For those who had both a loving mother and father

[Crusader13]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

Your actual argument is that you think these children are better off without any parents than with gay ones. Nobody is stripping children from their natural parents to give them to gay couples. A child in any living environment with multiple parents is better than an orphanage or foster care.

Check your hatred, you do not care about what's best for the children, only about pushing your own agenda. No child ever has any say as to who their parents are.

 

[TheDoctorWasIn]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

Did you just step out of a time warp, straight from 1998?

Aren't we passed this by now?

 

[Slavister]

Your actual argument is that you think these children are better off without any parents than with gay ones. Nobody is stripping children from their natural parents to give them to gay couples. A child in any living environment with multiple parents is better than an orphanage or foster care.

^^^ This

By OPs logic, he might as well have said
- 'If you enjoyed having loving relatively normal height parents, how can we subject kids to having too-short ones?'
- 'If you enjoyed having loving relatively healthy parents, how can we subject kids to having disabled ones?'
- 'If you enjoyed having loving white parents, how can we subject kids to having black parents?'

 

[Rickeroo]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

I agree with the hierarchy, but not the "not allowed" part. It's true that opposite sex, married parents in a stable home are empirically the best way to go. A notch down would be parents that stick their kids in daycare while they foolishly work the same full time hours. A single parent (or broken home) is a severe notch down from there - there's abandonment / incompleteness and a lack of a male role model. With gay parents, I'm not sure where that would lie in the hierarchy, but it's certainly not ideal.

It's not illegal to deprecate the family unit, just like it's not illegal to waste money on booze, cigarettes and lottery tickets. Our society thinks little of children anyway - but that doesn't mean that there isn't an empirically superior parenting demographic.

 

[Crusader13]

Your actual argument is that you think these children are better off without any parents than with gay ones. Nobody is stripping children from their natural parents to give them to gay couples. A child in any living environment with multiple parents is better than an orphanage or foster care.

Check your hatred, you do not care about what's best for the children, only about pushing your own agenda. No child ever has any say as to who their parents are.

No, my argument is that if you enjoyed a loving mother and father, what gives you the right to introduce policies which would take that same privilege away from children? You don't get to pass of legitimate concerns as hatred just because you don't like the idea.

In your scenario, we should be giving priority to encourage heterosexual couples to adopt children. Hypothetically, there could be a situation where a child is adopted by gay parents yet had they perhaps waited longer they would be adopted by heterosexual couple instead.

 

[HumblePi]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

In the mind of a young child growing up, their parents aren't cherished because of their gender. Did you love your mother because she was a woman or because she was a loving mother? Did you respect and love your father because his gender was male or because he supported the family, guided you in the right directions in life, and stood by you through difficult times? Loving parents are not, or should not be, decided by gender.

 

[RabidAlpaca]

No, my argument is that if you enjoyed a loving mother and father, what gives you the right to introduce policies which would take that same privilege away from children? You don't get to pass of legitimate concerns as hatred just because you don't like the idea.

In your scenario, we should be giving priority to encourage heterosexual couples to adopt children. Hypothetically, there could be a situation where a child is adopted by gay parents yet had they perhaps waited longer they would be adopted by heterosexual couple instead.

Your post is catastrophically stupid. Nobody is stripping children from loving families to give them to gays. Go spew your hate elsewhere. It's better to have gay parents than no parents at all.

There are millions of children in orphanages and foster care and your bigoted ass is trying to say we should leave them there. **** that.

 

[MollyBrown]

Hello backward thinking.

The math is simply better. Two loving parents is better then none. Unless you think kids are being stolen from straight families to give to gay families.

 

[americanwoman]

No, my argument is that if you enjoyed a loving mother and father, what gives you the right to introduce policies which would take that same privilege away from children? You don't get to pass of legitimate concerns as hatred just because you don't like the idea.

In your scenario, we should be giving priority to encourage heterosexual couples to adopt children. Hypothetically, there could be a situation where a child is adopted by gay parents yet had they perhaps waited longer they would be adopted by heterosexual couple instead.

