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Former POW with McCain would not vote for him

I'm sure you're aware that there is more than one vote cast in a given year of service. :roll:

Ah - you're going by number of votes. We were discussing it in terms of last year so I thought you were talking time-wise. You could have just said that you know
 
You both bring up very valid points. I was a strong proponent of McCain's last bid for the White House. But I do not see him now as I did back then. His pandering and canned political rhetoric along with his Rovarian campaign strategy has a very familiar odor about it. Now, I am on the fence undecided. When McCain was running in the primary's I was 100% McCain. I was about 85% McCain leaning during the Obama/Hillary slugfest. Now I am about, like, 50/0 % leaning towards McCain.

One thing, as of late, that got my goat about McCain was his pandering on TV urging Congress to get back to work on the crucial energy bill when he himself can't seem to find the time to be present to vote.

(CNN) — Presumptive Republican nominee John McCain called Monday for immediate congressional action on the nation’s energy crisis, joining a call by his Republican colleagues for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to call legislators back from their August recess for a special session.

The Arizona senator said he would return to vote on any proposal. McCain has missed Senate votes since April, including several involving major energy measures – one of which, a summer gas tax holiday, was a standard element of his spring stump speech.
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You know. Stuff like that makes me second guess the man.

I'll just be glad when this is all over.
 
"If you would go beyond the thread title you would see the reasons why this particular POW wouldn't vote for McCain, and how those reasons reflect on McCain's election campaign. Those reasons may or may not be good reasons, but this thread's purpose isn't to show that Philip Butler won't vote McCain"

So what. Big deal. I could care less who he's going to vote for. To me its very simple. We are in a storm right now and this storm is only going to get worse. So if you were about to board a plane to fly into this storm, would you rather have a seasoned pilot or would you rather have a guy that just graduated from pilot school? I am very shocked that this former POW doesn't think this way, but then again, I could say the same thing about you. The storm is coming. I hope your pilot is ready for it.
 
I have a sneaking suspicion that we're witnessing a Cinderella story. One Democrat poised to break new ground and introduce diversity into the White House for the first time ever, defies all odds to pull defeat from the jaws of victory and managea to lose to a man who votes with Dubya 95% of the time. A month ago I was of the opinion that if the American people elect McCain then they deserve McCain. Now I believe that if America elects McCain it's because Obama actually found a way to be more boring than McCain is

I think Obama's campaign staff is full of latte drinking post modern intellectuals who wallow in their elitism, laughing at the stupid citizens who could actually entertain the idea of voting for McCain. This is a bigger problem than Obama himself. He's the perfect Democratic candidate in many respects, but the people around him are ruining it for him. Their campaign has failed to hit McCain and slow his rise in the polls in battleground states.

They are really making the same mistake Hillary did in the beginning of the primary season. She thought she had it in the bag, and sort of withdrew from the battle, standing tall above the fray. By the time her campaign realized they were losing the lead, it was too late.

I think the Obama campaign has total cognizance at this point they need to fight. However, their state of mind is desperate, evidenced by calling all the media outlets to say McCain may have known the questions beforehand to the Warren event. Only a non-Christian would have thought up that idea to spread around; it's offensive as hell when one finds out they have zero evidence. They were desperate.

Their campaign staff better get on the ball, come up with some sharp attack ads, let Obama do the Townhalls (make Obama right for it though, by saying Obama has had enough with the misleading sentiments of John McCain and wants to take it up directly with the American people with McCain present so no one can misunderstand...), drill drill drill Obama before every debate so he drops all the umms and ahhhs and shows some passion and energy with direct answers to questions, that stays on message.

Obama needs to shore up leads in blue states like Minnesota, Michigan, Indiana, and New Hampshire; and try to win Virginia and Ohio. I would also put him in Florida and Pennsylvania occasionally. I wouldn't even bother with the west - most are decided and that's going to reduce the wear and tear on Obama; just keep him centralized in those eastern states, making that the entire campaign trail.

Basically, Obama needs to fight - this is very much up for grabs, particularly trend wise which shows McCain gaining in popularity. The Republican machine is fierce, it's no holds barred, it's a cage match that Obama will lose if he doesn't put his game face on, make his campaign staff do their homework and make the right moves.

In the end I think the stage is set to have an upset victory for McCain, but Obama still has the charisma to woo the American people still undecided. It will be a test of will and leadership if Obama can survive the attacks, stay on message and charm the American people into giving him the nod.
 
