For our confused friends on the left:

[hiker]

I could not have supported an invasion of Iran then or now. Reason one, our military and countries loosely allied with the US are on every border Iran has. They are contained from being a military threat to us or anyone else.

Reason two, in comparing Iran to Iraq, it is truly night and day. Iraq was a dictatorship, not a theocracy. The leading power in Iraq, the Sunnis, were very much a minority and easily replaced by the willing majority Shia. In Iran, the Shia are the rulers and the ruled. That gives the government much more legitimacy in the eyes of the governed, who also share the same beliefs as their leaders. The majority of Iraqis were not willing to fight to preserve an oppressive minority, the majority of Iranians would see an attack on their leaders and their country in a much different light. An invasion of Iran would most certainly mean the willful slaughter of civilians, many times more than fought for Saddam.

Third reason, the Iranians are open trading partners with Russia, China, and many more nations that would be vehemently opposed to such an invasion. How opposed, we do not know. No use in beginning a broader war, we could not win at this point. If faced with an impossible military situation, we still hold the nuclear trump card. Let us not even have to think of that, no matter what the administration may have in mind...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051026083447.htm

“the new policy allows the U.S. to use nuclear weapons against states that do not have nuclear weapons and for a host of new reasons, including rapid termination of a conflict on U.S. terms or to ensure success of the U.S. forces.”

Think about that before you call it unthinkable.

And finally, I want to believe that we can talk Iran down from the nuclear ledge. Once a country has become too dependant on it's allies and trading partners for it to stay afloat otherwise, it tends to turn rogues into conformists. Look at Vietnam, recently Libya, South Africa, many more...nations that have too much to lose and nothing to gain from being a rebel. Iran has too many outside pressures and has ceeded too much of it's future economic potential to other countries to be taking stands for nuclear proliferation. They can talk all they want, but the last thing the Iranian government needs is to be cut off from the world and become another North Korea. The clerics in control have to know the people would not stand for it. The people of Iran want change, I do not doubt that. But they, like us, want to change from within and would fiercely oppose an invading force no matter how much they may disagree with their rulers.

 

[SKILMATIC]

I could not have supported an invasion of Iran then or now. Reason one, our military and countries loosely allied with the US are on every border Iran has. They are contained from being a military threat to us or anyone else.

Reason two, in comparing Iran to Iraq, it is truly night and day. Iraq was a dictatorship, not a theocracy. The leading power in Iraq, the Sunnis, were very much a minority and easily replaced by the willing majority Shia. In Iran, the Shia are the rulers and the ruled. That gives the government much more legitimacy in the eyes of the governed, who also share the same beliefs as their leaders. The majority of Iraqis were not willing to fight to preserve an oppressive minority, the majority of Iranians would see an attack on their leaders and their country in a much different light. An invasion of Iran would most certainly mean the willful slaughter of civilians, many times more than fought for Saddam.

Third reason, the Iranians are open trading partners with Russia, China, and many more nations that would be vehemently opposed to such an invasion. How opposed, we do not know. No use in beginning a broader war, we could not win at this point. If faced with an impossible military situation, we still hold the nuclear trump card. Let us not even have to think of that, no matter what the administration may have in mind...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051026083447.htm



Think about that before you call it unthinkable.

And finally, I want to believe that we can talk Iran down from the nuclear ledge. Once a country has become too dependant on it's allies and trading partners for it to stay afloat otherwise, it tends to turn rogues into conformists. Look at Vietnam, recently Libya, South Africa, many more...nations that have too much to lose and nothing to gain from being a rebel. Iran has too many outside pressures and has ceeded too much of it's future economic potential to other countries to be taking stands for nuclear proliferation. They can talk all they want, but the last thing the Iranian government needs is to be cut off from the world and become another North Korea. The clerics in control have to know the people would not stand for it. The people of Iran want change, I do not doubt that. But they, like us, want to change from within and would fiercely oppose an invading force no matter how much they may disagree with their rulers.

As much as most of your info is correct there are a couple of descrepencies. Most of Iraq was also surrounded by allied forces before the iraqi war so in that case it wasnt night and day.

On 2) we went into Iraq much more than just to remove sadaam and free the iraqi people. In Iran we wouldnt just be removing their gov but we would be extrapulating the ever present terrorists that harbor there.

On 3) And Iraq wasnt trading partners with many big nations? And in WW2 we were fighting in many fronts all over the world against many other threats as well. This would be a peace of cake as long as the liberals just shut up and the politics stay our of the militaries way.

Lastly, there is no such thing as reason with these people unless when it comes to money.

I think amidst some of our disagreements this was the most intelligent debate I have had on this forum in a very long time. I must congratulate you on that. The rest of the mental disorders can learn many things from you.

 

[Conflict]

Your certainly welcome. Yes, I love the 2jz and it has been an awesome car and proven that time and time again. Saleen and Cobra have also proven that they are very well proven in the racing field. Although I am a car lover period I would have to conjecture that I love the old mustangs better. The old cobras were better IMO. However, 03 Cobras(blown) are putting out somehting like around 400 right?

I love my 97 LE it is a colectors car and it hasnt depreciated in value at all since I bought it. It came with 380rwhp stock and I have been able to modify mine to over 800rwhp. I love the saleen sr becasue it reminds me of a supra. As you can tell one of my favorite cars is a supra. My dad just purchased a 05 Mustang GT. That is also a very beautiful car.

