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Former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy sentenced to 20 years

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Former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy sentenced to 20 years

The sentence is 20 years without parole. He is also standing trial in three other cases, including two on charges of espionage.
 
This should ensure continued mess in Egypt, there is no other way to see it.
 
Simpleχity;1064549379 said:
Former Egyptian President Mohamed Morsy sentenced to 20 years


The sentence is 20 years without parole. He is also standing trial in three other cases, including two on charges of espionage.
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Well, he was a pretty unpleasant creature for and played a nasty hand of cheat. It is good he is gone, but I don't know that this was not a Political Court like in Russia.
 
military quashed the opposition in one fell swoop
for a generation
unless a replacement has the courage to come forward
 
justabubba said:
military quashed the opposition in one fell swoop
for a generation
unless a replacement has the courage to come forward
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You support the MB in Egypt?
 
ecofarm said:
You support the MB in Egypt?
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i support democracy
do you support the military's removal of publicly elected heads of government?
 
justabubba said:
i support democracy
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And the MB? How does that work.

do you support the military's removal of publicly elected heads of government?
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Depends on the legitimacy of the election and what the elected do after entering office. Being elected, even legitimately, does not guarantee benevolent and law abiding leadership. A policy of "once elected one can do as they please" seems stupid. Of course, that line of "logic" has served many well throughout history... Saddam...
 

then it appears you do not support democracy
share with us who should determine who the state's leaders should properly be
 
ecofarm said:
Idiocy not worthy of a response. Good day.
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you insist you support democracy while endorsing the removal of the elected head of government

this is a wonderful day
 
justabubba said:
this is a wonderful day
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Let's not get overly excited. It's just another day of you spewing horribly ignorant misconceptions on the internet (because no one will accept such garbage in person). Nothing special really.
 
justabubba said:
military quashed the opposition in one fell swoop
for a generation
unless a replacement has the courage to come forward
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Seems they had help JB, and note the former UN inspector even came out and said Morsi had lost his mind. How come some of Ministers broke rank and joined all the people of Egypt that were protesting Morsi?


Tens of thousands of citizens have gathered in the streets of Cairo and other cities, with protests once again centered on Tahrir Square. Most are shouting for Morsi to leave, but he also many supporters who are gearing for battle and prepared to fight to defend him. (At least 16 people were killed in fighting at Cairo University last night.) There's obviously a lot of uncertainty at the moment, but here's a short timeline of what we do know will happen:

8:24 a.m. ET: Mohamed ElBaradei, a former presidential candidate (and U.N. nuclear inspector), says that Morsi has "lost his mind" and has asked the army to step in to prevent more bloodshed. He is also allegedly meeting with the Egyptian defense minister to discuss the next steps. ElBaradei is the leader of Egypt's main opposition party and has become an unofficial representative for the anti-government protesters.

10:10 a.m. ET: Even if the military doesn't launch a coup, Morsi government is in danger of collapsing on its own and many top ministers and other officials have resigned in solidarity with the protesters......snip~

Tahrir Square Erupts in Cheers as Morsi Is Removed from Office - The Wire
 
ecofarm said:
Let's not get overly excited. It's just another day of you spewing horribly ignorant misconceptions on the internet (because no one will accept such garbage in person). Nothing special really.
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it's a wonderful day
full of april sunshine and azalea blossoms
and another one in which you are found incapable of defending your bogus assertions
 
justabubba said:
it's a wonderful day
full of april sunshine and azalea blossoms
and another one in which you are found incapable of defending your bogus assertions
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:screwy
 
justabubba said:
i support democracy
do you support the military's removal of publicly elected heads of government?
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democracy has some other elements as well as holding elections considering we dont live in ancient times in Greece

if a president being elected is the solution to all problems why do you all cry about democracy ,freedoms etc? ,that is what I dont get .democracy is a mask which everyone wears in another way
 
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justabubba said:
then it appears you do not support democracy
share with us who should determine who the state's leaders should properly be
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It's more complex. While Morsi had been elected, following his election he started to rule in an increasingly authoritarian fashion and issued decrees that would have eliminated checks and balances on his rule. From The New York Times:

With a constitutional assembly on the brink of collapse and protesters battling the police in the streets over the slow pace of change, President Mohamed Morsi issued a decree on Thursday granting himself broad powers above any court as the guardian of Egypt’s revolution, and used his new authority to order the retrial of Hosni Mubarak.

Mr. Morsi, an Islamist and Egypt’s first elected president, portrayed his decree as an attempt to fulfill popular demands for justice and protect the transition to a constitutional democracy. But the unexpected breadth of the powers he seized raised immediate fears that he might become a new strongman. Seldom in history has a postrevolutionary leader amassed so much personal power only to relinquish it swiftly.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/23/w...president-morsi-gives-himself-new-powers.html
 
justabubba said:
then it appears you do not support democracy
share with us who should determine who the state's leaders should properly be
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Democracy isn't simply about elections.
By supporting a party that's behaving undemocratically you are not supporting democracy, you are opposing it.
 


Yep that true DS. :2wave: Its also why El Baradei became the leader of the Anti Morsi Opposition Crowd. Seems many forgot the former UN inspector speaking out against Morsi and the MB.




2:20 p.m. ET: Reuters reports that opposition leader Mohamed ElBaradei, alongside a group of Egyptian clerics, will present the new "road map" for the future government. Their endorsement would add legitimacy to what could otherwise be seen as authoritarian power grab by the military.

2:46 p.m. ET: For a little more background on why Egyptians are so upset with Mohammed Morsi, check out these articles about the discontent, much of which is held over from the Mubarak Era. The short answer: A lousy economy, corruption, a lack of security, and too much influence from the religious leaders in the Muslim Brotherhood. Tough to fix in one year, but he hasn't made good on many of his promises. Apparently, one of the final straws was his attendance at a rally with hard-line Islamists urging holy war against the Assad regime in Syria. (Which also sort of explains why Syria is throwing him under the bus now.)

As the celebration continues well into the evening, the top religious leaders have supported the army's road to a democracy. Top Islamic and Coptic Christian leaders all supported the army's decision, according to Reuters, as did the top opposition leaders.....snip~

Tahrir Square Erupts in Cheers as Morsi Is Removed from Office - The Wire
 
Apocalypse said:
Democracy isn't simply about elections.
By supporting a party that's behaving undemocratically you are not supporting democracy, you are opposing it.
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yes, that is why, in America, when an elected president displeases us, we allow the military to overthrow him
democracy is about process. one the military eliminated in egypt
 


:screwy

Care to elaborate?

What other "elements" as well as holding elections? If elections are not there, is it democracy?

And if so, please justify that through the writings of established political scientists
 
justabubba said:
yes, that is why, in America, when an elected president displeases us, we allow the military to overthrow him
democracy is about process. one the military eliminated in egypt
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You believe that an elected President can grant himself endless powers the way Morsi did or how Hitler did after the Nazi party was elected.
The American people disagree with you, as they believe in Democracy, something you clearly oppose.
 
justabubba said:
yes, that is why, in America, when an elected president displeases us, we allow the military to overthrow him
democracy is about process. one the military eliminated in egypt
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So what would we do if both parties and our Military. Our Civil Rights leaders and Religious leaders, all decided to use the Military against a President that surrounded himself with a Personal Army and just EO'd pretty much everything, then we held an election?

Seems that's what the Egyptians did, huh?
 
Fearandloathing said:
:screwy

Care to elaborate?

What other "elements" as well as holding elections? If elections are not there, is it democracy?

And if so, please justify that through the writings of established political scientists
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:shock: dont you know what democracy is ?
 
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