Why I Will Not Vote for John McCain



Let the right wing bashing commence on this war hero... Let me guess, they will try to paint him as a traitor, terrorist lover, liberal, commie, homosexual, or paid by the Clintons... did I miss any of the usual slurs?

A very kandid article from one who lived through what McCain did, and worse.

I am a retired member of the military and would not vote for McCain either. He is not representative of the military nor those who have served or are serving simply because he served nor is he indicative of POW's because he was a POW.
 
I am a retired member of the military and would not vote for McCain either. He is not representative of the military nor those who have served or are serving simply because he served nor is he indicative of POW's because he was a POW.

:agree:yt:werd
 
"I am a retired member of the military and would not vote for McCain either. He is not representative of the military nor those who have served or are serving simply because he served nor is he indicative of POW's because he was a POW."

I will start by saying thank you for your service and I do mean that. McCain may not be a representative of the military or of POW's, but, he was both. Barack Hussein Obama was neither. He has nothing on his resume. So why do you want someone with no training to be your commander and chief? Didn't we learn anything from electing Jimmy Carter?
 
I will start by saying thank you for your service and I do mean that. McCain may not be a representative of the military or of POW's, but, he was both. Barack Hussein Obama was neither. He has nothing on his resume. So why do you want someone with no training to be your commander and chief? Didn't we learn anything from electing Jimmy Carter?

Because being commander in chief is not a military position. It's a political leadership position. Use of military force is a political tool. It's a means to a political end. Having served or not served is not a benefit or a detriment. Sound logic, solid policy, and good diplomatic skills are what is required for being a President. Not "how do I drop a bomb, how do I land on a carrier, how do I survive being tortured." The President has professional military men to worry about those kinds of things...when they legitimately need to be worried about.
 
"Because being commander in chief is not a military position. It's a political leadership position."
So what makes you think Obama can do any of this? Where's his record? Where's his training?

"Use of military force is a political tool. It's a means to a political end. Having served or not served is not a benefit or a detriment."
I agree, but, I do think having someone in office that has been there, done it, and got a t-shirt is better than someone who hasn't done a dang thing. JMO

"Sound logic, solid policy, and good diplomatic skills are what is required for being a President."
Again, what do we know about Obama's experience in these matters? He has no track record at all.

"Not "how do I drop a bomb, how do I land on a carrier, how do I survive being tortured."
You cannot sell anyone short for experience and McCain has much more than Obama. Even you must admit to that. This is one of my concerns with Obama.

"The President has professional military men to worry about those kinds of things...when they legitimately need to be worried about."
But the President makes the call, not the military men. Again, who do you want flying your plane?
 
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I know that but your really worried DD.......In and election where you should win by 20 points it is a statistical tie and we know why.........

You know that? Wow..... but hate to tell you....as usual, you are wrong.

Clearly if Obama were an inexperienced, inarticulate....empty suit, muslim, crazy christian......and McCain is still losing in poll after poll....

What does that say about McCain?
 
I am a retired member of the military and would not vote for McCain either. He is not representative of the military nor those who have served or are serving simply because he served nor is he indicative of POW's because he was a POW.

Except that he is....
 
"I am a retired member of the military and would not vote for McCain either. He is not representative of the military nor those who have served or are serving simply because he served nor is he indicative of POW's because he was a POW."

I will start by saying thank you for your service and I do mean that. McCain may not be a representative of the military or of POW's, but, he was both. Barack Hussein Obama was neither. He has nothing on his resume. So why do you want someone with no training to be your commander and chief? Didn't we learn anything from electing Jimmy Carter?

Being in the military does not qualify someone to be CiC nor qualify them for being PotUS.
 
McCain has a record and a background that everyone knows. Obama has nothing. You can't knock McCain for his service to his country but you can sure knock Obama for his service to his pastor.

You can look at McCain's record over the years and its pretty simple to see how he feels about things but you can't do the same for Obama.

You can look at McCains money backers and at least you know who he'll owe favors to. As for Obama, well he gets much of his money from over the internet and according to Mr. Gaddafi, he gets much of it from Muslim countries that want him to win the election. I wonder why our enemies want Barack Hussein Obama to win?

YouTube - Gaddafi: Obama is a Muslim

If Obama wins this election, and there is a very good chance he will, there will be Muslims dancing in the streets all over this world because they will be convienced that they have won.
 
