I'm not going to dignify this insult with a response...
That has nothing to do with the thread at all.
I'am not in favor of the Stand Your Ground law. It could be used to push for "justifiable" homicides. JMO
There is no need to respond, but you might want to consider what he said, as it certainly appears to be true, based on your own responses here.
Lack of it allows homicides. So pick your preference.
Lack of it allows homicides. So pick your preference.
Agreed. I would prefer people retreat and call for law enforcement if possible.
I'm not going to dignify this insult with a response...
Right, but being born into an abusive home increases the probability that they will become a criminal/drug addict. One only need to walk into a prison to figure this out. Their are other things at play here as I have mentioned. Genes, chemical balances, influences from school, and say a friend that does drugs... All of this are circumstantial, the limit on what friends you can have are limited by the friends in your neighborhood. Not to mention, if both your parents are drug addicts you will have common grounds with this friend, and sense that common ground has been set I think it wouldn't be unreasonable for the duo to experiment with drugs at a later age. The point is, if you are born into an abusive home, the seed has been planted.
Wrong, I would stop to help someone if they were being attacked. I just wouldn't shoot first, ask questions later.
Agreed. I would prefer people retreat and call for law enforcement if possible.
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You read a book and got excited and now want to apply the concept to everything, and ignore what people with decades of experience in these matters are telling you. This is also nothing new; the young are susceptible to intellectual narcissim.
Wrong, I would stop to help someone if they were being attacked. I just wouldn't shoot first, ask questions later.
The problem with that line of thinking is that when you're in a real life or death situation, cops can only respond in the amount of time it takes for them to arrive. If you are in danger, your chances of survival are much better if you can defend yourself.
The problem with that line of thinking is that when you're in a real life or death situation, cops can only respond in the amount of time it takes for them to arrive. If you are in danger, your chances of survival are much better if you can defend yourself.
I will grant that many are the way they are in part because of family, neighborhood, friends, life experiences, and so forth... but to pretent that sapient beings have no free will and no choice is to ignore half of the equation. We are not simply a product of our genes and experiences, we are also a product of our intellect and our choices.
You read a book and got excited and now want to apply the concept to everything, and ignore what people with decades of experience in these matters are telling you. This is also nothing new; the young are susceptible to intellectual narcissim.
So, are you saying you really believe someone who is committing an act of violence is going to stop, put aside their weapon or aggressive physical stance, to answer your questions, before they go on commiting their violent act?
The naive youth adopting academia's arrogance. "Intellectual narcissim" is a good phrase.
It is curious that everyone who actually has experience with violent people are who understand how exactly wrong the excuse-makers are.
Look at the last little part of what you said here Goshin. "We are also a product of our intellect and our choices". Our intellect comes from genes/culture. This has been inherently proven by the IQ test. Our choices come from where though Goshin? I mean when you are presented with a choice of what to wear in the morning, do all of the possible options arise into your conscious thought? No, because it would be maddening if every situation that you were presented with every single choice arose into your subconscious thoughts. Our choices, therefore, arise from our subconscious, of which we have no control over, so where exactly is our free will in all of that?
You aren't giving me enough credit here Goshin. I've actually read several books on the subject, the fact that it is arising now is because I think this is where it applies. (Other books I have read, The moral Landscape, The End of Faith, God is not great, and many more) I understand your frustration with me, I also have frustration with you. We are, in a sense, experiencing the fire place delusion.
Sigh. You're looking at this from a one-dimension view.
Yes, lots of criminals are not intelligent. Many come from bad backgrounds. Stipulated.
But there are some who are intelligent, well-educated, come from good family, grew up middle-class with work-ethic and so forth, law-abiding friends and neighbors... and the day comes when they decide to do something truly heinous and unlawful and there's nothing in their background to point to.
On the flip side, I've known people who grew up in broken druggie homes, in violent druggie/gang neighborhoods, with brothers and sisters who succumbed to it all, yet these individuals rose above their roots and worked within the law and got out of there and made something of themselves.
Choice.
If there is no choice, what do we need with a forebrain?
I'am not in favor of the Stand Your Ground law. It could be used to push for "justifiable" homicides. JMO
Back in the days when men were men and threats to civilzation were eliminated, 95% of the Texas Rangers' prisoners were "killed while attempting to escape."As an adult I've had guns and more often knives pulled on me. Yet there is only one time as an adult I pulled a gun on anyone, closest I came to killing someone, and that person was unarmed.
There are only a few things of topics I feel strongly about that may come on the forum. 1.) sexual assault, assaults against children and - circumstantially - non-sexual violence against women; 2.) pro-choice and 3.) gay rights, although not militantly.
I arrived at the scene of an extremely violent sexual assault of a young woman I knew extremely well, the assault fortunately stopped by three others - two men and a woman - only seconds before. Walking into that scene and realizing the who and what of it, I threw the assailant against the hard wall so hard he probably dazed unconscious momentarily and in the same motion drew my 45 chambering and cocking it to against his head. But the woman cried out louding in terrible pain, shifting my focus to her from my own rage and I felt that loudness of the gunshot would add more shock and stress in what was to become her battling for her life in the hospital, the injuries that great.
The first two arriving local officers who also knew her, beat him unconscious - chalking it up to "resisting arrest" in their report. No one cared.
This isn't NYC where than SOB as a first time offender probably would get 6 years and then be released in 14 months on shock probation after some sex offenders counseling program. He got the max on 3 sentences - aggravated sexual assault, attempted murder and burglary of a residence - each to run consecutively - which is Florida adds up to forever - and the judge and prosecutor both adding letters to the file for any future probation board that due to the nature of the crime he should never be granted probation. After sentencing back in his cell, in front of many officers, he was told that should he ever somehow get released decades from now and return here, they WILL kill him.
Although the majority of adults are now senior Yankee transplates, the generational old good ole boys and gals still have their ways they always have had. There are certain crimes, most notable extreme child injury, for which it is well understood that IF the cops get to that person first - but then later if that person ever came back here he would be killed and fed to the wild hogs as a missing person. Its always been that way for certain extreme crimes against children and women - generation to generation. And to be honest, I'm perfectly fine with that, but - circumstantially - I've always believed in jungle law in extreme instances anyway.
Were I on a jury and a person killed someone he saw someone released from prison who had AGGRAVATEDLY (not statutory/date) raped his wife, daughter, mother, or the same of a best friend or close relative, there's not a chance in hell I'd vote to convict. I'd call it "temporary insanity" and maybe when done and out of the courtroom thank that person for removing that person from our community.
The repeat rate for sex offenders is very high and even higher if against children.
Back in the days when men were men and threats to civilzation were eliminated, 95% of the Texas Rangers' prisoners were "killed while attempting to escape."
Back in the days when men were men and threats to civilzation were eliminated, 95% of the Texas Rangers' prisoners were "killed while attempting to escape."
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