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Fort Stewart in Georgia goes on lockdown after reports of an ‘active shooter’

roguenuke said:
While weapons are controlled on a military base, it would be completely disingenuous to claim they are gun free zones. There is armed security all over bases and most are not that large that they would be the size of a city trying to get law enforcement out. There is a relatively short response time.

And you know I've been in the military.
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By that argument, there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Just zones where the proles aren't allowed to carry.
 
JMB1911A1 said:
I have no problem with any American, regardless of race, religion, or creed, owning firearms as long they are not a prohibited person.
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Too bad your other words and voting and support disagree with your statement.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Your claim that there are no guns on a military base is pretty stupid.
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Please quote that claim. It shouldn't be hard. We've only been talking about this for a handful of posts.
 
RF667799 said:
Please quote that claim. It shouldn't be hard. We've only been talking about this for a handful of posts.
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Yeah, and in those handful of posts you and gun guy #2 insisted the idea that there is security on a military base is the stuff of civilian fantasy. Then we had someone in the military tell you that isn't really accurate.

Sounds to me like you're confused about military bases. And guns.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Yeah, and in those handful of posts you and gun guy #2 insisted the idea that there is security on a military base is the stuff of civilian fantasy. Then we had someone in the military tell you that isn't really accurate.

Sounds to me like you're confused about military bases. And guns.
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Please quote where I said there are no guns on military bases. Despite that it shouldn't be too hard if your claim is true, it looks like you're already struggling.

Also, wasn't it YOU who brought up the idea of "gun free zones" in the first place?
 
RF667799 said:
By that argument, there is no such thing as a gun free zone. Just zones where the proles aren't allowed to carry.
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There are very few real gun free zones, truly. But this isn't even close.

We had a Sailor shoot himself on base, inside a secure area. Kinda hard to commit suicide if guns aren't available on base to at least some. There was also a shooting on San Diego base in the early 20-teens. Sailor was shot by base police responding to a DUI likely and the driver decided to run and try to run over one of the officers. Even had a shooting on the ship at sea when some of the Sailors were playing quick draw while on TAD to security and one of them got shot. It was reported as a "training accident". Guy survived.
 
The Brad Dad said:
I think a mass shooting on a military base is enough to break even gun people's brains.
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Why do you think it would be more difficult for a murderer to accomplish on a military base than elsewhere?
 
roguenuke said:
There are very few real gun free zones, truly. But this isn't even close.

We had a Sailor shoot himself on base, inside a secure area. Kinda hard to commit suicide if guns aren't available on base to at least some. There was also a shooting on San Diego base in the early 20-teens. Sailor was shot by base police responding to a DUI likely and the driver decided to run and try to run over one of the officers.
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I find it super odd based on so many arguments I've read online and here that guns being present didn't prevent this shooting. It just doesn't compute.
 
RF667799 said:
Why do you think it would be more difficult for a murderer to accomplish on a military base than elsewhere?
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I don't. You do. You've been arguing since I've been here that guns change those dynamics and make people safer. Yet when there's a shooting, your stance is some iteration of "nothing anyone can do". Here we have a scenario where there are known armed people on a MILITARY BASE, lots of them despite your lie about it, on site and *still* we have a shooting.

Fail harder at the one subject you love the most.
 
roguenuke said:
There are very few real gun free zones, truly. But this isn't even close.

We had a Sailor shoot himself on base, inside a secure area. Kinda hard to commit suicide if guns aren't available on base to at least some. There was also a shooting on San Diego base in the early 20-teens. Sailor was shot by base police responding to a DUI likely and the driver decided to run and try to run over one of the officers.
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A military base is often more "gun free" than the state that surrounds it. Does that hold true in this case? Is open and concealed carry allowed on Fort Stewart?
 
The Brad Dad said:
I find it super odd based on so many arguments I've read online and here that guns being present didn't prevent this shooting. It just doesn't compute.
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in a free society the citizens have a responsibility to do right/wrong ..... in rare cases, a person will choose against right and do wrong

it happens - sadly, but true. When it does? better hope someone who knows what's right is there to stop them
 
The argument about "gun free zones" has always been disingenuous as we have the right to travel in this country. At least we did? Still do, maybe? I haven't read Trump's latest EO's.
 
RF667799 said:
A military base is often more "gun free" than the state that surrounds it. Does that hold true in this case? Is open and concealed carry allowed on Fort Stewart?
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Complete lie. A military base is a tightly controlled secure area.
 
The Brad Dad said:
I don't. You do. You've been arguing since I've been here that guns change those dynamics and make people safer. Yet when there's a shooting, your stance is some iteration of "nothing anyone can do". Here we have a scenario where there are known armed people on a MILITARY BASE, lots of them despite your lie about it, on site and *still* we have a shooting.

Fail harder at the one subject you love the most.
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Quote me one time saying that allowing peaceful people to be armed is a guarantee that murders won't happen.

You made a dumb remark and now you're trying to build a strawman to get out from under it.
 
The Brad Dad said:
Complete lie. A military base is a tightly controlled secure area.
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So Fort Stewart is more "gun free" than the state of Georgia in which it is located. Where's the lie?
 
RF667799 said:
A military base is often more "gun free" than the state that surrounds it. Does that hold true in this case? Is open and concealed carry allowed on Fort Stewart?
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Doesn't need to be for people to still be armed and able to be there quickly. It is much more likely that military members who are armed on base are going to shoot someone out of anger or depression or bad reasons than to protect others. Most places do not have armed guards at several points and patrolling. Military bases do.

This guy obviously got a weapon, had one on base.
 
roguenuke said:
There are very few real gun free zones, truly. But this isn't even close.

We had a Sailor shoot himself on base, inside a secure area. Kinda hard to commit suicide if guns aren't available on base to at least some. There was also a shooting on San Diego base in the early 20-teens. Sailor was shot by base police responding to a DUI likely and the driver decided to run and try to run over one of the officers. Even had a shooting on the ship at sea when some of the Sailors were playing quick draw while on TAD to security and one of them got shot. It was reported as a "training accident". Guy survived.
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Yeah, in Grenada one MP shot his buddy in the head in their room at the Grenada Beach Hotel, which the 82nd had taken over as their HQ. Playing with his M1911A1. Stupidity sometimes wins out.

The CPF there was composed of mostly law enforcement who had never even held a gun in their lives, yet we issued them M1911s and ammo. THOSE guys had an absolute epidemic of bullet holes appearing in the ceilings of their barracks for a few days. Luckily, nobody hurt that I heard of, but I was tasked to quickly put together and implement a familiarization course of instruction that included lots of safety and an afternoon of range time.
 
roguenuke said:
Doesn't need to be for people to still be armed and able to be there quickly. It is much more likely that military members who are armed on base are going to shoot someone out of anger or depression or bad reasons than to protect others.
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I don't know how you arrive at that opinion.

roguenuke said:
Most places do not have armed guards at several points and patrolling. Military bases do.
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Off post they oten call those patrolling, armed individuals "cops".
roguenuke said:
This guy obviously got a weapon, had one on base.
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Guns aren't prohibited on Army posts, or at least weren't when I was in. You could keep guns in family quarters. Not in barracks. Concealed or open carry wasn't allowed. Guns had to be transported cased and unloaded. But there were lots of opportunities for recreational shooting and hunting on Fort Knox, which was where I spent the bulk of my time.
 
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