Well I will be looking forward to the logic you will bring to this forum and my ears will sing becasue I hear more common sense in the forum. Thankgod there are more people like you and I in this country or else we would be a socialist republic.

This thread has a topic and it does not pertain to two people debating what they don't know about import tuners and american muscle. THe saleen mustang and the toyota supra have nothing in common. One is a vertical 8 the other is an in-line 6. One is naturally aspirated the other comes set for twin sequential turbines. However, I've owned a supra myself and I can just tell you right now that a saleen mustang is like a snail compared to the potential of a late model supra. I had a completely HKS tuned Mr2 that pushed 550bhp and would pull a quarter mile in 10 flat. With an a rear engine 4 banger the size if your intercoolers and engine fans. Poop on you.

 

[SKILMATIC]

This thread has a topic and it does not pertain to two people debating what they don't know about import tuners and american muscle.

Ok well why are you talking about them then? :lol:

THe saleen mustang and the toyota supra have nothing in common.

When did I ever say they had things in common? I said it reminded me of the supra due to the front light assembly ressembles much like that of the 2jz.

One is a vertical 8 the other is an in-line 6. One is naturally aspirated the other comes set for twin sequential turbines

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Not all supras come with 2 turbos. There are NA ones as well. And some of the svt cobras are blown.

However, I've owned a supra myself and I can just tell you right now that a saleen mustang is like a snail compared to the potential of a late model supra.

Well thats due to the weight to hp ratio and the gearing on each of the cars. Plus twin turbos will always have a much higher output of power than NA or supercharged applicationed vehicles.

I had a completely HKS tuned Mr2 that pushed 550bhp and would pull a quarter mile in 10 flat. With an a rear engine 4 banger the size if your intercoolers and engine fans. Poop on you.

Well thats nice but I also have a hayabusa that stock will pull 7's in a quarter and has the engine the size of your poop. So go waaaahh

Btw, what kind of fuel management and what kind of engine setup did you go with on your MR2 and what gen?

BTW, I do low 10's in the quarter in my supra.

 

[hiker]

As much as most of your info is correct there are a couple of descrepencies. Most of Iraq was also surrounded by allied forces before the iraqi war so in that case it wasnt night and day.

Correct. In looking back at my post, I realize I was thinking more in terms of present day Iran, not Iran several tears back. I stand corrected

On 2) we went into Iraq much more than just to remove sadaam and free the iraqi people. In Iran we wouldnt just be removing their gov but we would be extrapulating the ever present terrorists that harbor there.

I have spent much time reading blogs from Iranian bloggers, enough to get the idea that the people there are ready for revolution, but vehemently opposed to an outside invasion. I fear such an invasion would encounter resistance a hundred fold more tenacious than in Iraq. Still not the same, and the terrorist harboring in Iran are not worth that much risk. Besides, many terrorists originating from Iran are in Iraq now, blowing themselves and being blown into oblivion. We are already drawing them out without going in and removing them.

On 3) And Iraq wasnt trading partners with many big nations? And in WW2 we were fighting in many fronts all over the world against many other threats as well. This would be a peace of cake as long as the liberals just shut up and the politics stay our of the militaries way.

Iraq had trading partners, but the country was under sanctions and it wasn't the type of overt commerce that keeps Iran's economy afloat. Iran's money is legitamite, not under-the-table and from other rogue states. And as for a comparison to WWII: in the European theater, it took Hitler's attempt at overachieving by invading Russia to stretch the axis to the brink, and still required many nations working together to defeat the Nazis in Europe and north Africa. How many countries would contribute a hundred thousand extra troops to invade and secure Iran today? My point in the post was that, pending a spread of conflict to Iran's allies (or even a true threat of losing), the nuclear option would be on the table...the same way we dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We fought on essentially 2 fronts in WWII. Look at how we ended the war on one of those fronts and tell me how history cannot repeat itself.

Lastly, there is no such thing as reason with these people unless when it comes to money.

Agreed. The pious nature of the Iranians will be superceeded by the allure of having enough money to feed and clothe a family, which is the kind of thing economic sanctions would take away. From what I have read, the police forces in Iran have repeatedly let the government know that if the people should attempt a wider revolt, they can not be stopped. The money flowing in to Iran from foreign buyers of oil and investment keeps the people happy enough to endure business as usual. The mullahs need it to stay that way, and they know it. I think Iran will blink if the pressure for sanctions stays strong and constant. I hope so, anyway.

I think amidst some of our disagreements this was the most intelligent debate I have had on this forum in a very long time. I must congratulate you on that. The rest of the mental disorders can learn many things from you.

Thanks for the compliment. I haven't been around long, but I have...let's just say, this isn't the first time I have done this. So I know how hard it can be to find any worthy adversaries, or debate partners. I have seen a good deal of name calling in some posts, disrespecting of another's ideas and thoughts. Maybe a few more people like yourself can continue to lift the level of debate, I will help any way I can

 

[Conflict]

Ok well why are you talking about them then? :lol:




When did I ever say they had things in common? I said it reminded me of the supra due to the front light assembly ressembles much like that of the 2jz.

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Not all supras come with 2 turbos. There are NA ones as well. And some of the svt cobras are blown.



Well thats due to the weight to hp ratio and the gearing on each of the cars. Plus twin turbos will always have a much higher output of power than NA or supercharged applicationed vehicles.



