Fox News Is Still Paying the Price for Being Right on Election Night

[ouch]

I too believe with giving credit when credit is due. Imagine the millions of Fox viewers that election night screaming at Fox for calling it for Biden. Fox stuck to their guns, that night, with being fair and balanced. Congrats! Now, you'll suffer the ramifications for the years of backing the lying loon-in-chief and, sadly, for your one night for calling it correctly last Nov.

Fox News Is Still Paying the Price for Being Right on Election Night (msn.com)

Not only should the call Fox News made this year, declaring Joe Biden the winner in Arizona just after midnight, be added to the annals of key calls — it has to be one of the most important calls ever. And not just on the political side. The ramifications for Fox News have been significant ever since.

In case you’ve forgotten, here’s the context for the call: Commentators had warned the public that initial returns could be skewed toward same-day voting, which favored Donald Trump. The impact of the incumbent having the lead early on in sufficient states, particularly battleground ones, would allow him to declare “victory” and then use that when actual total results were counted. And make no mistake: This was a carefully plotted strategy. Majority Republican legislators in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania blocked any counting of early voting until later, distorting the actual outcome.

What they didn’t count on was Arizona. It was also a swing state, and unlike other closely contested ones, it didn’t suppress the tallying of mail-in and other early ballots. As a result, Biden was ahead by as much a nine points early on.

Decision desks don’t call races based on votes counted immediately unless the trend is decisive and sufficient returns from all regions are in. But they called Arizona the same way all outlets do. They analyzed trends from different demographics, projected where the outstanding vote came from, and worked off mathematical models.

Theirs showed that Biden was the winner. Not the likely one, but the overwhelmingly certain one. And Fox calling it for Biden shot a whole right through the planned Trump “victory.”

 

[Rogue Valley]

Fox News Decision Desk Managing Editor Bill Sammon, Politics Editor Chris Stirewalt, and contract employee Arnon Mishkin

were all fired for being the first cable channel to [correctly] call Arizona for Joe Biden.

 

[Binary_Digit]

No good deed goes unpunished.

 

[Rexedgar]

Whole heap of layoffs in Fox’s future, imo.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Unload Hannity, Carlson, Bartiromo, Gutfield, Ingraham, then MAYBE people might see you as more "fair and balanced".
BTW, as an outside observer, I don't think Fox is loosing viewership because they called the election for Biden, it is because people are sick and tired of still salivating over Trump and knocking everything Biden does before he has been in office even a month.

 

[madasheck]

Unload Hannity, Carlson, Bartiromo, Gutfield, Ingraham, then MAYBE people might see you as more "fair and balanced".
BTW, as an outside observer, I don't think Fox is loosing viewership because they called the election for Biden, it is because people are sick and tired of still salivating over Trump and knocking everything Biden does before he has been in office even a month.

No matter what Fox does at this point, it will never ever be considered "news" as long as idiots like Hannity, Carlson, Bartiromo and Pirro are there. Legitimate journalists laugh at Fox. It's a circus full of clowns. As someone who has connections with the news biz, I say that with some disgust as Fox disgusts me. No one -- and that includes Chris Wallace -- is a journalist there. If Wallace leaves, he might be. But he'll never have the rep of his father.

 

[madasheck]

Whole heap of layoffs in Fox’s future, imo.

I'd like to see some terminations, not layoffs.

 

[madasheck]

Fox News Decision Desk Managing Editor Bill Sammon, Politics Editor Chris Stirewalt, and contract employee Arnon Mishkin

were all fired for being the first cable channel to [correctly] call Arizona for Joe Biden.

That brings up an interesting dilemma. The whole idea of right-wing news is its viewers want to hear only things they want to hear. Reality has no business on Fox, OAN, Newsmax or Breitbart. Only fairy tales work for them and their idiot fans.

 

[Montgomery]

Prediction: Fox News is about to climb out of the Trump bandwagon. Their mainstream section already has done so months ago but the entertainment section of their media has stayed loyal to Trump. That's quite understandable because it's selling well to their advertising sponsors.

But the break from Trump needs to come soon because Liz Cheney's support has just been proven to be more powerful with the GOP than Trump's side.
Trump has only the fringe left supporting him, while the rest are sticking close out of fear. The fear factor can't survive much longer.

Hannity and his ilk at Fox will be cautiously slow to make the turn to normalcy again, but they know they are going to have to be up with the curve so they aren't left out floundering in the pasture.

The upstart Oann and Newsmax will show the first signs of the break away from the crazy because they need to be on the 'in' side when it happens.
Watch those two carefully for signs of a political revival in America, as well as Fox News!

Prediction #2: Liz Cheney will be leading the march back to sanity for the GOP. Many Democrats will love her!

 

[ecofarm]

Are Republicans really going fringe? No more mainstream sources for Republicans? I hope not because that would be a done party. Libs piss me off in so many ways. I would hate to see Repubs bury themselves.

 

[lurchadams]

I too believe with giving credit when credit is due. Imagine the millions of Fox viewers that election night screaming at Fox for calling it for Biden. Fox stuck to their guns, that night, with being fair and balanced. Congrats! Now, you'll suffer the ramifications for the years of backing the lying loon-in-chief and, sadly, for your one night for calling it correctly last Nov.

Fox News Is Still Paying the Price for Being Right on Election Night (msn.com)

Not only should the call Fox News made this year, declaring Joe Biden the winner in Arizona just after midnight, be added to the annals of key calls — it has to be one of the most important calls ever. And not just on the political side. The ramifications for Fox News have been significant ever since.

