Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way.

[Cardinal]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?

NORTH MIAMI, Fla. — In November, Florida voters approved a groundbreaking ballot measure that would restore voting rights for up to 1.5 million people with felony convictions. But the Republican-led Legislature voted on Friday to impose a series of sharp restrictions that could prevent tens of thousands of them from ever reaching the ballot box.

In a move that critics say undermines the spirit of what voters intended, thousands of people with serious criminal histories will be required to fully pay back fines and fees to the courts before they could vote. The new limits would require potential new voters to settle what may be tens of thousands of dollars in financial obligations to the courts, effectively pricing some people out of the ballot box.

Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

 

[<alt>doxygen]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?



Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

The scam is that FL tends to throw fines at people while they are being processed through the justice system - fines they know will be sitting on the books after justice has been served. A large percentage of folks get released, have no job, and have fines waiting. Fines that accrue more cost the longer they aren't paid. It's crooked.

 

[Chomsky]

Sounds like a poll tax, to me.

I do not believe a Constitutional right should be predicated upon one's funds.

 

[Cardinal]

Sounds like a poll tax, to me.

I do not believe a Constitutional right should be predicated upon one's funds.

It seems inconceivable to me that this would survive a Federal lawsuit. I know McConnell is packing the courts and all, but how would even the most partisan judge say "Yup, poll taxes are good, now!" with a straight face?

 

[OldFatGuy]

Interesting. Requiring felons to pay money owed for fines, restitution and interest viewed as unreasonable? Exactly how many of those felons, without the requirement, intend to take part of the voting process? Does this law also allow released convicted felons to run for office? Most states prohibit convicted felons from future running for political offices, but not Washington, DC. (Marion Davies). Al Sharpton can not run for office in NYS, a convicted felon for gambling, extortion, fixing boxing matches, assault, and embezzlement. No NYS governor has offered him a pardon for his youthful felony convictions, tho there have been requests. However, NYS has never legislatively prohibited convicted felons from voting when having served their time, with rare court ordered restrictions for those involved and convicted for election fraud (and not since 1933).

Florida's legislature also passed legislation permitting public school teachers to carry while working. In loco parentis, an obligation teachers do sign up for when taking the job.

 

[trouble13]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?



Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

If you have not paid all your fines then your debt to society has not been fulfilled. The voters did not vote to allow criminsls incarcerated to be able to vote and the same principle csn be applied here.

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[trouble13]

The scam is that FL tends to throw fines at people while they are being processed through the justice system - fines they know will be sitting on the books after justice has been served. A large percentage of folks get released, have no job, and have fines waiting. Fines that accrue more cost the longer they aren't paid. It's crooked.

So the issue is that the fines are unfair not that people cant vote until their debt is fully satisified. Conflating the two argumrnts is dishonest

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[trouble13]

Sounds like a poll tax, to me.

I do not believe a Constitutional right should be predicated upon one's funds.

In order to argue that you have to argue that the fines are infair


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[jamesrage]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?



Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

I have no problem with ex-felons rights(including their 2nd amendment rights) being fully restored assuming their debt to society has been fully paid. Paying back fines and court costs would be part of paying their debt back to society.

 

[PeteEU]

I have no problem with ex-felons rights(including their 2nd amendment rights) being fully restored assuming their debt to society has been fully paid. Paying back fines and court costs would be part of paying their debt back to society.

This should be for anyone who has debt to the state no? Like people who go bankrupt multiple times should not be allowed to vote or run for office.. Right?

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[jamesrage]

This should be for anyone who has debt to the state no? Like people who go bankrupt multiple times should not be allowed to vote or run for office.. Right?

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We are not talking about people who go bankrupt. We are talking about felons. So save your jab at Trump for a lib-tard circle jerk.

 

[Cardinal]

If you have not paid all your fines then your debt to society has not been fulfilled. The voters did not vote to allow criminsls incarcerated to be able to vote and the same principle csn be applied here.

