Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report

[TU Curmudgeon]

How many of you were gullible enough to believe this isn't another example of fake news? It doesn't add up and I'm convinced we would find some important information has been left out and/or due diligence was never conducted in this case.

The major conflict for the hearts-and-minds of the world has taken place over the last 100 years. Namely, Capitalism vs Socialism vs Nationalism. And we have come full circle.

The conflict between Nationalism and Marxist-Leninism played out with particular ferocity in the streets of Europe and Russia in the 10's, 20's and 30's. Socialism won out in Russia. Nationalism took hold in Europe. However, Nationalism suffered an almost irrevocable blow with the defeat of Nazi Germany and the Axis forces due to the barbaric revelations which followed.

A 50 year confrontation between the merits of Capitalism and Socialism (Marxist-Leninism) began. Those with an understanding of the two remaining competing systems were wrong to write the obituary of Marxist-Leninism so soon. While Socialism proved itself to be an untenable system incapable of providing for the general welfare of a society, it has enjoyed free-reign among the uneducated and emotionally driven sectors of the political spectrum in the predominant Capitalist systems. It has continued to fester as a cancer, feeding on it's capitalist hosts, and has now metastasized to an extent were it may now be capable of terminating its host.

Socialists enjoy a history of propaganda and misinformation which the capitalists have little responsive capability. Capitalists are currently experiencing the same street conflicts which threatened the Nationalists in 20's and 30's Europe and are wholly unprepared to address the ideological contest. Capitalists believe the historical argument is settled case based on the merits. Socialists understand they don't need facts or even a tenable system to prevail. When the evidence proves them wrong they merely report other facts and misinformation and continue on unapologetic. And mark my words, this is EXACTLY what the Socialist-leaning media is hell bent on doing. Don't make the mistake of thinking the "fake news" is merely an accident or the result of a lack of diligence. Those on the left are wrong, but they are also emotionally based and ill-informed. Capitalists are mistaken in thinking being correct is sufficient. The Marxist-Leninist's know all too well being emotional and ill-informed is often enough.

One of the things that the former treasurer of the British Columbia New Democratic Party (which would classify as "very, but not quite extreme, left" on the US political spectrum said repeatedly was (and I paraphrase) "There is nothing wrong with making a profit. The problems arise out of what you do with that profit.".

If the profit is derived from the work of others (in supplement to the capital and ideas of the entrepreneurs) and ALL of that profit flows into the hands of the entrepreneurs that is one type of society. However if a portion of that profit flows back into the hand of the others (and the balance goes to the entrepreneurs as a reward for their contributions of capital and ideas) then that is another type of society. Where one wants to be on a spectrum of 0%+100% to 100%+0% defines the type of society that one ends up with. A society that works on the basis of 0%+0% fails and a society that woks on the basis of 100%+100% simply cannot exist.

All societies work on the basis of X%+Y%=100%.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Another important Fox News article hoping to outrage their audience. You have to read to the end to notice that students are not required to recite the pledge. The kid had every right to do what he did.

Indeed he did. Not only that, but the teacher had no right to require that the student provide any reason for not wanting to stand and recite the pledge.


Law suit that the school district will lose to follow.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

i would adequately defend both my property and my right to torch it


i doubt you would allowed to get that close to it


see the comment immediately above. probably better to dial 911 and seek the assistance of the fire department. glad they are often well trained medics ... wouldn't want any bystander to get burned




were it that canadian hockey team and my squad needed inspiration, that maple leaf is subject to being heavily trampled


absolutely. the north koreans are entitled to use whatever symbol they choose to motivate their team. however, knowing they suffer from an inadequate diet, my plan would be to roll in a huge buffet for them just as it was time for that team to depart the locker room

OK, thanks for clarifying that you ARE 100% OK with anyone "disrespecting" the flag of the United States of America and/or refusing to stand and recite "The Pledge of Allegiance".

I'm NOT 100% OK with anyone "disrespecting" the flag of __[fill in the blank]__, I'm OK with someone NOT reciting "The Pledge of Allegiance" REGARDLESS of their motives, and I think that it is as impolite to refuse to stand when everyone else does as a part of a ritual regardless of whether that ritual is "Reciting The Pledge" or "Singing Hymn Number 649".

