

I know that it doesn't appear to exist in parts of Texas. :2wave:

That attitude just proves you aren't based in reality. :lamo

 

[Atomic Kid]

Maybe but Vindman's JOB is to advance the President's policies not to tell the Ukraine's to ignore the President.

Not if they aren't lawful.

 

[Atomic Kid]

That attitude just proves you aren't based in reality. :lamo

Even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut. Let's hope that someday you will.

 

[SLC]

Even a blind squirrel can sometimes find a nut. Let's hope that someday you will.

Watch out someday a blind squirrel may attack you.