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Florida GOP rep Randy Fine is literally threatening to kill Joe Biden if gun control laws are tightened in the US. Yes, really.

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BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. —
Florida Rep. Randy Fine sparked some concern on Twitter Wednesday with a vaguely threatening message directed at President Joe Biden.


Lock him up!
 
Randy aint' so Fine.

Put him down as another idiot to be Primaried.
 
Really? The day after an 18-year old "kid" murdered as many completely innocent children as he had birthdays? And that is not counting the teacher he also murdered before killing himself. What was he watching from 8:41 - 8:48 last night?
 
Randy Fine is correct about the reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms - - he just chose a bad way to convey the message.

"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison (Federalist Papers)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear - they meant for us to have guns in the event that our government became oppressive tyrants and no longer protected and preserved the Rights of citizens.
 
“Literally threatened to kill Joe Biden”

What a lie.
 
Randy Fine is correct about the reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms - - he just chose a bad way to convey the message.

"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison (Federalist Papers)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear
So many people think the 2nd amendment is to defend yourself against your own government. It is not. Those "founding fathers" are talking about Britain, not the colonists.
 
Rep Fine looks like a Campbell's soup kid that's grown up. He's the opposite of scary; cuddly?
 
Randy Fine is correct about the reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms
Complete nonsense.

There is nothing in the 2A which prohibits regulations and limitations...and/or grants unlimited rights to any/every type of firearm.

There is plenty of room for regulations and restrictions. That has been clear since the 1930's, per SCOTUS precedent.


- - he just chose a bad way to convey the message.
"....a bad way to convey the message"??

That's all you see, huh?

Only in the minds of his fellow white-conservatives.

Randy Fine is a low-IQ moron, and is guilty of making terroristic threats against this president. In ANY other generation of American politics, this wouldn't have even been a partisan matter. Fine would have already been suspended and stripped of his committee assignments by his own party....for starters.

Only one side thinks it's ok to verbally threaten a president, it seems.

If the culprit's name in this case was AOC or Hakeem Jeffries or Ilhan Omar (etc. etc.).....there would be calls for his resignation and arrest (as a "terrorist", of course) from the entire FauxNews crowd. This would be the lead story for the next 6 months.

Disloyalty, sedition and insurrection have been "normalized" within the modern GOP.

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear - they meant for us to have guns in the event that our government became oppressive tyrants and no longer protected and preserved our Rights.
That part of your argument has never been in question.

Where it fails (every time) is....deciding what constitutes "oppression" and "tyranny". That's why this has been an open debate for most of the last century.

Most Americans do NOT believe a ban on assault weapons is "tyranny", regardless of what people like Fine personally believe. So, he's not "correct" at all....except to those who share his MINORITY view.

Any/all arguments that the 2A is "crystal clear" about modern day gun control issues...is either confused (at best), or dishonest (at worst).
 
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BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. —
Florida Rep. Randy Fine sparked some concern on Twitter Wednesday with a vaguely threatening message directed at President Joe Biden.


Lock him up!
Flori-duh

'nuff said.

I hope he gets a visit from the Secret Service soon.
 
Complete nonsense.

There is nothing in the 2A which prohibits regulations and limitations...and/or grants unlimited rights to any/every type of firearm. . .
Oh, it's there. You have chosen to ignore it.

The Bill of Rights prohibits the government from taking away (or imposing infringements on) 10 unalienable Rights.

The right to keep and bear arms is the second of these enumerated rights.

It explicitly states:

". . .the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So if (federal) government passes laws which make it difficult (or impossible) for a citizen to keep and bear arms, then that is, de facto, an infringement.


Only one side thinks it's ok to verbally threaten a president, it seems. . .
Fine's way of conveying the message was bad. I was clear on that.

. . . Most Americans do NOT believe a ban on assault weapons is "tyranny", regardless of what people like Fine personally believe. So, he's not "correct" at all....except to those who share his MINORITY view. . . .
What most Americans believe is irrelevant. The U.S. Constitution is Law. Thankfully, popular opinion does not make our Laws. Congress does.

