Food stamps are crazy...

[iguanaman]

We all need food, clothing and shelter yet they are NOT rights, we are expected to work to provide these basic things for oursevles and for our dependents. The liberals and socialists have twisted these GOODS into RIGHTS, food stamps being a perfect example. To 'qualify' for food stamps you must REPORT earning under a certain income level and/or having 'too many' dependents for that income level (regionally adjusted, of course, even though FIT rates are not). This scam amounts to those that work, and earn 'enough' to support themselves (and their familiy) must help support those that do not - direct income redistribution, in the name of compassion. I may have to eat hamburger so that another may have a steak, but that is deemed 'fair' and just. If I have a pet that I can not (or will not) give adequate food and care to, then I can be charged with a crime and the pet is removed to a shelter, but if I have a child that I can not (or will not) give adequate food and care to then I am rewarded with a gov't check (or food credit card) and appointed as the "best" guardian for that child. Is that insane or what?

The only insane thing is you mentioning the word compassion.

 

[Aberration]

You can not compel compassion.

 

[sangha]

certainly people who are being fed for free should show a little gratitude instead of crying that "the rich" who are supporting them are not paying their fair share.

never quite got that one. how can someone who is paying NOTHING complain about someone else not paying enough?

Another cheap attempt at being provocative by posting fiction

No one pays nothing for food. FS only subsidizes their food, and as I've pointed out, everyone in the US eats subsidized food.

 

[sangha]

Are you kidding me???
Nuts are high in protein and fiber.
By most healthcare professionals' standards, nuts are healthy when consumed in appropriate portions.
You won't find many health care professionals at all that will tell you candy is healthy in any portion size.
Perhaps acceptable, but not healthy.
That was an absolute fail.
Any food can get you fat if you consume more calories than you exert.
Candy however contains zero complex carbs, zero protien, zero fiber, and few (if any) vitamins.
Try again.

You're wrong. Candy, in appropriate amounts, is nutritious. It contains sugar, and vitamins

 

[Aberration]

Another cheap attempt at being provocative by posting fiction

No one pays nothing for food. FS only subsidizes their food, and as I've pointed out, everyone in the US eats subsidized food.

So food stamps are justified because other food is subsidized?

 

[sangha]

Welfare related programs amount to 9 cents on the American tax dollar.
The average middle class American family pays about $6,000 in taxes a year.
That is about $540 a year, or $27,000 in a lifetime (assuming the family never increases income)
Heck, that is a chunk of my kid's college education costs.
Do I have a right to be concerned about welfare fraud?
Hell yes!
Keep in mind, I am speaking in terms of the average American family struggling to help their kids pay for college as it is.
And I am only factoring federal taxes, not state and local taxes that go to some welfare costs as well.

We're talking about food stamps, not every form of public assistance.

You need to pump up your argument with the costs of other programs because your case is so weak

 

[sangha]

Poor people hardly vote.
So your position is completely retarded.

I guess trying to score political points is better than decent conversation.

Pay attention instead of posting straw men. No one said that most of them vote. CtM objected the way they vote when they do vote

 

[sangha]

There is a big difference between the actual middle class and the people who improperly spend money like they're middle class and then go seek food stamps. That person you see with an iPhone using food stamps is more likely someone who is rewarded for not prioritizing their money, not a genuine middle class committing fraud.

No one is seeing people with an IPhone using food stamps. That's just the 21st centurys' version of Reagans welfare queen driving a cadillac

 

[sangha]

I find it so amazing that conservatives can argue on one hand that the government should stay out of people's lives and on the other hand argue that the government should dictate what people on food stamps should buy.

And don't even give me that lame ass "it's my tax dollars" argument. That same argument could be used for anything. Guns, schools, the death penalty, health care, tobacco, etc. you name it I could make a "it's my tax dollars" argument to justify more government intrusion.

Let's be real. This is stereotyping the poor. That is all this thread is. And yet none of you showed a shred of concern with the Facebook IPO that demonstrated exactly how rigged Wall Street is for the wealthy in this country. It is ridiculous.

Well said. The proof that this is all about hating on the poor is the lack of interest in cutting the corporate subsidies to agricultural corporations which make junk food affordable.

The rightwingers don't care about limited govt, the free market, or where their tax dollars are going. They just want to bash the poor because it makes them feel morally superior

 

[sangha]

So food stamps are justified because other food is subsidized?

No, but I'll point out that your need to invent straw men is probably the result of knowing that your argument is weak

The point is that someone who complains about poor people getting their food subsidized but says nothing about the subsidies that they receive is a hypocrit who doesn't really care about doos subsidies; they just want to bash the poor in order to feel morally superior

 

[Aberration]

No, but I'll point out that your need to invent straw men is probably the result of knowing that your argument is weak

The point is that someone who complains about poor people getting their food subsidized but says nothing about the subsidies that they receive is a hypocrit who doesn't really care about doos subsidies; they just want to bash the poor in order to feel morally superior

I invented no such strawman. So what you are really pointing out, is your delusional mental state.

What you have invented though, is the assumption that people who are complaining about food stamps do not complain about other subsidies. So you can call them hypocrites.

