First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable? (1 Viewer)

[Rumpel]

We had to stop calling Peking that, and change it to Beijing, why?

I did not follow that nonsense.
In Germany most people still say Peking.
Those over-woke fanatics are quite powerful in Germany as well, but fortunately not powerful enough to change Peking into Beijing.

 

[jaypatriot]

Everything on your list except the ones who use "red" as a descriptor, as those make a subset of something else. Besides that, whatever name people use for themselves.

So basically I would call people anything that isn't disrespectful. Like I wouldn't call a Muslim a Mohammedan because they don't like the term.
(Except for "Cracker". Cracker is hillarious.)

I still remember that SNL skit with Richard Prior calling Chevy Chase a "Honky, Honky".
Talk about labels that offend and those that are now out of favor.

 

[jaypatriot]

I did not follow that nonsense.
In Germany most people still say Peking.
Those over-woke fanatics are quite powerful in Germany as well, but fortunately not powerful enough to change Peking into Beijing.

Beijing represents the correct Chinese Mandarin pronunciation of that city.
It is not woke to say "Beijing". It is correct to pronounce it that way.

It's why we don't say "Bombay" and more.

 

[ClaraD]

I actually disagree with this. What languages people speak is way more important than their genetic codes, because spoken language can express individual thought and feeling, and genetic codes are just pot luck.

That doesn't change the fact that it was a label given by colonizers

 

[Rumpel]

Beijing represents the correct Chinese Mandarin pronunciation of that city.
It is not woke to say "Beijing". It is correct to pronounce it that way.

It's why we don't say "Bombay" and more.

Which just goes to show:
Woke people usually have not the faintest idea how languages work.
It is more than woke to say "Beijing".
It is overwoke.

So I am sure you would never ever say: "Germany" - but always only "Deutschland".
And you would never say "Cologne" - but always only "Köln" - and that with the correct pronunciation of the ö - of course.

 

[notquiteright]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

The Natives I know like just good ol' Native, but I guess Native American would work but some Nationalists used the later term at times...

 

[ttwtt78640]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

By (also) choosing other, I include the names of specific tribes.

 

[Rumpel]

about the word "Indianer" in the German language:

A strong influence on the German imagination of Native Americans is the work of Karl May (1842–1912), who wrote various novels about the American Wild West which relied upon, and further developed, this romantic image.[17] May (1842–1912) is among the most successful German writers.[3] As of 2012, about 200 million copies of May's novels have been sold, half of them in Germany.[18][19] He is among the most popular authors of formula fiction in the German language.[20] These specifically German fantasies and projections[21] about Indianer have influenced generations of Germans.[3] Indianer refers to Native Americans in the United States, and also to natives of the Pacific, Central and Latin America

More:

Native Americans in German popular culture - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[CLAX1911]

Eskimo is a word from other "Precolumbian inhabitants of the North American continent.
And it is NO INSULT!

I supect that the right honourable Inuits aka Eskimos don't mind a bit.
It is some of those over-woke white people who seem to mind.

Did you see his rationale that word was used by people who did bad things. So if Adolf Hitler described that white sweet granulated substance as sugar then you shouldn't be allowed to say that. It's a hate work because bad people use it once.

That has got to be the most insane idea I've ever heard.

 

[choiceone]

So the idea of Aborigines or indigenous people is ridiculous.

Maybe, but this was a really long time ago.

 

[choiceone]

Aren't we still supposed to call them "braves" and "squaws"?

/s

Don't use "squaw," it's considered an insult.

 

[CLAX1911]

Maybe, but this was a really long time ago.

So how long ago was long enough?

 

[Rumpel]

Don't use "squaw," it's considered an insult.

So it is!

 

[choiceone]

So how long ago was long enough?

Even though the ancestors of Australian aborigines and Papuan-speaking Melanesians are thought to have migrated to Sahul, the New Guinea-Australia continent, about 60kya and 40-50kya respectively, I see them as "indigenous" to those places because no one is thought to have preceded them. The first peoples to migrate to the Americas are thought to have done so much later, from about 20kya to 12kya, but no one preceded them, either. So I'm inclined to consider the first peoples to move in as the original inhabitants and so indigenous.

 

[Rumpel]

now:

11 x Eskimo
21 x Inuit

I prefer "Eskimo" - and there are very good reasons for the term "Eskimo".

 

[Rumpel]

Beijing represents the correct Chinese Mandarin pronunciation of that city.

Do you pronounce all Hungarian and all German place names also according to the correct Hungarian and German way of writing and pronouncing these names?
I am sure you do not.
And I do not demand that you or anybody else should do.
Except those who live there.

 

[jaypatriot]

Do you pronounce all Hungarian and all German place names also according to the correct Hungarian and German way of writing and pronouncing these names?
I am sure you do not.
And I do not demand that you or anybody else should do.
Except those who live there.

Are you going to go through the rest of your life saying "Burma" or "Bombay" knowing you are wrong? No, you will adopt the proper names for those places.

There is no word in Chinese such as "Peking".
That was a western bastardization of the real name "Beijing".

 

[jaypatriot]

Don't use "squaw," it's considered an insult.

Why is it considered an insult? Because you are triggered by it?
A Native American wife is a squaw.
Just like a young, male Native American is a brave.
Get over it.
Tell me who is complaining about those labels.

 

[Rumpel]

Are you going to go through the rest of your life saying "Burma" or "Bombay" knowing you are wrong? No, you will adopt the proper names for those places.

Neither saying "Burma" or "Birma" nor "Bombay" is wrong.
Just go and inform yourself how languages work where the names of towns and countries are concerned.

Question:

Why do you go on saying "Hungary" when the "proper name" is Magyarország - or so?
In those cases there are no "proper names".
And:
Why do you go through the rest of your life saying "Rome" when the "proper name" is "Roma"?

And there are about 10000000000000000000000000001 other examples like it.

 

[Rumpel]

A Native American wife is a squaw.

Again you show that you have no idea where languages are concerned.

 

[jaypatriot]

Again you show that you have no idea where languages are concerned.

What did I write that was incorrect, Progressive?

 

[jaypatriot]

Neither saying "Burma" or "Birma" nor "Bombay" is wrong.
Just go and inform yourself how languages work where the names of towns and countries are concerned.

Question:

Why do you go on saying "Hungary" when the "proper name" is Magyarország - or so?
In those cases there are no "proper names".
And:
Why do you go through the rest of your life saying "Rome" when the "proper name" is "Roma"?

And there are about 10000000000000000000000000001 other examples like it.

I want you to list all those examples so I can decide if I am wrong or not.

Now you have me confused. If I went back to Turkey should I ask for directions to Byzantium, Constantinople, or Istanbul?
You call the city what the locals call it - while you're there.
Then, like you, you can be as wrong as you choose.

 

[Hari Seldon]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

 

[Rumpel]

I want you to list all those examples so I can decide if I am wrong or not.

Just tell me another thing:

Nuremberg (/ˈnjʊərəmbɜːrɡ/ NURE-əm-burg; German: Nürnberg [ˈnʏʁnbɛʁk] (listen); in the local East Franconian dialect: Nämberch [ˈnɛmbɛrç]) is the second-largest city of the German state of Bavaria after its capital Munich, and its 518,370 (2019) inhabitants make it the 14th-largest city in Germany.

Nuremberg - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

How do you spell and write and pronounce this city?

I am not sure, though, whether you will understand this point.

>>>> Peking or Beijing? <<<<<

 

[Lord of Planar]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

Well, knowing several, most of them prefer the past common term.

Indian.