 

[ClaraD]

"Render to Ceasar the things which are Ceasar's and to God the things that are God's."Matthew 22:21

It is possible to love God and Country at the same time without offending either.

God said though....Matthew 5:34 But I say to you, do not take an oath at all

 

[MauiMan]

Indeed he did. Not only that, but the teacher had no right to require that the student provide any reason for not wanting to stand and recite the pledge.


Law suit that the school district will lose to follow.

Yep. Teacher was some righty bonehead.

 

[justabubba]

Justice Robert H. Jackson:

To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Justice Robert H. Jackson's

"To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds.":

is damn straight.

 

[Buzz62]

Nor do many knee-jerk "conservatives".

I'll have you know I haven't jerked my knee in years, good Sir...

You've been paying attention here. Don't feign ignorance. Everyone knows, what either side wants.
One side wants Trump locked up...or dead.
The other will ignore his oddities, for a Nationalist agenda.

I won't go through all of them, I'll just stick with the first for now.

The dream of absolute equality

everyone shall have an equal opportunity to acquire all the skills that will enable them to compete - WITHOUT handicap - against other persons AND an equal opportunity to fail if their skills are less than those of the other person.
​

Does that mean that everyone, regardless of skill, should have an equal opportunity to gain ANY position? Don't be silly, that would be like picking a brain surgeon by sticking a pin into the phone book (an obscure document no longer available to most people).

I will always be an advocate for completely equal opportunity. That means standard funding, curriculum and basic facilities across the board. Allot of upper middle-class people would hate such an idea, because it might just limit their ability to create higher standard schools with private funding. These issues 'sound' marvie, but it gets sticky when you start analyzing actual implementation. Many affluent communities might face watching their tax dollars going to exclusively poorer neighborhoods, while the grass on Jr's football field get's neglected.

I hate to tell you this, but the Soviet Union was NOT big on either "open borders" or "free trade and globalization". "Massive social safety net", yes, but so are such countries as Canada, the UK, Japan, the ROK, Australia, and many others which were NOT a part of the Soviet Union.

Indeed it wasn't presented to the public that way in the beginning either. I have the advantage here, of having a Mother-in-law living with us, who actually watched the Soviet take-over happen. And a wife who actually defected in the mid-80's. My mother-in-law doesn't speak a lick of English, but she sits with us watching news, and points at certain people taking commenting that they 'sound' just like those who justified the utopia that was to be the Soviet Union. The same endless morality lesson. that same nasty tactics of social shaming and identity politics. That eventually became a network of spies reporting their neighbors 'transgressions' to the Soviet. In fact...when we moved there in the early 90's, I met a few of these 'collaborators". These spies. These...dogs.

"(T)he absolute right to confront, by any means deemed "necessary at the moment" and to attempt to utterly destroy a person for straying from the doctrine, or, heaven forbid, disagree with the doctrine", indeed, and that is EXACTLY what the "Conservatives" want to have in the United States of America. (Admittedly the "Liberals" want it too, but to a slightly lesser degree.)

Ya I hear that allot but...show me. Show me where Conservatives use public shaming and degrading, as a means to completely destroy a person.
Show me Conservatives acting like the Democrats and assorted idiots did during the Kavanaugh hearings.
Show me Conservatives banning people from speaking in public forms...like the very places open forums are supposed to be encouraged...collages.
Show me Conservatives cheering on and celebrating assholes who think they simply must get ugly with kids...who wear the wrong apparel.

No my friend. This is what it smells like. The beginning of a fascist movement. And its being perpetrated by the very people who loudly profess to oppose...fascism. What was the saying? "When fascism comes...it'll come wrapped in a flag"?

Yes, the idea that it is possible to have a job for everyone so that there is no NEED for "welfare" programs IS pretty stupid - isn't it?

You're fooling yourself if you think that all people want to, and will work. America...and pretty much all the 'western' nations, are full of rather spoiled people. There's the 'Baby Making Machine" families. And don't even try to claim that doesn't exist. I have a family of 6 living in one of my places, and they are just such a family. Professional welfare cases. These people actually tried to tell me that it was not their responsibility to take the garbage to the street once a week for pick-up.
No...Unless the government is willing to FORCE all people to actually work and pay really high taxes...what this will create is a shambles. An economic nightmare. Valueless currency.