Well thats nice but I also have a hayabusa that stock will pull 7's in a quarter and has the engine the size of your poop. So go waaaahh

Btw, what kind of fuel management and what kind of engine setup did you go with on your MR2 and what gen?

BTW, I do low 10's in the quarter in my supra.

It had an HKS evc, modified induction (applied air flow from the grill and panel vents) and slightly bored.

The set-up was only slightly modified. Expanded firewall to accomadate the aftermarket turbine/intercooler.

MKIII

 

[SKILMATIC]

Correct. In looking back at my post, I realize I was thinking more in terms of present day Iran, not Iran several tears back. I stand corrected

No problem I make mistakes too. But not often so dont tell anyone I said that haha:lol: .

I have spent much time reading blogs from Iranian bloggers, enough to get the idea that the people there are ready for revolution, but vehemently opposed to an outside invasion. I fear such an invasion would encounter resistance a hundred fold more tenacious than in Iraq. Still not the same, and the terrorist harboring in Iran are not worth that much risk. Besides, many terrorists originating from Iran are in Iraq now, blowing themselves and being blown into oblivion. We are already drawing them out without going in and removing them.

You know what? I actually have the same concerns. However, people as well as I really underestimate our military might and their ability. I think we constantly undermine our military force. I think if we really had to do it I think it would be do able in a easier fassion than we think. When the iraqi war was in its early days I thought when we initially got to baghdad that it would be a blood bath but that wasnt the case. But I really cant predict what will happen just like no one else can.

Iraq had trading partners, but the country was under sanctions and it wasn't the type of overt commerce that keeps Iran's economy afloat. Iran's money is legitamite, not under-the-table and from other rogue states. And as for a comparison to WWII: in the European theater, it took Hitler's attempt at overachieving by invading Russia to stretch the axis to the brink, and still required many nations working together to defeat the Nazis in Europe and north Africa. How many countries would contribute a hundred thousand extra troops to invade and secure Iran today? My point in the post was that, pending a spread of conflict to Iran's allies (or even a true threat of losing), the nuclear option would be on the table...the same way we dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We fought on essentially 2 fronts in WWII. Look at how we ended the war on one of those fronts and tell me how history cannot repeat itself.

Again I agree with most of that accept you made one mistake fro what I can tell. And that was the fact of we fought more than 2 fronts and let me name them to you. We fought a front against Germany in western europe. We fought a Mediterranean front against Italy. We also fought a African desert front against the Germans (Rommel). We also fought a pacific front against the Japanese. And we also fought an atlantic front against German naval ships. So it was actually 5 fronts.

 

[SKILMATIC]

Correct. In looking back at my post, I realize I was thinking more in terms of present day Iran, not Iran several tears back. I stand corrected

No problem I make mistakes too. But not often so dont tell anyone I said that haha:lol: .

I have spent much time reading blogs from Iranian bloggers, enough to get the idea that the people there are ready for revolution, but vehemently opposed to an outside invasion. I fear such an invasion would encounter resistance a hundred fold more tenacious than in Iraq. Still not the same, and the terrorist harboring in Iran are not worth that much risk. Besides, many terrorists originating from Iran are in Iraq now, blowing themselves and being blown into oblivion. We are already drawing them out without going in and removing them.

You know what? I actually have the same concerns. However, people as well as I really underestimate our military might and their ability. I think we constantly undermine our military force. I think if we really had to do it I think it would be do able in a easier fassion than we think. When the iraqi war was in its early days I thought when we initially got to baghdad that it would be a blood bath but that wasnt the case. But I really cant predict what will happen just like no one else can.

Iraq had trading partners, but the country was under sanctions and it wasn't the type of overt commerce that keeps Iran's economy afloat. Iran's money is legitamite, not under-the-table and from other rogue states. And as for a comparison to WWII: in the European theater, it took Hitler's attempt at overachieving by invading Russia to stretch the axis to the brink, and still required many nations working together to defeat the Nazis in Europe and north Africa. How many countries would contribute a hundred thousand extra troops to invade and secure Iran today? My point in the post was that, pending a spread of conflict to Iran's allies (or even a true threat of losing), the nuclear option would be on the table...the same way we dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We fought on essentially 2 fronts in WWII. Look at how we ended the war on one of those fronts and tell me how history cannot repeat itself.

Again I agree with most of that accept you made one mistake fro what I can tell. And that was the fact of we fought more than 2 fronts and let me name them to you. We fought a front against Germany in western europe. We fought a Mediterranean front against Italy. We also fought a African desert front against the Germans (Rommel). We also fought a pacific front against the Japanese. And we also fought an atlantic front against German naval ships. So it was actually 5 fronts.

Agreed. The pious nature of the Iranians will be superceeded by the allure of having enough money to feed and clothe a family, which is the kind of thing economic sanctions would take away. From what I have read, the police forces in Iran have repeatedly let the government know that if the people should attempt a wider revolt, they can not be stopped. The money flowing in to Iran from foreign buyers of oil and investment keeps the people happy enough to endure business as usual. The mullahs need it to stay that way, and they know it. I think Iran will blink if the pressure for sanctions stays strong and constant. I hope so, anyway.

I hope so too. However, I feel the unrestfulness and the insurmountable friction and animocity of the people of Iran would blow into a sespool of rage and violence if the sanctions did happen so in actuality insurmountable death cannot be avoided.