"Another cheap attempt at being provocative by posting fiction". Indeed.

 

[sangha]

I invented no such strawman.

What you have invented though, is the assumption that people who are complaining about food stamps do not complain about other subsidies. So you can call them hypocrites.

"Another cheap attempt at being provocative by posting fiction". Indeed.

Yes, it was a strawman, and in this topic, the people complaining about how their tax dollars are subsidizing food for the poor are silent about how their food is being subsidized

 

[Anniegetyourgun]

No one is seeing people with an IPhone using food stamps. That's just the 21st centurys' version of Reagans welfare queen driving a cadillac

Wow....you are in serious denial! I know several people that are on food stamps and have iPhones. Just hang out at Aldi and you will see for yourself! Plus, they have an actual iPhone food stamp apps---hilarious!

 

[sangha]

Wow....you are in serious denial! I know several people that are on food stamps and have iPhones. Just hang out at Aldi and you will see for yourself! Plus, they have an actual iPhone food stamp apps---hilarious!

Sure you do

And in the 80's, I bet you knew people on welfare who drove cadillacs

 

[Anniegetyourgun]

Sure you do

And in the 80's, I bet you knew people on welfare who drove cadillacs

Wow....so you're calling me a liar???

 

[sangha]

Wow....so you're calling me a liar???

I beleive ya!!

 

[Anniegetyourgun]

I beleive ya!!

Keep living in your land of denial dude

 

[sangha]

Keep living in your land of denial dude

Keep pretending that your anecdotal fables are fact

 

[Aberration]

Yes, it was a strawman, and in this topic, the people complaining about how their tax dollars are subsidizing food for the poor are silent about how their food is being subsidized

Maybe what you wrote was a strawman. I was asking for clarification on what YOU wrote.

And you do not know that those people are silent about other subsidies. They call those lies.

 

[sangha]

Maybe what you wrote was a strawman. I was asking for clarification on what YOU wrote.

And you do not know that those people are silent about other subsidies. They call those lies.

No, what you just posted is a lie. You now claim you were only asking something, but here's what you really said

What you have invented though, is the assumption that people who are complaining about food stamps do not complain about other subsidies.

That is not a question. Your claim that all you did was ask for something is an obvious fiction

 

[OscarB63]

Another cheap attempt at being provocative by posting fiction

No one pays nothing for food. FS only subsidizes their food, and as I've pointed out, everyone in the US eats subsidized food.

a single tear runs down my cheek.

 

[sangha]

a single tear runs down my cheek.

non-sequitor noted

 

[CHARMtheMEDIA]

You're wrong. Candy, in appropriate amounts, is nutritious. It contains sugar, and vitamins

Yeah, your right. As well, consumed in appropriate amounts, alcohol is considered healthy.
Maybe we should add malt liquor to the list of consumable products that can be purchased on food stamps.
Pah-leez

p.s. Candy now a days doesn't contain sugar. It contains high fructose corn syrup.
And despite what the government might have you believe, it's not the same. But with enough stuffed pockets they will call it the same.

 

[Aberration]

So food stamps are justified because other food is subsidized?

No, but I'll point out that your need to invent straw men is probably the result of knowing that your argument is weak

The point is that someone who complains about poor people getting their food subsidized but says nothing about the subsidies that they receive is a hypocrit who doesn't really care about doos subsidies; they just want to bash the poor in order to feel morally superior

No, what you just posted is a lie. You now claim you were only asking something, but here's what you really said


That is not a question. Your claim that all you did was ask for something is an obvious fiction

You appear to have problems following along.

So food stamps are justified because other food is subsidized?

No, but I'll point out that your need to invent straw men is probably the result of knowing that your argument is weak

The point is that someone who complains about poor people getting their food subsidized but says nothing about the subsidies that they receive is a hypocrit who doesn't really care about doos subsidies; they just want to bash the poor in order to feel morally superior

Actually this is what I posted.

It is a question. It is not a lie either. Nor was it a strawman as you originally claimed.

Now in reference to my latter comment, how is THAT a lie?

 

[Discontented]

We all need food, clothing and shelter yet they are NOT rights, we are expected to work to provide these basic things for oursevles and for our dependents. The liberals and socialists have twisted these GOODS into RIGHTS, food stamps being a perfect example. To 'qualify' for food stamps you must REPORT earning under a certain income level and/or having 'too many' dependents for that income level (regionally adjusted, of course, even though FIT rates are not). This scam amounts to those that work, and earn 'enough' to support themselves (and their familiy) must help support those that do not - direct income redistribution, in the name of compassion. I may have to eat hamburger so that another may have a steak, but that is deemed 'fair' and just. If I have a pet that I can not (or will not) give adequate food and care to, then I can be charged with a crime and the pet is removed to a shelter, but if I have a child that I can not (or will not) give adequate food and care to then I am rewarded with a gov't check (or food credit card) and appointed as the "best" guardian for that child. Is that insane or what?

Absolutely agree! The taxes levied on the dwindling working class is funding this farce and braking the backs of those who have at least two incomes just to try and make ends meet while the entitlement class is rewarded with more than a comfortable life style while doing nothing to earn it?