And being OK with a reversion to the "Continental" would be...Progressive?

Yep, and the automobile wasn't all that good for the livery stable business either.

errr...:roll:

 

[Buzz62]

Respect is subjective, in how it is given, shown, and why it should be given, who/what it should be shown to. You are not the arbiter of what respect is nor how people should show it. You can show an opinion on it, but that is a bit different than asserting straight out that too many lack <respect> severely, considering that there are so many opinions on what respect is and how it should be shown.

:lamo
You're gonna try to blur the meaning of simple respect?
OMG...you people will really go to all ends, in order to excuse yourselves.
:lamo
How terribly...spineless.

 

[roguenuke]

:lamo
You're gonna try to blur the meaning of simple respect?
OMG...you people will really go to all ends, in order to excuse yourselves.
:lamo
How terribly...spineless.

Respect is simply subjective. It is highly disrespectful in my opinion, to call people spineless. Perhaps you have a different opinion, yet you expect others to abide by your opinion on what is respectful and do not hold yourself to what others feel respect should entail. I hold everyone with a base level of respect, but my base level is likely not the same as other people's and it is wrong to assume. I will still judge others on my personal base level of respect and how I feel they should treat others.

In this situation, we have no idea what really went on there, but I know plenty of adults who would not appreciate and fight against someone telling them to do something that they didn't feel they should have to do. It would have nothing to do with respect and everything to do with their feelings on what they are being told they should do. He could still be disrespectful in how he went about protesting it. But the teacher was at least as disrespectful to his rights in demanding he stand for something like the pledge of allegiance, regardless of his reasons for not wanting to do it.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

I'll have you know I haven't jerked my knee in years, good Sir...

You've been paying attention here. Don't feign ignorance. Everyone knows, what either side wants.
One side wants Trump locked up...or dead.
The other will ignore his oddities, for a Nationalist agenda.

I wouldn't put it quite that broadly.

I'm sure that the vast majority of people who don't support Mr. Trump would be quite content if all that happened was that he was no longer the President of the United States of America. As for me, I'd rather prefer to see [1] investigations, [2] indictments (if warranted), [3] trials (if indictments are issued), and [4] convictions (if the evidence justifies them) BEFORE seeing Mr. Trump [5] locked up. As far as Mr. Trump and his supporters are concerned, it appears that they are quite prepared to skip straight to [5] with respect to Ms. Clinton. I will admit that there is likely to be at least ONE whacko who thinks that the correct course of action is to kill Mr. Trump and save the taxpayers the expense involved in any of those five steps.

Not only that, but I am equally sure that the vast majority of Mr. Trump's supporters COULD reach line 33 of "I Sing of Olaf, Glad and Big" given a sufficient inducement. I also don't think that "Nationalist" is the correct term since "American Isolationist" appears to be the preferred alternative to "American Hegemonic" if "American Hegemonic" isn't available.

I will always be an advocate for completely equal opportunity. That means standard funding, curriculum and basic facilities across the board. Allot of upper middle-class people would hate such an idea, because it might just limit their ability to create higher standard schools with private funding. These issues 'sound' marvie, but it gets sticky when you start analyzing actual implementation. Many affluent communities might face watching their tax dollars going to exclusively poorer neighborhoods, while the grass on Jr's football field get's neglected.

Do NOT EVER threaten your local High School's football program!

Indeed it wasn't presented to the public that way in the beginning either. I have the advantage here, of having a Mother-in-law living with us, who actually watched the Soviet take-over happen. And a wife who actually defected in the mid-80's. My mother-in-law doesn't speak a lick of English, but she sits with us watching news, and points at certain people taking commenting that they 'sound' just like those who justified the utopia that was to be the Soviet Union. The same endless morality lesson. that same nasty tactics of social shaming and identity politics. That eventually became a network of spies reporting their neighbors 'transgressions' to the Soviet. In fact...when we moved there in the early 90's, I met a few of these 'collaborators". These spies. These...dogs.