Thanks for the compliment. I haven't been around long, but I have...let's just say, this isn't the first time I have done this. So I know how hard it can be to find any worthy adversaries, or debate partners. I have seen a good deal of name calling in some posts, disrespecting of another's ideas and thoughts. Maybe a few more people like yourself can continue to lift the level of debate, I will help any way I can

No problem you are most certainly welcome. I have actually finally found a debate buddy. You know I really enjoy reading your posts becasue you bring objectiveness with common sense and logic. Well at least so far anyway. Please dont let the mental disordered liberals screw you up.

 

[OdgenTugbyGlub]

Well we are.

This makes no sense, if we are doing what you said we could do, there would be no insurgency. You said so yourself; we dont have enough satallites, UAV's and manpower to accomplish the task. My point is that the insurgency would be worse in Iran due to the already deep american resentment, and unless we have a revolution in military technology sometime soon, this "virtual war" will not be possible and we will be stuck with sending in the grunts to die.

Well why didnt you say this in the first place? Why tell me a bunch of mumbo jumbo that makes no sense and we have waisted time talking about something you never meant which didnt make since in the first place? Do you see what liberalism does to someone? I hope you are now seeing it wage its etropic state of being on your mind.

I did say this in the first place if you had taken the time to digest the information. Do you see what reading comprehension (or lack thereof) does to someone?

This whole paragraph makes no sense whatsoever. So what you just said was(unless this isnt what you meant to say) that becasue there are still insurgents(iraqi and american enemies) inside iraq that they arent rebuilt? Well hate to burst your bubble but we have insurgents here in the united states and we arent rebuilt or buiilt? You see where I am going with this?

Oh really? We have daily shootouts between groups of men armed with RPGs and automatic weapons and military forces and carbombings in the USA? I guess you live in a really bad neighborhood then, because I can't remember even seeing one of these. And yes, for once, you are correct. I meant to say that because there is still a MAJOR insurgency in Iraq, the country is not rebuilt (not to mention the fact that its not physically rebuilt anyway). You can't deny that living in a atmosphere of constant fear has a damaging effect on the national psyche, and overall on the national economy. Therefore, no, Iraq is not rebuilt.

Well I am by no means gloating I am simply stating facts and for some apparent reason you have problems understanding them. O and btw you talk past yourself.

You are stating the twisted version of facts you have imagined and ignored my intended message. You have stubbornly stuck to pinning a course of reasoning that, as I have said, I don't follow on me. You have stretched the arguement to include examples purely for shock value and ignored any validity the thought might have in favor of your knee-jerk reaction.

Well usually when people dont get along they dont work well with each other so in essence your wrong again. No I dont say we have the best relationships but we do have some type of a good relationship enough to continue business with them.

We dont work too well with other countries in case you havent noticed. We are constantly at each others throats. Trade matters are always volatile, but there will always be trade because of the interconnectivity of todays world market. To point out that we are still trading with a country is not proof that we have an amicable relationship with them.

I say again,

Thank you Mr. Spinmachine.

 

[SKILMATIC]

It had an HKS evc, modified induction (applied air flow from the grill and panel vents) and slightly bored.

The set-up was only slightly modified. Expanded firewall to accomadate the aftermarket turbine/intercooler.

MKIII

O ok well thats nice so you still didnt answer my question. What kinda fuel management did you go with? I am assumiung you went with the stock 3rd gen motor which if I can remember correctly is the 3sgte and just did some mods. Did you P&P the head?

Also the EVC is only a boost controller even though it is one of the best controllers out in the market does not do anything for fuel management.

Also your car stock(if it came with a turbo) came with app. 220rwhp with a lsd. It is a mid engine vehicle. The stock turbo I beleive was the CT26 turbo. So I am wandering what turbo you went with and what you did as far as fuel management.

 

[SKILMATIC]

This makes no sense, if we are doing what you said we could do, there would be no insurgency. You said so yourself; we dont have enough satallites, UAV's and manpower to accomplish the task. My point is that the insurgency would be worse in Iran due to the already deep american resentment, and unless we have a revolution in military technology sometime soon, this "virtual war" will not be possible and we will be stuck with sending in the grunts to die.

It makes perfect sense. Just becasue you have the most powerful force in the world doesnt mean that you can possibly exterminate every insurgent casue there are insurgents in this world even here in our borders that we dont yet know about. It is only when they make themselves present is when we can do something about it. And even then there are barriers becasue of the fact they like to surround themselves around innocent people. Plus if you know anyhting about warfare which I would like to say again you dont. That before any american soldier sets foot in IRAN there would be a "shock and awe" campaign until all known installations were destroyed. This way when our troops do go in they are only fighting small arms and pockets of resistence which is easily handeled with presence of air support by choppers. Every convoy that enters a hostile area has a chopper either present or near by for help.

I did say this in the first place

No you didnt. Do I really have to prove you wrong again on this? Cause I knwo for a fact that II can bring up the 2 posts. And I can gaurantee you they have 2 completely different wordage and meanings.

Oh really? We have daily shootouts between groups of men armed with RPGs and automatic weapons and military forces and carbombings in the USA?

Where have you been? I just had a shooting in my neighborhead today that was targeting cops. Insurgents definition is rising in revolt against an established authority, especially a government. I beleve that individual applies to the definition of an insurgent dont you? A matter of fact we have terrorists in our borders that its only a matter of time before they revolt against our government. So again you are wrong.

