Found this on my Facebook...

[noonereal]

My buddy, a decorated Marine, posted this meme on Facebook.

First thing I thought was, "yeah, things have really improved."

I know that this was not his take on it. He clearly felt that it was better when people did not challenge the opinion of others for fear of physical retaliation.

In other words, physical might should be the final arbiter of debate. The bigger, more powerful should get their way. (generally this is determined by genetics, birth)

Is this really how society should be?

Did he even understand that this is what he is advocating?

 

[brothern]

Sharing memes on Facebook rarely delves deeper than the surface-level "feel good."

 

[ElChupacabra]

My buddy, a decorated Marine, posted this meme on Facebook.

First thing I thought was, "yeah, things have really improved."

I know that this was not his take on it. He clearly felt that it was better when people did not challenge the opinion of others for fear of physical retaliation.

In other words, physical might should be the final arbiter of debate. The bigger, more powerful should get their way. (generally this is determined by genetics, birth)

Is this really how society should be?

Did he even understand that this is what he is advocating?

My impression was a reference to people being sheltered from the consequences of saying nasty things through the anonymity of the internet. I completely agree with that sentiment. There are far too many internet macho men who I'm sure would not repeat the same things they put on the internet to someone's face. As for challenging opinions, it's something we should always be able to do in a respectable and intellectual manner; the problem is people identify with their views so when those views are challenged they tend to take it personally.

 

[Kal'Stang]

My buddy, a decorated Marine, posted this meme on Facebook.

First thing I thought was, "yeah, things have really improved."

I know that this was not his take on it. He clearly felt that it was better when people did not challenge the opinion of others for fear of physical retaliation.

In other words, physical might should be the final arbiter of debate. The bigger, more powerful should get their way. (generally this is determined by genetics, birth)

Is this really how society should be?

Did he even understand that this is what he is advocating?

Unless he told you that was his take on it I'd say you're reading far too much into it.

Back in the day if you insulted someone with what was considered "fighting words" they would duke it out. Unlike today where people use fighting words all the time on the internet because they know they're quite safe from being punched in the mouth. If you used "fighting words" back in the day you might have been stupid as hell, but you weren't a coward. Now a days most of the people that use "fighting words" only do so because they know they'll never have to face the consequences. For instance I can't count how many times some poster here at DP has offered to fight someone knowing full well that the person that they were talking to lived hundreds or thousands of miles away. Knowing that the person wouldn't travel that far just for a fight.

Pretty sure that is what your friend was talking about/thinking of when posting that.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Facebook memes... out of context pictures used to make a point they probably should not have tried to make.

 

[poweRob]

Sharing memes on Facebook rarely delves deeper than the surface-level "feel good."

 

[noonereal]

My impression was a reference to people being sheltered from the consequences of saying nasty things through the anonymity of the internet. I completely agree with that sentiment. There are far too many internet macho men who I'm sure would not repeat the same things they put on the internet to someone's face. As for challenging opinions, it's something we should always be able to do in a respectable and intellectual manner; the problem is people identify with their views so when those views are challenged they tend to take it personally.

So you believe physical violence is an appropriate response to unpleasant words...

Which leads to exactly what I posted. I just pulled away a few layers so you could understand yourself. (you being plural, all those that see this meme and agree)

 

[noonereal]

Unless he told you that was his take on it I'd say you're reading far too much into it.

Back in the day if you insulted someone with what was considered "fighting words" they would duke it out. Unlike today where people use fighting words all the time on the internet because they know they're quite safe from being punched in the mouth. If you used "fighting words" back in the day you might have been stupid as hell, but you weren't a coward. Now a days most of the people that use "fighting words" only do so because they know they'll never have to face the consequences. For instance I can't count how many times some poster here at DP has offered to fight someone knowing full well that the person that they were talking to lived hundreds or thousands of miles away. Knowing that the person wouldn't travel that far just for a fight.

Pretty sure that is what your friend was talking about/thinking of when posting that.

see my last post.

I said exactly what you are saying just a layer deeper.

Yes, my friend did not think it though as I stated it. Few do.

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Off subject, do you listen to Bach?

 

[PleasantValley]

My buddy, a decorated Marine, posted this meme on Facebook.

First thing I thought was, "yeah, things have really improved."

I know that this was not his take on it. He clearly felt that it was better when people did not challenge the opinion of others for fear of physical retaliation.

In other words, physical might should be the final arbiter of debate. The bigger, more powerful should get their way. (generally this is determined by genetics, birth)

Is this really how society should be?

Did he even understand that this is what he is advocating?

I am sure a few may disagree, but feel most people will agree with my take on this picture.

I think its message is when you have the possibility of getting punched in the face, it is better to be civil with others.
Even a smaller person will punch you in the face if you are being a complete Richard to them in real life. People have a limit to how much verbal abuse they will take.
On a computer trolls keep pushing people's emotions to a critical level and then brag about it, thinking they have won some victory.
Pushing their prey to a level to get them BANNED gives them even more joy.
I have an acquaintance who had this very thing happen to him right here on this site.
Some people are touchy about certain subjects, like their dead mothers, and some trolls take unfair advantage of this and did.