The parallelism between the "Idealistic Americans (in a capitalist society)" and the "Idealistic Russians (in a Stalinist society [Russia ceased being "Communist" shortly after Stalin took power])" is equally valid if you substitute "Idealistic Germans (in a Nazi society)". What they all have in common is a rather marked disconnect from the realities of the situation (and almost total blindness toward the pitfalls of their "solutions").

Ya I hear that allot but...show me. Show me where Conservatives use public shaming and degrading, as a means to completely destroy a person.
Show me Conservatives acting like the Democrats and assorted idiots did during the Kavanaugh hearings.
Show me Conservatives banning people from speaking in public forms...like the very places open forums are supposed to be encouraged...collages.
Show me Conservatives cheering on and celebrating assholes who think they simply must get ugly with kids...who wear the wrong apparel.

If you pay attention to media sources other than "Conservative" ones (in addition to the "Conservative" ones), I shouldn't have to show you anything. The recent arrest of an 11 year old boy stemming from his refusal to stand and recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" is just one example of how "conservatives" act.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

No my friend. This is what it smells like. The beginning of a fascist movement. And its being perpetrated by the very people who loudly profess to oppose...fascism. What was the saying? "When fascism comes...it'll come wrapped in a flag"?

That's a variant on Mr. Reagan's “If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism.” and even there it's a misquotation of the “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” that Sinclair Lewis did NOT say.

Nr. Lewis's 1935 "It Can’t Happen Here" describes an America whose President got elected by appealing to voters with a mix of crass language and nativist ideology and who then, once elected, solidified his power by energizing his base against immigrants, people on welfare, and the liberal press. There is, of course absolutely no parallelism between that work of fiction and contemporary America.

In "It Can't Happen Here", Mr. Lewis wrote "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.".

James Waterman Wise Jr. (as reported in "The Christian Century" [05 FEB 36]) said "... Hearst and Coughlin are the two chief exponents of fascism in America. If fascism comes, he added, it will not be identified with any 'shirt' movement, nor with an 'insignia', but it will probably be 'wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.'”.

You're fooling yourself if you think that all people want to, and will work. America...and pretty much all the 'western' nations, are full of rather spoiled people. There's the 'Baby Making Machine" families. And don't even try to claim that doesn't exist. I have a family of 6 living in one of my places, and they are just such a family. Professional welfare cases. These people actually tried to tell me that it was not their responsibility to take the garbage to the street once a week for pick-up.

No...Unless the government is willing to FORCE all people to actually work and pay really high taxes...what this will create is a shambles. An economic nightmare. Valueless currency.

And being OK with a reversion to the "Continental" would be...Progressive?

I will agree that, with the current "national psyche" it is NOT possible to get everyone to work to support themselves. That, of course, does not mean that a revision of the "national psyche" (a "rebirth of American Spirit" if you will) would not bring us a whole lot closer to that state than we are currently in.

errr...:roll:

Take it that "Yep, and the automobile wasn't all that good for the livery stable business either." means that change isn't always the kindest thing for those whose ways have become outmoded.

 

[Rich2018]

Racist or not (and I don't see it) it's just blatant, cynical indoctrination requiring children to pledge allegiance to anything, never mind something as symbolic as a flag....

I TOTALLY agree


The pledge of allegiance is child abuse.


It is the kind of indoctrination you'd see in North Korea or in George Orwell's 1984.


It should be scrapped.

 

[Buzz62]

Respect is simply subjective. It is highly disrespectful in my opinion, to call people spineless. Perhaps you have a different opinion, yet you expect others to abide by your opinion on what is respectful and do not hold yourself to what others feel respect should entail. I hold everyone with a base level of respect, but my base level is likely not the same as other people's and it is wrong to assume. I will still judge others on my personal base level of respect and how I feel they should treat others.

In this situation, we have no idea what really went on there, but I know plenty of adults who would not appreciate and fight against someone telling them to do something that they didn't feel they should have to do. It would have nothing to do with respect and everything to do with their feelings on what they are being told they should do. He could still be disrespectful in how he went about protesting it. But the teacher was at least as disrespectful to his rights in demanding he stand for something like the pledge of allegiance, regardless of his reasons for not wanting to do it.

Oh I see.
Well excuse me. I didn't understand that a person's "feelings" about respect for the nation that they live in and enjoy the advantages of, were of paramount import.

Pfft...