I guess you live in a really bad neighborhood then, because I can't remember even seeing one of these.

And yes I do live in a rather tough hood. I used to always grow up in the ghetto or projects. Even though I live in a fairly better neighborhood it still has its grassroots of gang activity as it is the forefront of the Bloods. I live right off of Skyline in San Diego. And there was a shooting today off of Paradise Hills Rd which is a cross street of skyline dr. Again I am not saying iraq is safer than we are or vice versa becasue the fact is iraq is worse than we are and every other country is too. Just becasue iraq isnt perfect doesnt mean its not rebuilt. If you have even traveled this world you would see that Iraq looks like a 5star hotel compared to that of the living conditions in other places in the world.

You are stating the twisted version of facts you have imagined and ignored my intended message. You have stubbornly stuck to pinning a course of reasoning that, as I have said, You have stretched the arguement to include examples purely for shock value and ignored any validity the thought might have in favor of your knee-jerk reaction.

Ok... Now wheres my beer?

I don't follow on me.

can you make sense of this for me please? I cant quite grasp what you want to say here?

We dont work too well with other countries in case you havent noticed.

Really? Can you please explain to me then why over 80 countries are helping us in this war on terror? If you can do this you are the best "Goebbel" I know.

To point out that we are still trading with a country is not proof that we have an amicable relationship with them.

Yes it does becasue if we didnt have a decent relationship with them we would put them under seige and boycott all their goods just like we did to our past enemies.

I say again,

Thank you Mr. Spinmachine.

And I say again your welcome Mr. Spin Feeder Machine.

 

[OdgenTugbyGlub]

It makes perfect sense. Just becasue you have the most powerful force in the world doesnt mean that you can possibly exterminate every insurgent casue there are insurgents in this world even here in our borders that we dont yet know about. It is only when they make themselves present is when we can do something about it. And even then there are barriers becasue of the fact they like to surround themselves around innocent people. Plus if you know anyhting about warfare which I would like to say again you dont. That before any american soldier sets foot in IRAN there would be a "shock and awe" campaign until all known installations were destroyed. This way when our troops do go in they are only fighting small arms and pockets of resistence which is easily handeled with presence of air support by choppers. Every convoy that enters a hostile area has a chopper either present or near by for help.

Look holmes, the "small pockets of resistance" are what im talking about. Most of the insurgents will come out after the intial invasion, because they see how well the insurgents are disrupting things in Iraq. They will copy the Iraqi techiniques, and unless we get our **** together quick they will be just as successful.

No you didnt. Do I really have to prove you wrong again on this? Cause I knwo for a fact that II can bring up the 2 posts. And I can gaurantee you they have 2 completely different wordage and meanings.

Lets see what I wrote, talking about a possible insurgency in Iran, like the one in Iraq.

I was describing a period of time after the military forces of Iran are crushed, much like the Iraqi insurgency, but more violent and better organized. .

Even if we did invade Iran and stomp the **** out of their military (which, I have no doubt, we can do easily), so what? As I said before, the people would not sit and go: "hey, we just got invaded, lets do what the invaders want". The majority of the people would strap on some ammo belts and attempt to go rambo on US troops. We would never pacify the country, and the potential damage to regional stability would be catastrophic.

Next time check yourself first, or maybe make sure you dont look for exact wordings and means because language is subtle. Perhaps you should look up that reading comprehension class?

Where have you been? I just had a shooting in my neighborhead today that was targeting cops. Insurgents definition is rising in revolt against an established authority, especially a government. I beleve that individual applies to the definition of an insurgent dont you? A matter of fact we have terrorists in our borders that its only a matter of time before they revolt against our government. So again you are wrong.

Thats normal criminal activity, hoods shooting at cops trying to bust the hoods, not an active insurgency targeting our military and governmental structure. We dont have an ACTIVE insugency in America that attacks us all the time, hence we are not comparable to the Iraqi situation (thats assuming your worst fears are true and we have this massive number of terrorists in America, Yay intelligence reform!)

can you make sense of this for me please? I cant quite grasp what you want to say here?

Simple, its a typo, you make them all the time holmes. I forgot to erase the "on me" part in the editing process. And for future reference, "I cant quite grasp what you want to say here" is a statement not a question. See? A typo.

Really? Can you please explain to me then why over 80 countries are helping us in this war on terror? If you can do this you are the best "Goebbel" I know.

Because we can do economic and political damage to them if they dont, and they stand to gain nothing from refusing us. Simple geopolitics, its not necessarily that they like us, its that they stand to gain from this approach.

Yes it does becasue if we didnt have a decent relationship with them we would put them under seige and boycott all their goods just like we did to our past enemies.

That would start a trade war which is potentially damaging to both countries. Thats bad for us. Trade will almost always be open because both countries usually stand only to lose from closing off trade avenues.

And I say again your welcome Mr. Spin Feeder Machine.

Anything is Spin material when you ignore the content and replace facts with conjecture.

 

[Conflict]

O ok well thats nice so you still didnt answer my question. What kinda fuel management did you go with? I am assumiung you went with the stock 3rd gen motor which if I can remember correctly is the 3sgte and just did some mods. Did you P&P the head?

Also the EVC is only a boost controller even though it is one of the best controllers out in the market does not do anything for fuel management.

Also your car stock(if it came with a turbo) came with app. 220rwhp with a lsd. It is a mid engine vehicle. The stock turbo I beleive was the CT26 turbo. So I am wandering what turbo you went with and what you did as far as fuel management.