In real life, if you mention some insult to someone's mother it will usually get your nose flattened.
here in the internet talented trolls have learned how to skirt the rules or have a mod on their side that overlooks their behavior and can still insult someone's mother and get away with it with careful wording.
Some have even bragged about how many people they have pushed over the edge and gotten them banned while they who caused the whole mess, got away scott free.

I like the picture because none of these trolls dare try their antics in the real world.

The same antics they get away with over and over again, here on the internet.

This is how i see this picture and think most people will agree with me.

 

[Kal'Stang]

So you believe physical violence is an appropriate response to unpleasant words...

Which leads to exactly what I posted. I just pulled away a few layers so you could understand yourself. (you being plural, all those that see this meme and agree)

see my last post.

I said exactly what you are saying just a layer deeper.

Yes, my friend did not think it though as I stated it. Few do.

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Off subject, do you listen to Bach?

There are times when physical violence is appropriate. They're rare, but appropriate none the less. For instance if someone tells me that they're going to rape my 11 year old daughter you can be damn well sure that I'm going to punch them squarely in the nose....at the least.

I prefer Beethoven to Bach.

 

[noonereal]

I am sure a few may disagree,

Most will because it does not suit their want.

It just how humans are.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[noonereal]

There are times when physical violence is appropriate. They're rare, but appropriate none the less. For instance if someone tells me that they're going to rape my 11 year old daughter you can be damn well sure that I'm going to punch them squarely in the nose....at the least.

I prefer Beethoven to Bach.

Well, I only ask because I am sitting here enjoying a wonderful new release by Yo-Yo Ma, Six Evolutions: Bach Cello Suites.

If you enjoy Bach and the cello I can't see not enjoying this. It's a 2 cd set but inexpensive. I particularly enjoy disc one.

I am sure its available streaming from any service as well. I just prefer having a physical collection as I have been collecting for 50 years plus now. I just rip the disc when they come anyway but a collection is a collection so I continue with the hard copies.


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back on subject, when do you think physical violence is justifiable in the context to which we are speaking?

The 11 year old girl example is not in context.

 

[PleasantValley]

So you believe physical violence is an appropriate response to unpleasant words...

Which leads to exactly what I posted. I just pulled away a few layers so you could understand yourself. (you being plural, all those that see this meme and agree)

May I help you to understand?

Almost ALL people...can only tolerate so much verbal abuse.
When asking them to shut up and then telling them to shut up and stop does not work, then the only recourse left to most people to stop the abuse it to punch the source of that abuse in the place the abuse is coming from.

Like the onion you mentioned, this level varies with the person.
As your friend is a Marine, I would think his level is pretty shallow.
But then again, why would someone come up and start verbally abusing a Marine and NOT expect to get punched in the mouth.

You also have to examine what kind of person would say things like that in the first place.
In most people's minds, they are at very nice people and DESERVE to have a few teeth loosened.

 

[Hawkeye10]

My buddy, a decorated Marine, posted this meme on Facebook.

First thing I thought was, "yeah, things have really improved."

I know that this was not his take on it. He clearly felt that it was better when people did not challenge the opinion of others for fear of physical retaliation.

In other words, physical might should be the final arbiter of debate. The bigger, more powerful should get their way. (generally this is determined by genetics, birth)

Is this really how society should be?

Did he even understand that this is what he is advocating?

Did you notice that the falling guy is smiling?

This is a pic of good clean productive fun.

 

[PleasantValley]

So you believe physical violence is an appropriate response to unpleasant words...

Which leads to exactly what I posted. I just pulled away a few layers so you could understand yourself. (you being plural, all those that see this meme and agree)

When all other methods to shut them up and get them to stop has failed....YES.

 

[dorsai]

I am sure a few may disagree, but feel most people will agree with my take on this picture.

I think its message is when you have the possibility of getting punched in the face, it is better to be civil with others.

I for one agree with you. To paraphrase...an armed society is a polite society. I'm not advocating everyone be armed but civility is more likely when there is a real possibility of consequences for being uncivil. The internet removes all consequences and allows people to be the clowns they would never be face-to-face.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I for one agree with you. To paraphrase...an armed society is a polite society. I'm not advocating everyone be armed but civility is more likely when there is a real possibility of consequences for being uncivil. The internet removes all consequences and allows people to be the clowns they would never be face-to-face.

People who are uncivil on the internet are participating in the breakdown of society, there are consequences, but far too many are too dim to know.

 

[PleasantValley]

I for one agree with you. To paraphrase...an armed society is a polite society. I'm not advocating everyone be armed but civility is more likely when there is a real possibility of consequences for being uncivil. The internet removes all consequences and allows people to be the clowns they would never be face-to-face.

I was thinking that very thought when i first saw his picture.

Bullies want to bully, not fight.
The internet is a ripe playing field for them.
They can bully to their heart's content and not have any repercussions at all if they know how to stay just within the rules.