 

[Buzz62]

I wouldn't put it quite that broadly.

No really. I quit jerking my knees just after I realized that I already need glasses.

I'm sure that the vast majority of people who don't support Mr. Trump would be quite content if all that happened was that he was no longer the President of the United States of America. As for me, I'd rather prefer to see [1] investigations, [2] indictments (if warranted), [3] trials (if indictments are issued), and [4] convictions (if the evidence justifies them) BEFORE seeing Mr. Trump [5] locked up. As far as Mr. Trump and his supporters are concerned, it appears that they are quite prepared to skip straight to [5] with respect to Ms. Clinton. I will admit that there is likely to be at least ONE whacko who thinks that the correct course of action is to kill Mr. Trump and save the taxpayers the expense involved in any of those five steps.

Not only that, but I am equally sure that the vast majority of Mr. Trump's supporters COULD reach line 33 of "I Sing of Olaf, Glad and Big" given a sufficient inducement. I also don't think that "Nationalist" is the correct term since "American Isolationist" appears to be the preferred alternative to "American Hegemonic" if "American Hegemonic" isn't available.

OK so first of all, we've watched 2+ years of this witch hunt. Its produced several, completely unrelated charges, dug up out of the muck in order to continue to justify Meuller's little empire. This week Cohen is in the spotlight, and ya know what will come of it? A big fat NOTHING-BURGER. Again...:roll:

"American Isolationist"
America still has a healthy and functional immigration policy. They still have trade agreements. I don't see this wave of nationalism as being anything but "looking out for one's nation. Protecting the best interests of the American people. Which is sort of what the government is supposed to do. I only wish Justin had the balls to protect Canada. Oh well...never leave a child, to do a man's job. Lesson learned.

Do NOT EVER threaten your local High School's football program!

:lol:
OK...perhaps the football field thing was a bit over the top...

The parallelism between the "Idealistic Americans (in a capitalist society)" and the "Idealistic Russians (in a Stalinist society [Russia ceased being "Communist" shortly after Stalin took power])" is equally valid if you substitute "Idealistic Germans (in a Nazi society)". What they all have in common is a rather marked disconnect from the realities of the situation (and almost total blindness toward the pitfalls of their "solutions").

I Disagree.
"Idealistic Americans (in a capitalist society)" never have had to resort to police state enforcement. The USA had something WAY better. The Melting Pot. And the Libbies are now trying to destroy that which created the most successful New World nation. Here in Canuckland, I remember learning about The Melting Pot and comparing it to our Multiculturalism. As a lad, I found our method more...people-friendly. As I grew up, I realized that The Melting Pot was actually a stroke of genius. Its the quickest and most effective method for creating a single society and culture, from a nation of immigrants.

If you pay attention to media sources other than "Conservative" ones (in addition to the "Conservative" ones), I shouldn't have to show you anything. The recent arrest of an 11 year old boy stemming from his refusal to stand and recite "The Pledge of Allegiance" is just one example of how "conservatives" act.

Dude...you're gonna have to do a little better than that. I watch, and read, both sides of the spectrum. How else can I know what's going on without the "window dressing"? And you'll have to do a bit better than an 11 year old boy who's "feelings" are more important that patriotism and respect.

 

[Buzz62]

That's a variant on Mr. Reagan's “If fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism.” and even there it's a misquotation of the “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.” that Sinclair Lewis did NOT say.

Nr. Lewis's 1935 "It Can’t Happen Here" describes an America whose President got elected by appealing to voters with a mix of crass language and nativist ideology and who then, once elected, solidified his power by energizing his base against immigrants, people on welfare, and the liberal press. There is, of course absolutely no parallelism between that work of fiction and contemporary America.

In "It Can't Happen Here", Mr. Lewis wrote "But he saw too that in America the struggle was befogged by the fact that the worst Fascists were they who disowned the word ‘Fascism’ and preached enslavement to Capitalism under the style of Constitutional and Traditional Native American Liberty.".

James Waterman Wise Jr. (as reported in "The Christian Century" [05 FEB 36]) said "... Hearst and Coughlin are the two chief exponents of fascism in America. If fascism comes, he added, it will not be identified with any 'shirt' movement, nor with an 'insignia', but it will probably be 'wrapped up in the American flag and heralded as a plea for liberty and preservation of the constitution.'”.

