I've been involved with three "unscheduled landings" on military aircraft. No one was hurt bad in any of them though. The worst one I was in was a UH-60 in Mogadishu when we added some unexpected lead to the engine and had to auto-rotate down in the city. Not fun. You may have read about it or saw a movie that talked about it. My avatar picture was taken in the same UH-60 a couple days earlier.
I was also on a Delta L1011 flying from ATL to HNL when we lost cabin pressure over the Pacific. The masks deployed and a per-recorded message started YELLING at us to put the masks on and breath normally. Yeah, right.
I'm thinking the pilot was just short of the runway and the tail was clipped off by the rock wall.
I'm thinking the pilot was just short of the runway and the tail was clipped off by the rock wall.
Probably more likely the landing gear is what got tangled up in the rocks since at least one of them is ripped completely off and laying on the around the runway numbers. They would have to have that nose up pretty high to drag the tail me would think.
It's not a cargo plane.
A crash that occurs after touchdown typically isn't a total loss. Fewer troubles with Newton. The fueselage appears to be mostly intact, so that's a good sign.
As for a tail falling off, a bad impact could snap the tail loose. I'm guessing the tail came off during impact, not during flight. If the tail comes off in flight, things don't go this well. The 777 tail is mostly composites. They're tough and light, but as I understand it when they do fail, they tend to fail rather spectacularly.
But on landing isn't the tail lower than the landing gear?
Update, 4:12 p.m.: According to two LA Times reporters and one Fox reporter, there were no fatalities among the 291 passengers and 12 crew. (That's an updated number, for the record.) One person was critically injured and airlifted to a local hospital but, for the most part, everyone seems OK. We'll have updated injury reports when the numbers are confirmed.
I hate flying!
The runway 28 approach is over freaking water.
edit: oh, that little thing at the edge of the water? It's not very tall...
Right you are. It clearly didn't flip. It better be a cargo plane, though, because the passenger compartment looks like it's toast.
How the HELL does a plane's TAIL fall off? WTF?
Fox says 2 fatalities...48 injured.
Could the altimeter have been messed up, I wonder?
The later the report, the more accurate it likely is. Give it a day for the truth.Fox says 2 fatalities...48 injured.
I doubt that was the issue. They were probably trying to come in just over the threshold and misguaged it.
That's what I heard. Amazing that it's only two.
for me its not the flying, its getting through the airport and dealing with that many self serving people..
Well, I find it unlikely is was anything but pilot error, but it could have been something else.
Well, I find it unlikely is was anything but pilot error, but it could have been something else.
If it was something else, we'll never know. The FAA and NTSB are gummint entities, and the gummint is under the control of lobbyists employed by Boeing, who have an interest in deflecting all liability for the crash to the pilots.
We can only hope a firefighter goes in there and rips off the flight recorder, and sends it to an independent (or foreign) agency for inspection.
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