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First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

  • First Nation

    Votes: 22 32.4%

  • Native American

    Votes: 46 67.6%

  • Indians

    Votes: 22 32.4%

  • Red Indians

    Votes: 3 4.4%

  • Redskins

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • in a text in German language: Indianer

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Eskimo

    Votes: 14 20.6%

  • Inuit

    Votes: 23 33.8%

  • other

    Votes: 29 42.6%

  • nothing

    Votes: 5 7.4%
  • Total voters
    68
Perotista said:
I usually use the terms Indians or Native Americans, now I call Eskimos Eskimos and Inuit, Inuit.. Now I got a chuckle out of your choice of red Indians. Mainly because I call those from India as India Indians. This is if I'm referring to them as a group and not talking to them as individual to individual which then I use their name as they use mine.
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It is all about the groups here - not about the individuals.
 
AmNat said:
The correct term is "Indian".
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Yeah, because Columbus couldn't have been wrong.
Why are some Americans so proudly ignorant?
 
Question:

As it seems, the Right Honourable Inuit are terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call them "Eskimo" even though they call themselves "Inuit".

Now - why are the Welsh NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Wales" even though they call their country "CYMRU" ?

Just one example of many.
 
@ Wales

In case somebody is interested:

The English words "Wales" and "Welsh" derive from the same Old English root (singular Wealh, plural Wēalas), a descendant of Proto-Germanic *Walhaz, which was itself derived from the name of the Gaulish people known to the Romans as Volcae. This term was later used to refer indiscriminately to inhabitants of the Western Roman Empire.[11] Anglo-Saxons came to use the term to refer to the Britons in particular; the plural form Wēalas evolved into the name for their territory, Wales.[12][13] Historically in Britain, the words were not restricted to modern Wales or to the Welsh but were used to refer to anything that Anglo-Saxons associated with Britons, including other non-Germanic territories in Britain (e.g. Cornwall) and places in Anglo-Saxon territory associated with Britons (e.g. Walworth in County Durham and Walton in West Yorkshire).[14]

The modern Welsh name for themselves is Cymry, and Cymru is the Welsh name for Wales. These words (both of which are pronounced [ˈkəm.rɨ]) are descended from the Brythonic word combrogi, meaning "fellow-countrymen",[15][16] and probably came into use before the 7th century.[17][18] In literature, they could be spelt Kymry or Cymry, regardless of whether it referred to the people or their homeland.[15] The Latinised forms of these names, Cambrian, Cambric and Cambria, survive as names such as the Cambrian Mountains and the Cambrian geological period.
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Wales - Wikipedia

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Now - why are the Hungarians NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Hungary " even though they call their country "Magyarország"?
 
Now - why are the Albanians NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Albania " even though they call their country "Shqipëri"?
 
Rumpel said:
Now - why are the Albanians NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Albania " even though they call their country "Shqipëri"?
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What’s it called when the OP derails his thread?
 
Rumpel said:
Question:

As it seems, the Right Honourable Inuit are terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call them "Eskimo" even though they call themselves "Inuit".

Now - why are the Welsh NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Wales" even though they call their country "CYMRU" ?

Just one example of many.
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What a juvenile post.
What's wrong with you? Do you really not care how you look? This sounds like a particularily dim-witted 13 year old wrote it.
 
Have you ever thought of those names for Wales, Hungary, and Albania?
It is the same situation that concerns Eskimo vs. Inuit
 
Rumpel said:
Have you ever thought of those names for Wales, Hungary, and Albania?
It is the same situation that concerns Eskimo vs. Inuit
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Well, no, it's not the same situation. The Inuit people were called "eskimos" by the people that committed rather horrible and despicable acts against them. For example, at the moment, Canada is excavating a mass grave of several hundred native children found at the Kamloops Indian Residential School. The school was operated by the Catholic Church up until 1969, and then taken over by the government.

Reason that this school existed is because Canada forcibly abducted native children from their homes, and forced them into these institutions to "civilize" them.* Many of the children that survived the experience are still alive today. And when we use the term "eskimo," it evokes the personal abuse of a lot of those victims experienced.

(*Both Australia and the United States also abducted native children from their homes and put them into institutions to assimilate them.)
 
Rumpel said:
First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?
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Native Americans hate the word redskins like blacks hate the word nigger. That is obviously why a National Football League team finally retried its name (Redskins) and logos. The word is not accurate anyway because their skin is brown.

The only reason Native Americans are often called Indians is Christopher Columbus and his crew thought they were in India, thanks to everyone except him believing Earth is flat. He was looking for India. So I agree calling them Indians is also wrong.

Eskimo is one group of native Alaskans, right? Like Lakotas in the Dakotas, Seminoles in Florida, etc. You can't use it interchangeably with "Native Americans" because it is not all members of a brown-skinned race.

The term First Nation is incorrect too because each tribe is its own "nation" in Native American cultures. You can only identify the first tribe that crossed the Bering Sea strait bridge as the First Nation for this name to be accurate.

That leaves us with only one: Native Americans. It is what they want to be called. It is what makes sense. It is what the mainstream media use out of respect for them. If you don't like it, just call them people.
 
Let me say it again: It is a completely normal thing, that names of countries and peoples are different in different languages.
Here is a link how to say "Germany" in 47 languages:

>>> https://www.101languages.net/countries/germany-in-other-languages/ <<<

It would be absurd to ask that everybody should say "Deutschland" and nothing else.
But some Inuits seem to ask that the whole world should not say "Eskimo" - but "Inuit" - and nothing else.
 
@brothern

Even referring to your arguments it is the same situation.

Wales and the Welsh were given these names by the English, who for a long time have persecuted and oppressed the Welsh.
So politically over-correct people should also demand the whole world to say "Cymru" instead of "Wales".
 
Question:

Must we really call all countries and peoples by exactly the same name as they call themselves?
I doubt it very much.
 
Question:

As it seems, the Right Honourable Inuit are terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call them "Eskimo" even though they call themselves "Inuit".

Now - why are the Welsh NOT terribly offended and in tears und furious und quite desperate because all those bad people call their country "Wales" even though they call their country "CYMRU" ?

Just one example of many.
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May I repeat my question? :)
It is a sensible question. :)
But so far I have not got a sensible answer to it. :)
 
And again this question: "Must we really call all countries and peoples by exactly the same name as they call themselves?"
It is also quite an honest and sensible question. :)
 
Rumpel said:
That is an age-old issue.
Dealing with exonyms and endonyms.
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You taught me vocabulary today. Thanks. I thought 'Native American' was the most pc these days unless you knew the tribe, but I may be out of date. I will call them whatever they like.
 
Cardinal said:
That's a blast to the past. The portrayal found in "cowboys and Indians" is an archaic concept here in the United States that ended largely when it stopped being in the media, roughly around the sixties, I think. Kids would play cowboys and Indians into the 80's until it died out altogether. Not saying you won't still find it ever, but it's definitely no longer ubiquitous.
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I suspect television replacing the movies as inspiration in more and more homes for Boys 'pretend time' in the 60's was largely responsible for the switch. Television brought us a broader variety including Batman and Robin, Lost in Space,, Johnny Quest, Professional wrestling, Star Trek, Robin Hood, Combat, I Spy, , as well as Westerns like Bonanza and Gunsmoke.
 
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