Ya...so much for fortune tellers and predictions made in flowery language so as to be taken seriously.
Eh?

These fine intellectuals obviously never thought of ANTIFA or BLM. Never considered that Liberalism leads to the elevation of a person's "feelings" over the standards of Democracy and Law and Order. Leads to the creation of the "Welfare State". Leads to the squelching of free speech and the dissemination of free thought. Leads to dumb crap like Speech Policing, Rioting, attacking kids for their hats, politicians telling the public to engage in public harassment and assault. I don't see Conservatives doing any of these things. Do you?

I will agree that, with the current "national psyche" it is NOT possible to get everyone to work to support themselves. That, of course, does not mean that a revision of the "national psyche" (a "rebirth of American Spirit" if you will) would not bring us a whole lot closer to that state than we are currently in.

Ya good luck with that...
It'll only hurt their "feelings", and they'll wind up hating you too.

Take it that "Yep, and the automobile wasn't all that good for the livery stable business either." means that change isn't always the kindest thing for those whose ways have become outmoded.

The world's entire economy was never based on livery stables.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

OK so first of all, we've watched 2+ years of this witch hunt. Its produced several, completely unrelated charges, dug up out of the muck in order to continue to justify Meuller's little empire. This week Cohen is in the spotlight, and ya know what will come of it? A big fat NOTHING-BURGER. Again...:roll:

And I am sure that there are others who are just as well informed as to the actual findings of Mr. Muller's investigation as you and I are that will agree with you.

Normally if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, hangs around with ducks, went to duck school, and looks like a duck I'm not likely to conclude that it is an elephant without some pretty convincing evidence as to what it actually is. Until that time, I'm quite prepared to conclude that "Yep, it's a lot like a duck."

"American Isolationist"
America still has a healthy and functional immigration policy. They still have trade agreements. I don't see this wave of nationalism as being anything but "looking out for one's nation. Protecting the best interests of the American people. Which is sort of what the government is supposed to do. I only wish Justin had the balls to protect Canada. Oh well...never leave a child, to do a man's job. Lesson learned.

The thing about "history" is that it is pretty damn good at describing how things USED TO BE.

OK...perhaps the football field thing was a bit over the top...

"A bit"!! Hell it would get you tarred and feathered in some towns.

I Disagree.
"Idealistic Americans (in a capitalist society)" never have had to resort to police state enforcement. The USA had something WAY better. The Melting Pot. And the Libbies are now trying to destroy that which created the most successful New World nation. Here in Canuckland, I remember learning about The Melting Pot and comparing it to our Multiculturalism. As a lad, I found our method more...people-friendly. As I grew up, I realized that The Melting Pot was actually a stroke of genius. Its the quickest and most effective method for creating a single society and culture, from a nation of immigrants.

There is much to be said in favour of a "melting pot" and there is much to be said in favour of a "tossed salad". The strengths of one are the weaknesses of the other.

I'd agree that Canada could use a bit more "melting pot" but I also think that the US could use a bit more "tossed salad".

ASIDE - I really do NOT like "hyphenated" terms like "Indo-Canadian" or "African-American" and would prefer that the sequence be reversed. People move to a new country because they didn't like the old one. (Now there's a blinding flash of the obvious for you.) Since that is the case, then they ought to put the culture of the new country first in their PUBLIC lives. Amongst friends and at home, what cultural practices they practice I really don't care (provided that those aren't contrary to the laws of their new country [and, even there I might be persuaded that there is some "wiggle room"]).

Dude...you're gonna have to do a little better than that. I watch, and read, both sides of the spectrum. How else can I know what's going on without the "window dressing"? And you'll have to do a bit better than an 11 year old boy who's "feelings" are more important that patriotism and respect.

Quite frankly (Scarlet) I don't give a damn (for the child's "feelings"), but I do care quite a bit for the lack of respect (and even violation of policy) that was involved.

We can argue all day about what "patriotism" means (to me it means "supporting your country when it is right and working to reform your country when it is wrong" [to me it does NOT mean "supporting your country REGARDLESS of whether your country is right or wrong"]), but the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America makes it reasonably clear that everyone in the country has the right to "speak out" (and the courts have defined that to include "actions which are not criminal and/or do not call for the commission of criminal acts and/or which do not create a direct threat of harm).