If Congress doesn't like Amendment II, then they can repeal or amend it.
Any/all arguments that the 2A is "crystal clear" about modern day gun control issues...is either confused (at best), or dishonest (at worst).
I think it you who are confused. :)
 
Randy Fine is perfectly right to speak that way. Threats, lies, and disinformation are what arouse his base, nitwits that they are.
 
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BREVARD COUNTY, Fla. —
Florida Rep. Randy Fine sparked some concern on Twitter Wednesday with a vaguely threatening message directed at President Joe Biden.


Lock him up!
Secret service needs to pay him a visit.
 
h, it's there. You have chosen to ignore it.

The Bill of Rights prohibits the government from taking away (or imposing infringements on) 10 unalienable Rights.

The right to keep and bear arms is the second of these enumerated rights.

It explicitly states:

". . .the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
As long as you're in the militia.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"
 
Randy Fine is correct about the reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms - - he just chose a bad way to convey the message.

"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison (Federalist Papers)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear - they meant for us to have guns in the event that our government became oppressive tyrants and no longer protected and preserved the Rights of citizens.

I dunno. You guys weren't calling that guy who shot those Republican legislators a patriot, which really speaks to the absurdity of the notion.
 
I dunno. You guys weren't calling that guy who shot those Republican legislators a patriot, which really speaks to the absurdity of the notion.
I have no idea what you are referring to here.

Is this intended to be a red herring of some sort?

Who is the patriot who shot the republican legislators, and how does it relate to Fine's comment about the Second Amendment?
 
Randy Fine is correct about the reason citizens have the right to keep and bear arms - - he just chose a bad way to convey the message.

"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison (Federalist Papers)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear - they meant for us to have guns in the event that our government became oppressive tyrants and no longer protected and preserved the Rights of citizens.
Who do you think you are kidding? You and what army of militias are going to stand up to our military in a confrontation? It's such an asinine idea it's frightening.

Should we dissolve our standing army? We all know the press is the enemy of the people according to trump and his trumpettes and now they're coming for our guns....be afraid, be very afraid.

According to many on the right, our government right now with biden at the helm is tyranny! You guys are funny, the spirit of resistance, unless of course it's blm marching in the streets, that just will not do.
 
. . . Should we dissolve our standing army?
Huh? why on Earth would we do that?

We all know the press is the enemy of the people according to trump and his trumpettes and now they're coming for our guns....be afraid, be very afraid.
Trump? How the heck did Trump wiggle into this discussion? :unsure:


According to many on the right, our government right now with biden at the helm is tyranny! You guys are funny, the spirit of resistance, unless of course it's blm marching in the streets, that just will not do.
You are conflating the "spirit of resistance" (what Jefferson referred to) and political activism (BLM demonstrations). Of course, these are very different things.
 
Huh? why on Earth would we do that?


Trump? How the heck did Trump wiggle into this discussion? :unsure:



You are conflating the "spirit of resistance" (what Jefferson referred to) and political activism (BLM demonstrations). Of course, these are very different things.
Of course they are different things, when your side protests like on january the sixth it was deemed appropriate political discourse by those in the know. When floyd's murder sparked the blm movement, it was a bunch of hoodlums out of control burning and looting destroying whole cities.

Just give us a break with the bullshit already.

Jefferson said a standing army is the start of tyranny. I say get out the militias and set things straight, get rid of that standing army.
 
"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army,
 
Who do you think you are kidding? You and what army of militias are going to stand up to our military in a confrontation? It's such an asinine idea it's frightening.

Should we dissolve our standing army? We all know the press is the enemy of the people according to trump and his trumpettes and now they're coming for our guns....be afraid, be very afraid.

According to many on the right, our government right now with biden at the helm is tyranny! You guys are funny, the spirit of resistance, unless of course it's blm marching in the streets, that just will not do.
Tell that to sheep herders in Afghanistan
 
"Oppressors can tyrannize only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace." - James Madison (Federalist Papers)

"What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms." - Thomas Jefferson

The Founder's intent for the Right to keep and bear Arms is crystal clear - they meant for us to have guns in the event that our government became oppressive tyrants and no longer protected and preserved the Rights of citizens.

Chuckle.

And I get all of my principles of tyranny and freedom from slave owners.
 