So what makes you think Obama can do any of this? Where's his record? Where's his training?
I look at the two candidates we have before us and I look at McCain's history of supporting Bush in waging unnecessary war. In fact he believes we did the right thing. Fundamentally, McCain is flawed. He chose very poorly and that resulted in grave consequences for this nation and for others.

I agree, but, I do think having someone in office that has been there, done it, and got a t-shirt is better than someone who hasn't done a dang thing. JMO
When I compare their track records I don't care about the number of years, I care about what they did with those years. McCain made a mess of things with his. I don't want him getting four years as CiC to do it again.
Again, what do we know about Obama's experience in these matters? He has no track record at all.
That he didn't vote to take this nation into a needless war and throw us trillions in debt.

You cannot sell anyone short for experience and McCain has much more than Obama. Even you must admit to that. This is one of my concerns with Obama.
What does that experience amount to realistically?

But the President makes the call, not the military men. Again, who do you want flying your plane?
Somebody who isn't hotheaded and predisposed to start bombing. McCain made very bad choices as a Senator. I don't overlook that.
 
McCain has a record and a background that everyone knows. Obama has nothing. You can't knock McCain for his service to his country but you can sure knock Obama for his service to his pastor.

You can look at McCain's record over the years and its pretty simple to see how he feels about things but you can't do the same for Obama.

You can look at McCains money backers and at least you know who he'll owe favors to. As for Obama, well he gets much of his money from over the internet and according to Mr. Gaddafi, he gets much of it from Muslim countries that want him to win the election. I wonder why our enemies want Barack Hussein Obama to win?

YouTube - Gaddafi: Obama is a Muslim

If Obama wins this election, and there is a very good chance he will, there will be Muslims dancing in the streets all over this world because they will be convienced that they have won.

So are you thinking American Muslims shouldn't vote since they'll be dancing in the streets when Obama wins?
 
I think any American should vote. I just hope each voter thinks about it really hard. And to answer your question, heck yes they'll be dancing. It seems to me that there was video of them dancing when our towers fell. If they're fellow brother wins then I guess they'll have reason to party again.
 
I think any American should vote. I just hope each voter thinks about it really hard. And to answer your question, heck yes they'll be dancing. It seems to me that there was video of them dancing when our towers fell. If they're fellow brother wins then I guess they'll have reason to party again.

First your charge is false in intimating that Obama is a muslim (as in Barack Hussein Obama). You're simply regurgitating right-wing tripe used to cause fear in their sheep. That said I too hold that every American must weigh their vote and vote accordingly...including muslim Americans but just because they may vote contrary to your inclination or desire in no way impeaches Obama as the next PotUS.
 
"First your charge is false in intimating that Obama is a muslim (as in Barack Hussein Obama)."
Wrong. Don't you know that Muslims consider him to be a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. They teach that a son of a Muslim is a Muslim, period. I don't view him as a Muslim. Heck, I don't know what he is because he won't tell me.

"I too hold that every American must weigh their vote and vote accordingly...including muslim Americans but just because they may vote contrary to your inclination or desire in no way impeaches Obama as the next PotUS."
I agree with that as I did before. We are all free to vote for which candidate we feel is the best. If Obama wins, watch your TV. I hope they have live footage from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and Egypt to name only a few. I think there will be many soft hearted liberal Americans that will be thrilled to see our enemies celebrating what they feel will be Muslim victory.
 
"First your charge is false in intimating that Obama is a muslim (as in Barack Hussein Obama)."
Wrong. Don't you know that Muslims consider him to be a Muslim because his father was a Muslim. They teach that a son of a Muslim is a Muslim, period. I don't view him as a Muslim. Heck, I don't know what he is because he won't tell me.

Is that you bhkad?
 
I think there will be many soft hearted liberal Americans that will be thrilled to see our enemies celebrating what they feel will be Muslim victory.

The whole world would be celebrating an Obama victory. Obama was heavily favored in 20 of 24 countries in an international poll. Only in Jordan, Pakistan, Egypt and Lebanon (all Muslim majority countries) did the poll responders believe US foreign policy would worsen with Obama.

Obama favored over McCain in world poll - UPI.com
 
Translation: you just had to throw a nasty jab in there with no substance or ability to substantiate it. Gotcha.

Are you saying he doesn't have a history of anger issues? Are you saying he isn't old?
 
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