Was the boy right in his contention that the flag of the United States of America "represented" racism? He does have some point. On the other hand the flag of the United States of America ALSO "represents" the ideals set out in the American Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution of the United States of America so his point is not absolute.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Ya...so much for fortune tellers and predictions made in flowery language so as to be taken seriously.
Eh?

These fine intellectuals obviously never thought of ANTIFA or BLM. Never considered that Liberalism leads to the elevation of a person's "feelings" over the standards of Democracy and Law and Order. Leads to the creation of the "Welfare State". Leads to the squelching of free speech and the dissemination of free thought. Leads to dumb crap like Speech Policing, Rioting, attacking kids for their hats, politicians telling the public to engage in public harassment and assault. I don't see Conservatives doing any of these things. Do you?


Ya good luck with that...
It'll only hurt their "feelings", and they'll wind up hating you too.


The world's entire economy was never based on livery stables.

I quite agree, if you don't look at the oncoming train it will never hit your car that is stalled on the railway tracks.

 

[akyron]

Poor kid. Hes been fed a false narrative and ate it all.

 

[justabubba]

Poor kid. Hes been fed a false narrative and ate it all.

what false narrative was he fed?

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

what false narrative was he fed?

Why that there was once slavery in the United States of America and that after the end of that slavery that "Black People" were discriminated against, of course.

 

[Walking away]

God said though....Matthew 5:34 But I say to you, do not take an oath at all

Pledge and oath are not the same.

 

[Buzz62]

I quite agree, if you don't look at the oncoming train it will never hit your car that is stalled on the railway tracks.

What oncoming train do you see?

 

[Buzz62]

Was the boy right in his contention that the flag of the United States of America "represented" racism? He does have some point. On the other hand the flag of the United States of America ALSO "represents" the ideals set out in the American Declaration of Independence and codified in the Constitution of the United States of America so his point is not absolute.

Good post. Sensible.

Does the American flag represent racism? If it does, then every flag on the planet represents something unsavory. Is that what we're saying here? Isn't that just a bit of a stretch? TODAY...this kid has the benefit of all the technology, education, safety and so on...of the United States. These are huge benefits. But I have to believe this kid's parents never told him that. No it appears that 'someone' has been filling this kid's head with hatred and self-pity. Hey maybe his parent's last name is Kapernik???

I think this is a form of fashion. The "broken wing"...the "moral superiority"...the shallow, over bearing, obnoxious, "my truth" horse ****!
This faux liberal, aimless stab at anything that opposes the status quo of society. Like the sparklingly sharp mind that came up with The New Green Deal. Its a gawd-damn orgy of self-serving, self-centered stupidity.

 

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From FOX News

Florida boy, 11, arrested after refusing to recite ‘racist’ Pledge of Allegiance: report
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A Florida middle school student was arrested earlier this month after allegedly getting into a confrontation with school officials and a law enforcement officer following reports that he refused to stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

The 11-year-old attends the sixth grade at Lawton Chiles Middle Academy in Lakeland. He has been charged with disrupting a school function and resisting arrest without being violent, both misdemeanors. The Feb. 4 incident began when the boy allegedly told his substitute teacher he did not want to stand for the pledge because he viewed the American flag as racist against African-Americans.


In a handwritten statement to Polk County Public Schools, the teacher reported telling the boy, "Why if it was so bad here he did not go to another place to live." She said he then said, "they brought me here," according to Bay News 9.

The student was arrested by a school resource officer after he refused to follow commands and called school officials racists, reports said. He has not been identified by the school or police. A Lakeland police spokesperson declined to comment on the matter, The Ledger newspaper reported.

COMMENT:-

Strangely enough, if the "adults" hadn't made a big fuss over this incident, there would have been no "disrupting a school function" and thus no need for police involvement and thus no "resisting arrest" - would there?

On the other hand, it IS the duty of "The State" to ensure that all of the children think and behave exactly alike - isn't it?

Well?

Isn't it?

I mean, we can't have conflicting opinions in a free, open, and democratic society - can we?
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Liberals own the public school system. Why dont ask them why they're such fascist?

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