EVC is electronic valve control (or commonly incorporated in terms of macroinstruction as VVT). It pertains to boost in one aspect but in another it pertains to fuel management. There is no obfuscated line inbetween. If you want performance on a short stretch in an every day driver it is not about fuel management, per se, but productivity. Now had I used the car in LeMans well that would be different. I'm into (street)tuner mods not mille miglia. I could get 30mpg when I wanted to use the car for practical purposes, but when I wanted to use it as a high-powered rice burner I could adjust my settings and run 10 flat.

I used the alpha market (aftermarket) sequential HKS turbine system that was offered with the initial HKS EVC (I honestly don't remember the stock number of the sequential turbines). However the EVC only allowed me to control my variable timing manually. The real kicker was running the induction to the turbine. THat's were my boost originated... the EVC played a very small role in being able to control the boost. The EVC allowed me to adjust the set-up manually so that I could virtually go from a vvt type set-up to an every day drivable 4 cylinder (rear engine btw, not mid). Of course I had two buttons on it... a 100 shot in the trunk(which is under the hood) and a 50 shot right on the otherside of the firewall. Funny thing is this little toyota banger could handle the n0²..... A saleen would poop out in no time. Nor would the cold air induction help the saleen or any NA type set-up as it would a turbine system.

 

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Look holmes, the "small pockets of resistance" are what im talking about. Most of the insurgents will come out after the intial invasion, because they see how well the insurgents are disrupting things in Iraq. They will copy the Iraqi techiniques, and unless we get our **** together quick they will be just as successful.

First off, dont even try to play like you have any idea what its like to live in a rough neighborhood. Your probably some white collar, had everything given to him, dont know what work is white boy. I am not a mexican(cholo), so dont even call me holmes. Second of all, thats a vague assumption you just made there son. And if it did get that bad we would put a much stronger pressence there. But the fact is that the insurgencies are decreasing as their recruit efforts are vehemently declining. This can be proven by a letter we confiscated from a captured insurgent courier which was written by al qaedas number 2 man who is incharge of their recruiting. The letter contained proclomations to the insurgents leaders pleading that they focus their efforts towards the americans and not the iraqis. Becasue the insurgents losed support from the iraqis becasue the insurgencies are primarily targetting iraqi citizens.

Lets see what I wrote, talking about a possible insurgency in Iran, like the one in Iraq.

Huh? Thats not what the posts were even about. Are you sure you arent drunk right now?

Next time check yourself first, or maybe make sure you dont look for exact wordings and means because language is subtle. Perhaps you should look up that reading comprehension class?

Riiight. And please lern what I am talking about before you post your own posts which werent even the ones I was talking about. You know what? Forget it. Just get back on topic casue you love smokescreening dont you? Trying to get off topic so you can dodge the beating. :rofl

Thats normal criminal activity, hoods shooting at cops trying to bust the hoods, not an active insurgency targeting our military and governmental structure.

So when criminals shoot at police thats not an insurgency? Lets go over the meaning of what an insurgency is. Insurgents definition is rising in revolt against an established authority. Now correct me if I am wrong but isnt the police force a government institution which is put in authority over its citizens? So if you are revolting against a gov intitution or an authortiy such as the police it is revolting against the gov and its laws that it has put in place. I am sorry but you are indellably wrong on this in concordance to what the word insurgent means. :lol: :doh

We dont have an ACTIVE insugency in America that attacks us all the time, hence we are not comparable to the Iraqi situation

Again you just concocted your own argument. You just said in an earlier post that Iraq isnt rebuilt becasue its got insurgents in its borders did you not? Yes you did. Now I asked you becasue there are people committing insurgencies that that means the country isnt rebuilt. And you said yes. Now I have said in America there are people committing insurgencies to and ther are insurgents within our border and I asked you if america was in fact not rebuilt(in concordance with what you said) and you said no it is a built country. And then I said well that is in direct hypocrisy with what you said earlier and then you said no its not. ????????? You are seriously a very sad individual you know that? Every country has an active insurgency. All insurgency is is an act against an authority. Even disobedience to a teacher is considered insurgency you idiot! I would like to point out to the rest of the crowd you are wrong once again. Just becasue a country has insurgents within its borders doesnt have anything to do with their infrastructure. Please get that through your mental disordered head.

Simple, its a typo, you make them all the time holmes. I forgot to erase the "on me" part in the editing process. And for future reference, "I cant quite grasp what you want to say here" is a statement not a question. See? A typo.

No I seriously didnt understand what you meant to say there. And yes I make many typos. And I coud care less. And your point is?

Because we can do economic and political damage to them if they dont, and they stand to gain nothing from refusing us. Simple geopolitics, its not necessarily that they like us, its that they stand to gain from this approach.

LOL BWAHAHAHAHAHA. You really think any country does anything without thinking of money? Please, I have heard enough of the money stuff. I know gov are only about money. Tell me somethign I dont know. I guess you arent the Goebell I thought you to be.

That would start a trade war which is potentially damaging to both countries. Thats bad for us. Trade will almost always be open because both countries usually stand only to lose from closing off trade avenues

Actually it would hurt frnace vehemently more. We only import cosmetic products from france. Wooptie doo! We are definitely goingto take a hit from that. I guess I am going to have to go without my shampoo. LOL

Anything is Spin material when you ignore the content and replace facts with conjecture.