In case you’ve forgotten, here’s the context for the call: Commentators had warned the public that initial returns could be skewed toward same-day voting, which favored Donald Trump. The impact of the incumbent having the lead early on in sufficient states, particularly battleground ones, would allow him to declare “victory” and then use that when actual total results were counted. And make no mistake: This was a carefully plotted strategy. Majority Republican legislators in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania blocked any counting of early voting until later, distorting the actual outcome.

What they didn’t count on was Arizona. It was also a swing state, and unlike other closely contested ones, it didn’t suppress the tallying of mail-in and other early ballots. As a result, Biden was ahead by as much a nine points early on.

Decision desks don’t call races based on votes counted immediately unless the trend is decisive and sufficient returns from all regions are in. But they called Arizona the same way all outlets do. They analyzed trends from different demographics, projected where the outstanding vote came from, and worked off mathematical models.

Theirs showed that Biden was the winner. Not the likely one, but the overwhelmingly certain one. And Fox calling it for Biden shot a whole right through the planned Trump “victory.”

If you refuse to carry the false prophet's water you are a traitor. Today's republican party is so, so badly broken!

 

[Montgomery]

Are Republicans really going fringe? No more mainstream sources for Republicans? I hope not because that would be a done party. Libs piss me off in so many ways. I would hate to see Repubs bury themselves.

They already went fringe and that has resulted in failure. Trump was rejected in your last election in case you didn't notice. Now the move is on by Liz Cheney who took the gamble of opposing Trump and has won.
Say hello to your next GOP presidential hopefull! All the stars are aligned!

 

[ecofarm]

They already went fringe and that has resulted in failure. Trump was rejected in your last election in case you didn't notice. Now the move is on by Liz Cheney who took the gamble of opposing Trump and has won.
Say hello to your next GOP presidential hopefull! All the stars are aligned!

I'm a big fan of her dad. Long live Darth Cheney.

 

[RealityNow]

FOX is getting what it deserves... its chose to be a mouth piece for evil promotions, and when the truth of Arizona came, which they could not deny, they had no choice but to acknowledge it.
Now... what they get for the years of malice and madness... is just dues and fact is there is more to come, because the vile FOX did over time is unforgivable because it was willful in the choice of doing what it has done.

Time should/will bring them to see many advertisers exit and no longer invest their ad money into them. ....

 

[Montgomery]

If you refuse to carry the false prophet's water you are a traitor. Today's republican party is so, so badly broken!

But already scrambling to move away from Trump! The party will protect Trump in his impeachment but had it been a couple of months later, it would have been too late to save him. The party is moving away from Trump faster and faster every day.

 

[lurchadams]

But already scrambling to move away from Trump! The party will protect Trump in his impeachment but had it been a couple of months later, it would have been too late to save him. The party is moving away from Trump faster and faster every day.

The party and Fox News are no longer in lockstep. One no longer has anything to do with the other.

 

[Montgomery]

FOX is getting what it deserves... its chose to be a mouth piece for evil promotions, and when the truth of Arizona came, which they could not deny, they had no choice but to acknowledge it.
Now... what they get for the years of malice and madness... is just dues and fact is there is more to come, because the vile FOX did over time is unforgivable because it was willful in the choice of doing what it has done.

Time should/will bring them to see many advertisers exit and no longer invest their ad money into them. ....

Fox will move to safer ground soon enough to save it's hide. Their sane section had done so months ago and Hannity @ co. will follow soon if they want to survive. Liz Cheney is now the GOP's star!

 

[Montgomery]

The party and Fox News are no longer in lockstep. One no longer has anything to do with the other.

Wrong! Chris Wallace and other serious people at Fox have already made the necessary move away from Trumpism nonsense.

 

[Montgomery]

I'm a big fan of her dad. Long live Darth Cheney.

The deserved hate of Dick can be overlooked by his detractors, but he will still be a drawing card for the majority of Repub supporters. Liz is a natural!
The Trumpers couldn't take her out when they tried. That was a direct matchup between her and Trump, symbolically.

 

[ecofarm]

The deserved hate of Dick can be overlooked by his detractors, but he will still be a drawing card for the majority of Repub supporters. Liz is a natural!
The Trumpers couldn't take her out when they tried. That was a direct matchup between her and Trump, symbolically.

There are so many Trumpers. Cheney has soo far to go to regain my trust. I'm afraid it could be decades.

 

[Rexedgar]

The deserved hate of Dick can be overlooked by his detractors, but he will still be a drawing card for the majority of Repub supporters. Liz is a natural!
The Trumpers couldn't take her out when they tried. That was a direct matchup between her and Trump, symbolically.

The Cheney vote should have been public, imo.

 

[ecofarm]

The Cheney vote should have been public, imo.

No comment on whether I have decades remaining? I am an old guy, ya know.

 

[Montgomery]

There are so many Trumpers. Cheney has soo far to go to regain my trust. I'm afraid it could be decades.

The American people who are still GOP supporters will be brought along when the time is right. The lead to Liz will be started by the party and it's pols in power. Their favouring of Liz over Trump told the story of America's future without Trump.
He was defeated in his election but he perhaps doesn't understand that yet. Everybody else does now! Even though the extremists can't bear to say so.

First get the impeachment trial out of the way. The GOP will save his a-s on principle only.

 

[ecofarm]

The American people who are still GOP supporters will be brought along when the time is right. The lead to Liz will be started by the party and it's pols in power. Their favouring of Liz over Trump told the story of America's future without Trump.
He was defeated in his election but he perhaps doesn't understand that yet. Everybody else does now! Even though the extremists can't bear to say so.

First get the impeachment trial out of the way. The GOP will save his a-s on principle only.

See ya in 5-20, I guess.

 

[Montgomery]

No comment on whether I have decades remaining? I am an old guy, ya know.

Trump's side would have fought hard to make it public. But they lost the fight and provided another example of Trump's loss of power, due to lack of majority support in the congress.