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Florida lawmakers allowed into ‘Alligator Alcatraz’ say detainees packed into cages

Allan said:
You can type justifications all morning long but the fact is that your statement...



...stands on its own as an example of intolerance and bigotry and would be recognized as such by people of faith and of none.
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I am not tolerant of those actions, nor would any halfway moral person be tolerant of them. Religious belief is not mentally healthy nor does it inspire morality. It is about blind obedience.

The Bible is 1200 pages that believers pick and choose from as a way to defend their previously held opinions, regardless of the morality thereof. They hide behind social toleration of religious belief as well as the First Amendment's religions protections in the US Constitution. I am tired of acting as if it is otherwise.


If conservative believers were required to live by the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their chosen personal savior , as recorded in the four gospels, they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

I am not claiming to be perfect and most days I can barely spell perfect, but I do try to be a better person every day in how I act and treat others. That is the best that I can do. I do not treat them in the same way that they treat me, regardless of my opinions of their actions and beliefs.


Allan said:
Humane facilities. Period.
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They should not be in any prison or jail. Point them in a path toward obtaining citizenship and help them with basic life needs/skills.
 
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j brown's body said:
Lots of laws are broken and not enforced everyday. Look at all the drivers dangerously speeding on the highway.

Why do you care so much about this one being enforced, and enforced with such sadistic cruelty?

Does it make you feel manly?
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Ah yes, let's make this about me, and then we can ignore the hyperbole you're pushing in the OP.

I favor immigration law enforcement because I believe it to be good public policy. I also favor staking steps to protect federal immigration officials who are under threat from those who would resort to violence as a means of opposing immigration law enforcement.

If either of those positions bothers you please understand that I've read plenty of what you've written on this site, and I sincerely don't care about your opinion.
 
Allan said:
Overcrowding, open to the elements and other assorted problems outlined in the article.

Canadian prisons have cells with bars. They also have indoor and outdoor recreation space, availability of space for visitors and legal representation meetings and appropriate medical care.
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The trouble with that article is that the claims of inhumane conditions are all made by people with an axe to grind. Those held there are certainly to be listened to, but they're hardly neutral. And why on earth should I believe what the likes of Debbie Wasserman Schultz say about it? If the conditions are proven to be genuinely inhuman, I certainly support making changes to the facility. At the moment, this all could be spin from those who oppose a serious attempt to enforce immigration law.

What I absolutely do not support is citing fixable problems with immigration law enforcement as being the justification to not enforce immigration law, which is the tactic the Democrats are running at the moment.
 
Allan said:
No other developed country in the world would do this. This is (to use Trump's phrase) "shithole country" stuff.



It also seems that people incarcerated at the facility may not be getting access to legal counsel...



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It's a detention center, you know, like a jail. The Democrat lawmakers visiting this detention center are stretching the truth about conditions of course. The illegal immigrants are held there while being processed and then are deported.
 
justoneman said:
Democrat lawmakers visiting this detention center are stretching the truth about conditions of course.
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You've seen the detention center yourself have you?

If not then we have to accept the word of people who have seen it.
 
Allan said:
Overcrowding, open to the elements and other assorted problems outlined in the article.

Canadian prisons have cells with bars. They also have indoor and outdoor recreation space, availability of space for visitors and legal representation meetings and appropriate medical care.
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And prisoners in Canada are charged with crimes. America locks up people in cages without ever charging them with anything.
Its hard to come up with the words. If just one person was treated that way in a free democracy the outrage would be deafening but Americans cheer when thousands are treated like that.
 
Allan said:
You've seen the detention center yourself have you?

If not then we have to accept the word of people who have seen it.
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Yes I accept that the word of the Democrat lawmakers who visited, are biased. It's air conditioned. It has clean water and food. It looks fine to me. Jails are not hotels.
 

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Peter said:
That anyone can defend these conditions as fine is insane.
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MAGA is in disarray this morning. Most on this thread are denying the conditions are inhumane yet @VySky has characterized the cruelty as "progress".

But we know that they understand the facility is not what any developed country would see as suitable. That's the bit they like the most.
 
Allan said:
MAGA is in disarray this morning. Most on this thread are denying the conditions are inhumane yet @VySky has characterized the cruelty as "progress".

But we know that they understand the facility is not what any developed country would see as suitable. That's the bit they like the most.
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The conditions are fine and suitable.
 
trumptman said:
I'm not arguing with you at all. I'm correcting the ignorance. You're welcome.
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You haven’t corrected anything. Just regurgitated state propaganda like you had the zupruder film.
 
Lisa said:
I am not tolerant of those actions, nor would any halfway moral person be tolerant of them. Religious belief is not mentally healthy nor does it inspire morality. It is about blind obedience.

The Bible is 1200 pages that believers pick and choose from as a way to defend their previously held opinions, regardless of the morality thereof. They hide behind social toleration of religious belief as well as the First Amendment's religions protections in the US Constitution. I am tired of acting as if it is otherwise.


If conservative believers were required to live by the teachings of the man who they claim to be the son of god and their chosen personal savior , as recorded in the four gospels, they would claim to be victims of pernicious religious persecution.

I am not claiming to be perfect and most days I can barely spell perfect, but I do try to be a better person every day in how I act and treat others. That is the best that I can do. I do not treat them in the same way that they treat me, regardless of my opinions of their actions and beliefs.
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You've hung your shingle out:

Lisa said:
Christian is a euphemism for pedophile, abuser, thief, and hypocrite.
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Anyone who needs reminding that intolerance is not exclusively a right wing attribute can point to it from now on as an example that bigotry has a welcome home on both sides.
 
NatMorton said:
It's a bit like enforcing any other law. If you don't do something about those who break the law they develop the curious habit of continuing to break that law.
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Yeah. We know.

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Further still, when others see those who break the law not detained they get the idea they too can break that law without suffering a negative consequence.
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Yeah. We know.


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justoneman said:
So I searched this image. It is from Guantanamo not Alligator Alcatraz.
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Yes, I know, I was demonstrating a comparison. If you bothered to check the rest of the thread you'll have noticed I clearly stated "Guantanamo 2.0" following with a photo of Guantanamo. Did you have a point?
 
snakestretcher said:
Yes, I know, I was demonstrating a comparison. If you bothered to check the rest of the thread you'll have noticed I clearly stated "Guantanamo 2.0" following with a photo of Guantanamo. Did you have a point?
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Yes my point is that photo was from Guantanamo not Alligator Alcatraz. If you do not state where it is from people will likely think it is of Alligator Alcatraz. The photos of Alligator Alcatraz are much more reasonable in appearance.
 

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