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I think that Florida should extend that logic as far as possible. Parking ticket? Can't vote. Speeding ticket? Can't vote. Late alimony payment? Can't vote.

Republicans hate voters, so let's just dial that **** to eleven.

 

[apdst]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?



Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

I don't see a problem with this.

 

[Hatuey]

I have no problem with ex-felons rights(including their 2nd amendment rights) being fully restored assuming their debt to society has been fully paid. Paying back fines and court costs would be part of paying their debt back to society.

Okay, you aren't allowed to carry guns until you pay off all your parking tickets. Koscher?

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[iguanaman]

I don't see a problem with this.

You wouldn't since you don't believe in democracy. Florida has a record of disallowing voters wishes on referendums. This is just another example. This referendum passed with 65% of the vote and had no stipulations about fines or court costs. 47 States allow ex-felons to vote and NONE have any restrictions due to back fines. This travesty must be struct down in court.

 

[apdst]

You wouldn't since you don't believe in democracy. Florida has a record of disallowing voters wishes on referendums. This is just another example. This referendum passed with 65% of the vote and had no stipulations about fines or court costs. 47 States allow ex-felons to vote and NONE have any restrictions due to back fines. This travesty must be struct down in court.

The elected representives of the people say those felons who owe delinquent fines and fees have to pay them, to get their voting priviledges back. Nothing in the referendum gave them amnesty from their debt to society.

If the voters have a problem with it, they can use the democratic process to vote those representives out of office.

 

[jamesrage]

Okay, you aren't allowed to carry guns until you pay off all your parking tickets. Koscher?

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I am pretty sure your rights are not taken away when you have parking tickets.


Save your lib-tard Trump Russia conspiracy theory for a lib-tard circle jerk.

 

[apdst]

Okay, you aren't allowed to carry guns until you pay off all your parking tickets. Koscher?

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Traffic tickets aren't a felony. :lamo

 

[apdst]

This should be for anyone who has debt to the state no? Like people who go bankrupt multiple times should not be allowed to vote or run for office.. Right?

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Bankruptcy isn't a crime.

You people never fail to deliver. :lamo

 

[Cardinal]

Traffic tickets aren't a felony. :lamo

So?

Bankruptcy isn't a crime.

Yes, and....?

 

[Hatuey]

I am pretty sure your rights are not taken away when you have parking tickets.


Save your lib-tard Trump Russia conspiracy theory for a lib-tard circle jerk.

You fighting my signature? Cool, you said debt to society. Are parking debts not debts to society?

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[trouble13]

I think that Florida should extend that logic as far as possible. Parking ticket? Can't vote. Speeding ticket? Can't vote. Late alimony payment? Can't vote.

Republicans hate voters, so let's just dial that **** to eleven.

Does lowering the level of the conversation make you feel better?

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[Hatuey]

Bankruptcy isn't a crime.

You people never fail to deliver. :lamo

Sigh, okay so we are of the opinion that debts to society only mean prison time, and not an actual debt - like court costs. That's amazingly daft.

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[Trump]

I'm curious how this is anything other than a poll tax, which is pretty specifically unconstitutional as poll taxes were outlawed by the 24th Amendment.

I'm also curious how Republicans are able to rationalize every single form of election cheating but ballot box stuffing? Where, in their minds, is the significant moral distinction between that and voter suppression?



Floridians Gave Ex-Felons the Right to Vote. Lawmakers Just Put a Big Obstacle in Their Way. - The New York Times

Harvesting new voters from ex-cons and illegal immigrants sounds like unstable foundation for any political party but hey thats just me.........Abortion WAY BIGGER obstacle annually for Dems.....literally killing future democratic voters

 

[SLC]

Sounds like a poll tax, to me.

I do not believe a Constitutional right should be predicated upon one's funds.

It is part of their sentence once they fulfill their debt to society then they can have their voting rights restored.