Stu Ghatze
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I know some here want to believe that I am blind about any wrongdoing from the Bush whitehouse, ..or that I think BUsh has been at his best with everything!
Not true on both counts. However, ...I'am so sick of the way prosecutors ignore some things when it comes to investigating people like Sandy Berger who LIED & WAS CAUGHT in a LIE, or Bill Clinton.....the press does not make it a big deal like they do when repubs get prosecuted.
I suspected the prosecutor could not get Rove, or LIbby or anybody on the actual charge of deliberatley outing Valerie Plame, ..& probably WOULD resort to getting something he could dredge up.
Listen, how do we know that perhaps Libby simply got his dates, & places wrong by mistake? It has been almost two years ya know.
Even the media has PRESUMED Libby broke laws & is guilty, ..I know the prosecutor says he deserves to be seen as innocent until he is convicted in a court of law, ..but the media ALREADY HAS HIM GUILTY by the very things they say, & how they say it!
IMO I must say that whenever it comes to grand juries, & special prosecutors, ..it seems there is different press treatment, & different types of editorializing that always PRESUMES to have democrats look not quite so bad, ..& the republicans "twice the son of hell".
What TROUBLES me MOST is the fact that IT never REALLY has been established that Plame was a COVERT CIA operator, ..that fact has actually been left in limbo, or basically ignored...ecept for Fitzgerald own "opinion" which might NOT be held up in a court of law.
I will NEVER believe that LIbby was the first to KNOW of her, ..or the first to actually tell the media something that mANY of the media people probably ALREADY knew before LIbby tipped her I.D. off to them.
THe Wilson's were a very flamboyant couple, ..I'm not saying that should relieve Libby of his responsibility now, ..it just seems to me that "somebody" from the media more than likely ALREADY knew about her relationship with the CIA, ..& if that is true, ..I find it rather PETTY that Fitzgerald looked for anything to get somebody from the whitehouse on a charge, ..as long as it was a 'charge' period.
If it was because Libby lied, ..my God...Clinton should have been indicted big time for his lies, rther than just accept a fine, & be disbarred. He had ALREADY suborned perjury by a false affadavit, & knowingly lied to a judge; & his DNA was proof enough, not speculation, but damn solid proof!
In the end, ...that prosecutor felt Clinton too big to put him thru a trial, & dared NOT to attempt it.
Clinton was terribly embarrassed, ..but other than that, his crimes were basically not entered into the record, ..& they let him get out of it much more graciously than they could have.
To me....this is how it always seems to go whenever a democrat gets themself into trouble with a grand jury, ..their treatment is by far not quite the same.
Not true on both counts. However, ...I'am so sick of the way prosecutors ignore some things when it comes to investigating people like Sandy Berger who LIED & WAS CAUGHT in a LIE, or Bill Clinton.....the press does not make it a big deal like they do when repubs get prosecuted.
I suspected the prosecutor could not get Rove, or LIbby or anybody on the actual charge of deliberatley outing Valerie Plame, ..& probably WOULD resort to getting something he could dredge up.
Listen, how do we know that perhaps Libby simply got his dates, & places wrong by mistake? It has been almost two years ya know.
Even the media has PRESUMED Libby broke laws & is guilty, ..I know the prosecutor says he deserves to be seen as innocent until he is convicted in a court of law, ..but the media ALREADY HAS HIM GUILTY by the very things they say, & how they say it!
IMO I must say that whenever it comes to grand juries, & special prosecutors, ..it seems there is different press treatment, & different types of editorializing that always PRESUMES to have democrats look not quite so bad, ..& the republicans "twice the son of hell".
What TROUBLES me MOST is the fact that IT never REALLY has been established that Plame was a COVERT CIA operator, ..that fact has actually been left in limbo, or basically ignored...ecept for Fitzgerald own "opinion" which might NOT be held up in a court of law.
I will NEVER believe that LIbby was the first to KNOW of her, ..or the first to actually tell the media something that mANY of the media people probably ALREADY knew before LIbby tipped her I.D. off to them.
THe Wilson's were a very flamboyant couple, ..I'm not saying that should relieve Libby of his responsibility now, ..it just seems to me that "somebody" from the media more than likely ALREADY knew about her relationship with the CIA, ..& if that is true, ..I find it rather PETTY that Fitzgerald looked for anything to get somebody from the whitehouse on a charge, ..as long as it was a 'charge' period.
If it was because Libby lied, ..my God...Clinton should have been indicted big time for his lies, rther than just accept a fine, & be disbarred. He had ALREADY suborned perjury by a false affadavit, & knowingly lied to a judge; & his DNA was proof enough, not speculation, but damn solid proof!
In the end, ...that prosecutor felt Clinton too big to put him thru a trial, & dared NOT to attempt it.
Clinton was terribly embarrassed, ..but other than that, his crimes were basically not entered into the record, ..& they let him get out of it much more graciously than they could have.
To me....this is how it always seems to go whenever a democrat gets themself into trouble with a grand jury, ..their treatment is by far not quite the same.