Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages

[gbg3]

I see there are two threads on this topic. I just posted this on the other one.

I believe they still have an option to self deport when they first arrive at that FL facility - with transportation and $1000 provided.

 

[gbg3]

We normally don’t have Presidents such as Biden that created such a huge problem with illegals.

That's something the left is sure trying to leave out of all these discussions - the beginning of this whole story and exactly why this story exists at all!

 

[braindrain]

It's still weird to me to see Americans supporting concentration camps. Even for Republicans.

Strange how the left never once called the camps built under Obama and Biden concentration camps.

Almost makes it seem like their poutrage is nothing more than partisan stupidity. Oh wait. That’s exactly what it is.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

One might even be able to believe you had one not seen your constant whining anytime someone is deported and all your talk about a border just being an imaginary line.

Unfortunately for you I have seen your bs and you are not fooling anyone.

You’ve got it backward. Most people reject the approach Trump is taking towards immigration and deportation and are appalled by the behavior of the Trump administration and the strange hateful attitude of Trump supporters.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS​

• 30% of Americans want immigration decreased, down from 55% a year ago
• Record-high 79% consider immigration good for the country
• Support down for border wall, mass deportation

Surge in U.S. Concern About Immigration Has Abated

The percentage of Americans wanting less immigration has dropped by nearly half this year to 30%, with 79% now saying immigration benefits the U.S.

news.gallup.com

 

[braindrain]

Link or it didn't happen.

Playing stupid is not the flex you think it is.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Strange how the left never once called the camps built under Obama and Biden concentration camps.

Almost makes it seem like their poutrage is nothing more than partisan stupidity. Oh wait. That’s exactly what it is.

Obama and Biden are humanists who believe all humans beings have the same fundamental human rights. Obama and Biden represent the best of America.

Trump is a racist asshole and a bigot who thinks only white peoples have rights. Trump represents the worst of America.

 

[SCrider]

That's something the left is sure trying to leave out of all these discussions - the beginning of this whole story and exactly why this story exists at all!

Problems are created by the people who want to use them for their own gain.

 

[braindrain]

You’ve got it backward. Most people reject the approach Trump is taking towards immigration and deportation and are appalled by the behavior of the Trump administration and the strange hateful attitude of Trump supporters.

STORY HIGHLIGHTS​

• 30% of Americans want immigration decreased, down from 55% a year ago
• Record-high 79% consider immigration good for the country
• Support down for border wall, mass deportation

Surge in U.S. Concern About Immigration Has Abated

The percentage of Americans wanting less immigration has dropped by nearly half this year to 30%, with 79% now saying immigration benefits the U.S.

news.gallup.com

Trying to move the goal posts is not going to work for you. But nice try.

And just FYI immigration is not the same thing as illegal immigration.

 

[braindrain]

Obama and Biden are humanists who believe all humans beings have the same fundamental human rights. Obama and Biden represent the best of America.

Trump is a racist asshole and a bigot who thinks only white peoples have rights. Trump represents the worst of America.

Is that why Obama has so many cages built.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Trying to move the goal posts is not going to work for you. But nice try.

No goal posts have been moved. We’re just playing on different fields.

 

[braindrain]

Why detain them at all? There were no problems when they weren't detained, what problem is it solving now?

Is your devotion to government intrusion into people's everyday lives so strong that you support this sadistic cruelty?

Proving once again that the left supports illegal immigration.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Is that why Obama has so many cages built.

Yes, the Obama admin had temporary detainment facilities that used chain link fences to segregate unaccompanied minors by age and gender from the rest of the migrants. This was done because there was a sudden surge in migration which the government had no facilities to handle. After temporary detainment the children were placed in group homes or foster care.

Any other questions?

 

[gbg3]

Overcrowding, open to the elements and other assorted problems outlined in the article.

Canadian prisons have cells with bars. They also have indoor and outdoor recreation space, availability of space for visitors and legal representation meetings and appropriate medical care.

When they suddenly open their border to 20 million illegals - how does that availability of holding facilities with recreation space work out?

Never mind, Canada doesn't have that issue because they haven't had a leader who decided allowing 20 million illegals in was a good idea.

 

[braindrain]

No goal posts have been moved. We’re just playing on different fields.

Yes they were. Why lie. We were talking about your position. Then you tried to switch it to a poll.