In real life they would not last five minutes if they tried what they do on-line.

 

[noonereal]

May I help you to understand?

Almost ALL people...can only tolerate so much verbal abuse.
When asking them to shut up and then telling them to shut up and stop does not work, then the only recourse left to most people to stop the abuse it to punch the source of that abuse in the place the abuse is coming from.

This is not true. All that is true is that emotion continues to build in many as verbal assault continues unabated.

There is no physiological response that triggers the movement of a fist that is involuntary. No such exaggerated twitch.

Like the onion you mentioned, this level varies with the person.
As your friend is a Marine, I would think his level is pretty shallow.
But then again, why would someone come up and start verbally abusing a Marine and NOT expect to get punched in the mouth.

Indeed, we all respond similarly to verbal provocation but not to the same degree.

You also have to examine what kind of person would say things like that in the first place.
In most people's minds, they are at very nice people and DESERVE to have a few teeth loosened.

Say things like what? I missed the detail????? (sorry if I did)

I don't think any words warrant a physical response unless it's a threat that you have reasonable reason to believe is valid.

 

[noonereal]

I for one agree with you. To paraphrase...an armed society is a polite society. I'm not advocating everyone be armed but civility is more likely when there is a real possibility of consequences for being uncivil. .

Interesting perspective.

You need to respect others intolerance or face physical harm.

I don't agree this benefits society in any meaningful way however.

The internet removes all consequences and allows people to be the clowns they would never be face-to-face

This is why I have long thought anonymity on the net was wrong from the beginning of the internet.

 

[noonereal]

People who are uncivil on the internet are participating in the breakdown of society, .

You'd have a hard time supporting this assertion in academia.

I take that back... you can find support for anything among the hair brained educated elite....

 

[PleasantValley]

This is not true. All that is true is that emotion continues to build in many as verbal assault continues unabated.

There is no physiological response that triggers the movement of a fist that is involuntary. No such exaggerated twitch.




Indeed, we all respond similarly to verbal provocation but not to the same degree.



Say things like what? I missed the detail????? (sorry if I did)

I don't think any words warrant a physical response unless it's a threat that you have reasonable reason to believe is valid.

I have just such an exaggerated twitch, and know of many others with the same exaggerated twitch. It is triggered involuntarily when someone crosses a line or gets up in our face. It exists in many Marines and Texans.

Say things like what? You are right i did not say. it varies with the individual as to what form of verbal abuse triggers their exaggerated twitch. Generally profane talk about their mothers and daughters is a good example.

...and YES, some words DO solicit a well deserved and immediate & effective punch in the face.

I could give an example if you like. It happened on the USS America as we were out briefly for a couple weeks doing CARQUALS (practice landings for new pilots). It took four of us to hold the guy back it was so bad.

 

[noonereal]

I have just such an exaggerated twitch, and know of many others with the same exaggerated twitch. It is triggered involuntarily when someone crosses a line or gets up in our face. It exists in many Marines and Texans.

Say things like what? You are right i did not say. it varies with the individual as to what form of verbal abuse triggers their exaggerated twitch. Generally profane talk about their mothers and daughters is a good example.

...and YES, so words DO solicit a well deserved and immediate & effective punch in the face.

I could give an example if you like.

I understand what you are saying, no examples needed.

Do realize though that I did not misstate fact. It is a choice to swing.

That some groups tend to choose this is cultural not a physical response. For example, the same Marine that physically can't control himself in a bar can hear the same words from his CO, up close and in his face and not move.

 

[PleasantValley]

I understand what you are saying, no examples needed.

Do realize though that I did not misstate fact. It is a choice to swing.

That some groups tend to choose this is cultural not a physical response. For example, the same Marine that physically can't control himself in a bar can hear the same words from his CO, up close and in his face and not move.

All true. You are completely right.

The thing is....once you see the loud mouthed "tough guy" on his knees and crying like a baby, when only a few seconds before he was a completely abusive prick, it justifies the whole scenario.

What was that, tough guy? say it again, one more time.
POW!
What? I didn't hear you. What was that?
POW!
What did you say about my (fill in the blank)?
POW!
We can have this conversation all night if you like.
or would you rather get up off the floor and shut your damned mouth and mind your own business?
I have other things to do too, but this is a conversation you wanted to happen.

Now get up! Your next drink is on me.

 

[noonereal]

All true. You are completely right.

The thing is....once you see the loud mouthed "tough guy" on his knees and crying like a baby, when only a few seconds before he was a completely abusive prick, it justifies the whole scenario.

What was that, tough guy? say it again, one more time.
POW!
What? I didn't hear you. What was that?
POW!
What did you say about my (fill in the blank)?
POW!
We can have this conversation all night if you like.
or would you rather get up off the floor and shut your damned mouth and mind your own business?
I have other things to do too, but this is a conversation you wanted to happen.

Now get up! Your next drink is on me.

lol


Yes, we all feel this way. Contemplated response is seldom invoked.