Oh, it's there. You have chosen to ignore it.
Or, perhaps more likely.....you've chosen to imagine it?

Yes, I think it's obvious that the latter it true. Have you ever actually READ it? Have you ever actually READ any of the SCOTUS decisions that outline the limitations of the 2A?

I doubt it.

Please post the 2A and highlight to part that explicitly prohibits any government regulation of any type of firearm.

After that, I look forward to you explanation of how/why SCOTUS ruled REPEATEDLY (way back in the '30's.....again in the 60's.....and in the 80's....and again in the 90's.....and again as recently as 2008) that it is illegal to carry a machine gun or a sawed off shot gun (for example) and that the 2A does NOT allow of unlimited, unrestricted "rights" to firearms and other weapons.
The Bill of Rights prohibits the government from taking away (or imposing infringements on) 10 unalienable Rights.
:rolleyes:....This is silly. But it's often what I see from conservatives and "libertarian" types. You guys don't even know the "facts" you claim as foundational to your ideology.

The Bill of Rights does NOT actually outline "10 unalienable Rights", my friend. Heck the 9th and 10th Amendments don't even mention an "unalienable Right" at all.

So, clearly, you don't actually know what the Bill of Rights actually says.

And again, it has LONG SINCE been understood that the 2A is NOT an unlimited right to bear any/all arms.

The right to keep and bear arms is the second of these enumerated rights.

It explicitly states:

". . .the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Nonsense. You can't take a "strict constructionist" or "literalist" or "minimalist" view of the Constitution....and cherry pick from the script of the 2A.

It ACTUALLY says, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

And, once again, SCOTUS has REPEATEDLY made it clear that the 2A has limits and can be regulated at BOTH the federal and state levels. Machine guns. Sawed off Shotguns. Convicted Criminals. Mentally ill

As a matter of FACT, in the 217 years since the adoption of the Bill of Rights, 2008 marked the FIRST and ONLY time that any SCOTUS decision actually interpreted the 2A to guarantee any INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS to keep and bear arms under the 2A of the Constitution.

And here's the part that people like you don't know about that Heller decision (because you don't READ, you just WATCH FauxNews and consume social media):
  • “Like most rights, the right secured by the Second Amendment is not unlimited.......nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms....We also recognize another important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms....that the sorts of weapons protected (by the Second Amendment) were those ‘in common use at the time.’ We think that limitation is fairly supported by the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of ‘dangerous and unusual weapons.....the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes"
And for the record, the above comes from the official Majority Opinion in the 2008 Heller decision. Those are SCALIA'S WORDS!

Now I say again...please don't try to argue that your warped, personal interpretation of the 2A has EVER been the accepted legal understanding of that constitutional amendment.
 

So if (federal) government passes laws which make it difficult (or impossible) for a citizen to keep and bear arms, then that is, de facto, an infringement.
Again, pure b.s. And that's been pure b.s. for as long as the SCOTUS has been ruling on 2A issues.

No one cares about what you THINK about the 2A, @SkyChief . This is about what the law is, and has been, according to every SCOTUS since the Bill of Rights was adopted.

You're mistaking your personal feelings and opinions....for THE FACTS.

Fine's way of conveying the message was bad. I was clear on that.
You were clear about your position as an apologist for Trumpism. That's for sure.

Fine's way of conveying the message was seditious and (quite possibly) criminal. Politics aside, that's really not arguable. If ANY elected Democrat had done that to Trump, there is no doubt that he would have faced serious legal and political consequences.

Fine should censured and removed from his committees. And he be visited by the Secret Service and/or the FBI, just like any other citizen who publicly expresses a threat against a sitting president.


What most Americans believe is irrelevant. The U.S. Constitution is Law. Thankfully, popular opinion does not make our Laws. Congress does.
:ROFLMAO:That's funny, given your obvious LACK of knowledge of the subject matter.


If Congress doesn't like Amendment II, then they can repeal or amend it.
...says the guy who doesn't know wtf he's talking about.


I think it you who are confused. :)
Well, this is another example of your confusion. You see, this is not a matter of opinion. It's a matter of objective reasoning. I've seen your arguments. They are nothing by feelings and opinions, backed up by NOTHING. Heck, you don't even know what's in the Bill of Rights.
 
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