 

[braindrain]

Yes, the Obama admin had temporary detainment facilities that used chain link fences to segregate unaccompanied minors by age and gender from the rest of the migrants. This was done because there was a sudden surge in migration which the government had no facilities to handle. After temporary detainment the children were placed in group homes or foster care.

Any other questions?

Watching you desperately try and defend Obama cages while condemning trump cages is as hilarious as it is pathetic.
Tell me did you really think this was a winning argument.

 

[braindrain]

I am not tolerant of those actions, nor would any halfway moral person be tolerant of them. Religious belief is not mentally healthy nor does it inspire morality. It is about blind obedience.

The Bible is 1200 pages that believers pick and choose from as a way to defend their previously held opinions, regardless of the morality thereof. They hide behind social toleration of religious belief as well as the First Amendment's religions protections in the US Constitution. I am tired of acting as if it is otherwise.


If conservative believers were required to live by the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their chosen personal savior , as recorded in the four gospels, they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

I am not claiming to be perfect and most days I can barely spell perfect, but I do try to be a better person every day in how I act and treat others. That is the best that I can do. I do not treat them in the same way that they treat me, regardless of my opinions of their actions and beliefs.



They should not be in any prison or jail. Point them in a path toward obtaining citizenship and help them with basic life needs/skills.

The left. We don’t support open borders or illegal immigration.

Also the left: Just give everyone who sneaks across the border citizenship.

And you wonder why you the right has control of the house, senate and presidency.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Proving once again that the left supports illegal immigration.

The vast majority of Americans, including the Left, want a secure border with regulated immigration and some type of legal worker program.

The vast majority of Trump supporters want zero immigration and for the illegal immigrants present here to be treated as inhumanely and cruelly as possible during their deportation. I always wonder why Trump supporters want migrants to be treated so poorly, and I always wonder where this hateful attitude comes from. Improper entry is a misdemeanor, it’s a minor crime, and the mean, spiteful attitude demonstrated by Trump supporters is not rational.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Where was all this outrage during the last 3-4 Presidents and detainment camps along the border? Where was all this outrage during the last 30'ish years where most prisons in the nation are packed to the rafters with inmates well above intended capacity?

I consider this outrage over "alligator alcatraz" as manufactured outrage.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Proving once again that the left supports illegal immigration.

We like them more than we like You People.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Watching you desperately try and defend Obama cages while condemning trump cages is as hilarious as it is pathetic.
Tell me did you really think this was a winning argument.

What’s pathetic is the hatred Trump and his supporters demonstrate towards migrants. Why do you hate these people so much? What have they done to you?

And, yes. It’s a winning argument. Most people think Trump is an asshole and the administration is going about this the wrong way:

STORY HIGHLIGHTS​

• 30% of Americans want immigration decreased, down from 55% a year ago
• Record-high 79% consider immigration good for the country
• Support down for border wall, mass deportation

Surge in U.S. Concern About Immigration Has Abated

The percentage of Americans wanting less immigration has dropped by nearly half this year to 30%, with 79% now saying immigration benefits the U.S.

news.gallup.com

How’s does it feel knowing the vast majority of the citizenry thinks Trump and his supporters are assholes?

 

[Hamish Howl]

Where was all this outrage during the last 3-4 Presidents and detainment camps along the border? Where was all this outrage during the last 30'ish years where most prisons in the nation are packed to the rafters with inmates well above intended capacity?

I consider this outrage over "alligator alcatraz" as manufactured outrage.

Thank you for announcing where you stand.

 

[Ikari]

I know, it sucks when consequences finally catch up to actions.

Unless it's Trump, in which case it's lawfare.

 

[NatMorton]

Yes it's called Canada.you guys also have illegal immigrant detention centers.

Gosh, it looks like a Canadian Auschwitz. Razor wire? Why or why are Canadians so inhumane?

I'm going to be sick about this, I just know it.

 

[OrphanSlug]

Thank you for announcing where you stand.

Thank you for overlooking the blatant hypocrisy on this subject.

Why is there suddenly outrage over this facility... not much on others?

 

[W_Heisenberg]

The left. We don’t support open borders or illegal immigration.

Also the left: Just give everyone who sneaks across the border citizenship.

And you wonder why you the right has control of the house, senate and presidency.

Most Americans want a fair, orderly immigration system without the hatred and racism of the Trump admin.