Paying my taxes and being a citizen gives me the right to input my opinion on the people who do make the policies so all children can have the opportunity to have good parents, no matter if they are straight or not. Kids who need homes are going to be able to be adopted by the first best candidate not waiting around 'just in case'. That's pretty messed up if you really are concerned about a child's well being like you act.

 

[Crusader13]

Hello backward thinking.

The math is simply better. Two loving parents is better then none. Unless you think kids are being stolen from straight families to give to gay families.

By that logic you could say two former drug addicted parents are better than none. Two parents with a history of violence are better than none. Even though they may have reformed and not mistreat the child, do you not see how simply giving children to anyone who wants them isn't ideal?

 

[Old 'N Chill]

I had a good loving mother and father growing up, and in no way would I deny a gay couple from adopting a child who needed a home and loving family. I am not homophobic, and I don't think any less of gay people than I do straight people. People who are caring and have love in their hearts to raise a child should be welcomed to adopt, that's the whole point. Any child would be very lucky to be adopted by loving parents, period.

There are bad people people in all categories, religion, race, gender, etc. Remember the loving parents, David and Louse Turpin who chained their 13 kids to the bed for years, starving and abusing them?

 

[RaleBulgarian]

I had a good loving mother and father growing up, and in no way would I deny a gay couple from adopting a child who needed a home and loving family. I am not homophobic, and I don't think any less of gay people than I do straight people. People who are caring and have love in their hearts to raise a child should be welcomed to adopt, that's the whole point. Any child would be very lucky to be adopted by loving parents, period.

There are bad people people in all categories, religion, race, gender, etc. Remember the loving parents, David and Louse Turpin who chained their 13 kids to the bed for years, starving and abusing them?

:applaud

 

[Acadia]

I had a good loving mother and father growing up, and in no way would I deny a gay couple from adopting a child who needed a home and loving family. I am not homophobic, and I don't think any less of gay people than I do straight people. People who are caring and have love in their hearts to raise a child should be welcomed to adopt, that's the whole point. Any child would be very lucky to be adopted by loving parents, period.

There are bad people people in all categories, religion, race, gender, etc. Remember the loving parents, David and Louse Turpin who chained their 13 kids to the bed for years, starving and abusing them?

This. A loving home with loving parents is what matters to the child. I think looking at it from the loved child's pov will tell you that's what matters.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

^^ Pure idiocy.

 

[Old 'N Chill]

By that logic you could say two former drug addicted parents are better than none. Two parents with a history of violence are better than none. Even though they may have reformed and not mistreat the child, do you not see how simply giving children to anyone who wants them isn't ideal?

It sounds like you're comparing a gay couple who want to open their home and hearts to a child in need with drug addicts, violent criminals, etc. That is way out of line and very unfair. I imagine from your posts that you just plain hate gay people, why don't you just come out and say it? Why bring a child who needs a home and it up for adoption into the mix?

Would you like gay neighbors, a gay roommate, your son or daughter to be gay, a gay coworker? Are you fine with gays and treat them as equals except for adoption? If you are, then adoption shouldn't make a difference. If you're not, you're just homophobic. I take it you're the latter, in which case this thread is misleading at best.

 

[Helix]

How do you reconcile the belief that gay parents should be allowed to adopt children, while simultaneously denying said children the same joy of both a male and female parent?

Anyone who's ever had a good mother and father should surely see that it is not right to strip children of the same joy. Granted there are unfortunate circumstances when a child grows up with a single parent, but we shouldn't be facilitating this.

The argument that same sex couples can do an equal or better job as heterosexual couples is also irrelevant here. The fact is there are only 2 genders and most kids will only ever have 2 parents. It makes sense that every child experience what it's like to be parented by both as opposed to only one.

The worst thing about this, is that most children don't even get a say in the matter.

My parents were stable and always there when I needed them, and still are. That's the important part of being a parent.

 

[RaleBulgarian]

It's true that opposite sex, married parents in a stable home are empirically the best way to go.

More idiocy.
Children raised by same-sex parents do as well as their peers, study shows | Australia news | The Guardian

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...ier-than-peers-research-shows/?outputType=amp

Same-sex and different-sex parent households and child health outcomes: findings from the National Survey of Children’s Health

Kids in the longest-running study of same-sex parenting are doing just fine at 25 – ThinkProgress