You just took the words right out of my mouth. I am glad you are starting to realize your own mistakes. I thank you for that.

 

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EVC is electronic valve control (or commonly incorporated in terms of macroinstruction as VVT). It pertains to boost in one aspect but in another it pertains to fuel management. There is no obfuscated line inbetween. If you want performance on a short stretch in an every day driver it is not about fuel management, per se, but productivity. Now had I used the car in LeMans well that would be different. I'm into (street)tuner mods not mille miglia. I could get 30mpg when I wanted to use the car for practical purposes, but when I wanted to use it as a high-powered rice burner I could adjust my settings and run 10 flat.

Ok well what do valves do in a motor? They negate air flow do they not? Intake and exhaust right? Ok then, so what does air have to do with fuel management? Exaclty, it doesnt. I know all about the tuner world as I have been well embellished in it. I myslef have the PROFEC EO1 along with a Greddy tt which is halped by the aem wbo2.

However, let me help you out on what feul management consists of. Fuel injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, fuel filter, piggy back chip for fuel impedence, fuel cell, fuel rails, FPR and I beleive thats all. Some of this you may not of had but most you would have needed to upgrade. Please let me know what you used.

I used the alpha market (aftermarket) sequential HKS turbine system that was offered with the initial HKS EVC (I honestly don't remember the stock number of the sequential turbines)

BWAHAHAHA are you serious? You ran sequential twin turbos on a 4banger? I hate to break it to you but it seems as you are pulling my leg becasue there is no such thing as a twin turbo 4banger on this planet unless its a concept drag car like my buddies 4 turboed trans am. Look on a 4 banger you are only allowed one turbo on conventional turbo manifolds due to space constraints.

The EVC allowed me to adjust the set-up manually so that I could virtually go from a vvt type set-up to an every day drivable 4 cylinder

I also hate to break it to you but toyotas come with vvti in their stock vehicles for instance the IS 300, the Matrix, and even the supras. VVTI is just the engine management in concordance to the valve control. For instance older cars that didnt come with a vvti system like yours didnt you would need to buy a Apexi AVCR.

Of course I had two buttons on it... a 100 shot in the trunk(which is under the hood) and a 50 shot right on the otherside of the firewall. Funny thing is this little toyota banger could handle the n0².....

You dont know much about nitrous either do you?

And cold air inducton? You mean a cry02 kit or a intercooler chiller kit? Which uses CO2 to supercool the ambient air into the intake charge?

 

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Ok well what do valves do in a motor? They negate air flow do they not? Intake and exhaust right? Ok then, so what does air have to do with fuel management? Exaclty, it doesnt. I know all about the tuner world as I have been well embellished in it. I myslef have the PROFEC EO1 along with a Greddy tt which is halped by the aem wbo2.

However, let me help you out on what feul management consists of. Fuel injectors, fuel rail, fuel pump, fuel filter, piggy back chip for fuel impedence, fuel cell, fuel rails, FPR and I beleive thats all. Some of this you may not of had but most you would have needed to upgrade. Please let me know what you used.



BWAHAHAHA are you serious? You ran sequential twin turbos on a 4banger? I hate to break it to you but it seems as you are pulling my leg becasue there is no such thing as a twin turbo 4banger on this planet unless its a concept drag car like my buddies 4 turboed trans am. Look on a 4 banger you are only allowed one turbo on conventional turbo manifolds due to space constraints.



I also hate to break it to you but toyotas come with vvti in their stock vehicles for instance the IS 300, the Matrix, and even the supras. VVTI is just the engine management in concordance to the valve control. For instance older cars that didnt come with a vvti system like yours didnt you would need to buy a Apexi AVCR.




You dont know much about nitrous either do you?

And cold air inducton? You mean a cry02 kit or a intercooler chiller kit? Which uses CO2 to supercool the ambient air into the intake charge?

Well at least it is clear that you have some idea of what i'm talking about. You see the thing is that some information here-in falls under the domain of intellectual property.... and for that purpose you should make of it what you will. I've ran street mods for years with much success. However I'm not interested in a ******* contest. It all comes down to thermodynamics and physics my friend and I'm confident that I know my variables in those fields. :2wave:

 

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Well at least it is clear that you have some idea of what i'm talking about. You see the thing is that some information here-in falls under the domain of intellectual property.... and for that purpose you should make of it what you will. I've ran street mods for years with much success. However I'm not interested in a ******* contest. It all comes down to thermodynamics and physics my friend and I'm confident that I know my variables in those fields

Look, I am not doubting you ran mods in your car and I am not doubting you own any car. Its just I find it very hard to beleive that someone that claims he is pushing 500+ hp to a 4banger and he has no inclination on what fuel management is. Also not to mention you claim having twin turbos on a 4banger which doesnt exist on conventional(especially street driven) cars. Also nitrous isnt negated by a button it is negated from whats called shark nozzles. And it especially doesnt have 2 different shots. Nitrous consists primarily with a bottle, solenoids, nozzles, lines, and other stuff depending on what type of kit you went with. The only thing the buttons do is actuate the nitrous thats all. The only thing that determines how much gets induced is the shark nozzles. It also depends on what kind of delivery you have also. And now I ask you what kind of delivery you went with and what type of nitrous system you have?

Also if you bored out your motor what kind of overbore did you go with? Also what kind of internals did you put in your bottom end? Also what did you do to your head?

Also may I ask can you submit a link to any pics of your car? I can submit a profile of my project car. I have a 96 saturn sc2 which when I am done will have over 700hp and I have the mods to prove it. It takes alot more than a motor bore, a HKS EVC, a 50shot nitrous kit, and a turbo kit that you have no idea what it is to make over 500hp to a MR2. With those mods you might see 330hp.

 

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Look, I am not doubting you ran mods in your car and I am not doubting you own any car. Its just I find it very hard to beleive that someone that claims he is pushing 500+ hp to a 4banger and he has no inclination on what fuel management is. Also not to mention you claim having twin turbos on a 4banger which doesnt exist on conventional(especially street driven) cars. Also nitrous isnt negated by a button it is negated from whats called shark nozzles. And it especially doesnt have 2 different shots. Nitrous consists primarily with a bottle, solenoids, nozzles, lines, and other stuff depending on what type of kit you went with. The only thing the buttons do is actuate the nitrous thats all. The only thing that determines how much gets induced is the shark nozzles. It also depends on what kind of delivery you have also. And now I ask you what kind of delivery you went with and what type of nitrous system you have?

Also if you bored out your motor what kind of overbore did you go with? Also what kind of internals did you put in your bottom end? Also what did you do to your head?

Also may I ask can you submit a link to any pics of your car? I can submit a profile of my project car. I have a 96 saturn sc2 which when I am done will have over 700hp and I have the mods to prove it. It takes alot more than a motor bore, a HKS EVC, a 50shot nitrous kit, and a turbo kit that you have no idea what it is to make over 500hp to a MR2. With those mods you might see 330hp.

I'll still burn your ass off the line and in the long hall on my stock jiggster 600. Cars are for ******s to scared to ride bikes.:mrgreen: Just kidding you're gonna be pushin 700hp in a saturn? That's ****in awesome.

 

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I'll still burn your ass off the line and in the long hall on my stock jiggster 600. Cars are for ******s to scared to ride bikes. Just kidding you're gonna be pushin 700hp in a saturn? That's ****in awesome.

Well if you had read an earlier post of mine I said I also had a Hayabusa 1300 which does 7s. Also you mean a gsxr600:lol: ? Trust me I know all about the bikes dude. And yes I will be pushing that much out of a saturn. I am just waiting for my differential to be done. I also have a profile up on cardomain of you want to see it.

 

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Well if you had read an earlier post of mine I said I also had a Hayabusa 1300 which does 7s. Also you mean a gsxr600:lol: ? Trust me I know all about the bikes dude. And yes I will be pushing that much out of a saturn. I am just waiting for my differential to be done. I also have a profile up on cardomain of you want to see it.

I thought the Hayabusa was a 1200, ya those are bad ass their like 10 grand right and the fastest street bike on earth? Ya post a link for the pic.

 

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The 97and below are 1200. Mine was a 2000 and those are primarily 1300. Also the newer hayas are close to 20g's. Heres the link

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2105945

Tell me what you think. I am not even close to having all of the pics up yet. I kinda just started the profile.

 

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The 97and below are 1200. Mine was a 2000 and those are primarily 1300. Also the newer hayas are close to 20g's. Heres the link

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2105945

Tell me what you think. I am not even close to having all of the pics up yet. I kinda just started the profile.

That **** looks bad ass but you can't get the full effect from pics you need to hear that ****er growl. I'm thinking of getting an integra (do you know if Acura makes a 6 cylinder integra?) and supin it up how much cash do you got in er so far?

 

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That **** looks bad ass but you can't get the full effect from pics you need to hear that ****er growl. I'm thinking of getting an integra (do you know if Acura makes a 6 cylinder integra?) and supin it up how much cash do you got in er so far?

Why thanks. And so far I have invested with all the mods and work probably about 20-25grand. Also acura doesnt make a 6cylinder integra but they do make a type R motor that is very strong and has awesome capabilities. Also Acura is Honda just incase you didnt know. And to my knowledge the only 6cyl car honda makes and imports to the US is the Accord. However, even the 240hp S2000 is a 4banger so I would go with a 4banger and pep the car up not to mention parts are pretty cheap for Hondas. I have owned a turboed rsx that was pretty nice and reliable. I also owned a silvia, rx7, and I still currently own a datsun 510.

What is your price range?

 

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Also when I had my first turbo setup it sounded like a godam jet! It spooled so fvcking loud it seriously sounded like a 727 flew past you. It was insane and at that time I was only boosting about 10psi. Now I am boosting about 35psi.

 

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Why thanks. And so far I have invested with all the mods and work probably about 20-25grand. Also acura doesnt make a 6cylinder integra but they do make a type R motor that is very strong and has awesome capabilities. Also Acura is Honda just incase you didnt know. And to my knowledge the only 6cyl car honda makes and imports to the US is the Accord. However, even the 240hp S2000 is a 4banger so I would go with a 4banger and pep the car up not to mention parts are pretty cheap for Hondas. I have owned a turboed rsx that was pretty nice and reliable. I also owned a silvia, rx7, and I still currently own a datsun 510.

What is your price range?

appx 5 grand for the car and everything that I add would be in stages so I'm not sure how much it would cost in the long run. I'm either going to get a car and supe it up or get a truck so that I can pull a trailer then I can get a dirtbike, boat, and a jetter. Decisions decisions.