First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable? (1 Viewer)

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[Grand Mal]

Because I speak the English language, where Eskimo is not a slur and wop is a slur.

I strongly doubt that you are a linguist in whatever languages the Algonquin spoke, so you have no authority to claim it is a slower in their language.

Actually, my Metis wife worked on a Dene dictionary when she lived in the Northwest Territories.
But the point that you don't seem to get is that It's not up to you or me or any Algonquin speaker to decide if the term is a slur. It's up to the Inuit.
"Eskimo" isn't English and the point of the wop illustration is that it's a slur because an Italian decided it is. Not because an Englishman decided it is. Get it?

 

[Grand Mal]

There are no humans native to the North American continent so Native American is not an accurate term. Indian is fine as a general, all encompassing, term.

Not your decision, is it.
For that matter, there are no humans native to Europe either, or India. By your reasoning. Paleolithic migration isn't immigration.

 

[Bodi]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

When it comes to the football team though, Redskins is fine too.

 

[Bodi]

Native American or Aboriginal American are the most accurate terms.

Wrong.

Their way of saying Cherokee, Creek, Pawnee, etc is the most accurate.

 

[Bodi]

There are no humans native to the North American continent so Native American is not an accurate term. Indian is fine as a general, all encompassing, term.

There are no humans native to anywhere except the rift valley so there are no Europeans or anything... no Americans at all.

 

[Da Mole]

The Dawes Act of 1887 offered citizenship for the first time to Native Americans. Prior to this, they were outside of the country with ever-shifting geographical reservations serving as units of containment.

This also explains why black culture is so saturated within the American fabric, while Native American culture is not. Despite being slaves, black people were very much among the American society and even identified as citizens in the original Constitution (Three-Fifths rule), as were indentured servants on contract, who were almost entirely white Europeans. "Indians" were expressly "excluded" within the same sentence in Article I. Then, throughout Manifest Destiny, Native Americans were pushed further into lands that had not yet been consumed into new states. Reservations were formed and shifted about to accommodate land acquired for things like farming and the railroad. Legally, they were foreigners until the Dawes Act recognized them as living beings within the United States.

The result, over two centuries later is that while Native Americans are citizens, they still very much sit outside the mainstream of society.

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"The result, over two centuries later is that while Native Americans are citizens, they still very much sit outside the mainstream of society" I wonder, just how much of that is by choice? I wonder just how much of that is due to bad government policies, which include institutionalized welfare.




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[bomberfox]

Indians is just plain inaccurate.

 

[Napoleon]

There are no humans native to anywhere except the rift valley so there are no Europeans or anything... no Americans at all.

Not necessarily. There are quite a few hominid species which arose in various places outside of the Rift Valley and interbred with Homo sapiens to create anthropologically modern humans, i.e. Homo sapiens sapiens.

 

[bomberfox]

Now I had a look into the Canadian Enzyclopedia

Indian

The term Indian, when used to identify Indigenous peoples in South, Central and North America, is considered outdated and offensive. In Canada, the term has b...

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca

"Indian" as a term may be "outdated" - but is it really "offensive" now?

It was just incorrect made from the geographical ignorance of the colonizers.

 

[Rumpel]

It may be like the word mentally retarded which came to be a slur but started out as a descriptor.
Now we use mentally challenged and where people used to insult by saying one is retarded we now say you must be mentally challenged as an insult. So we need to keep changing the words I guess.

That's what's called the Euphemism Treadmill.

The Euphemism Treadmill is common in the areas of language related to race and ethnicity, disease, and disability. What is this phenomenon? A euphemism is a word substituted for one that is considered unpleasant or embarrassing, which can be motivated by a desire to not offend. However, sometimes these good intentions can backfire. The so-called “Euphemism Treadmill” is when a word becomes pejorative because of its reference to offensive concepts, and so a polite word is introduced to replace it. As an example, latrine became water closet, which became toilet, which became bathroom, which became restroom. All related words will eventually stigmatize because the very subject matter is taboo. Over time, a euphemism becomes tainted by association and is also replaced. In the well-meaning search to find a stigma-free term, this cycle repeats itself. No matter how benign the euphemism appears at first, it will become offensive and be replaced by another word that in due course will also undergo the same process. However, relabeling a concept does not necessarily reduce its stigma or improve people’s attitudes.

A good example of the Euphemism Treadmill at work is the language used to talk about disability. Historically, idiot, imbecile and moron were part of a now disused classification system of intelligence that was used by doctors to describe what we today call “intellectual disabilities.” Idiot dates back to the fourteenth century, imbecile is from the sixteenth century, while moron is a relatively new term that replaced the older terms simpleton or feeble–minded. These are no longer used as clinical terms, but they still exist as ableist insults. They were replaced by mentally handicapped, which became the standard term for someone with physical or intellectual disabilities until it developed negative connotations in the 1960s. Handicapped is mostly outdated and derogatory when used in reference to people, but it is still accepted in some contexts, when referring to parking spaces and bathroom stalls, although accessible or disabled are preferred in many places.

Ableist Language and the Euphemism Treadmill | Fifteen Eighty Four | Cambridge University Press

The Euphemism Treadmill is common in the areas of language related to race and ethnicity, disease, and disability. What is this phenomenon?

www.cambridgeblog.org

 

[Bodi]

Not necessarily. There are quite a few hominid species which arose in various places outside of the Rift Valley and interbred with Homo sapiens to create anthropologically modern humans, i.e. Homo sapiens sapiens.

Any person that lived is native to the place in which they were born... so other than the ones that arrived in America... the rest are all Natives.

Personally, I never liked the term because I am a native American too. We just arrived in 1620 but somehow it does not apply to us.

 

[Rickeroo]

"rightest" are very much a part of that progress in American culture too

Their influence grows weaker with each passing day - the country is drifting leftward. The trend is away from personal responsibility and more towards blaming other people, which brings us to the billionaires:

And "wealth transfer" is a false argument used by the wealthy elite to enlist the middle class into helping them avoid taxes. If I have to pay near $40,000 in taxes in 2019, a man like Trump shouldn't get to pay only $750 in 2016 and 2017. And billion-dollar corporations should be paying more than 0%.

From the second link:

If these companies paid the statutory 21 percent federal tax rate, they would owe $16.4 billion in federal income taxes. Instead, they collectively received $4.3 billion in rebates

This represents a $20.7 billion shortfall for 2018. Tax revenue for that year was $3.33 trillion. Had they paid their fair share, tax revenue would have been increased by 0.8%. It would have taken 60 of the largest companies to pull that off. While it's politically expedient, an increase of 0.8% in social services isn't going to make much difference. And so it is with racial terminology - Indians are still stuck on reservations no matter what they call them. Poor people are still poor even if those companies paid up.

Like the Civil Rights Marches? BLM demonstrations?

If the Civil Rights marches were substantive (curative), then the call for racial justice would have quieted down. Instead, it's getting louder. Changing the Redskins team and naming all of the streets MLK Boulevard does not address racial disparity. The country will come up with a left-leaning solution to finally address it. For now, we can indulge in silly threads like what to call Indians.

 

[Ren]

Indigenous

 

[Rumpel]

@ aboriginal and native

While “Aboriginal” has fallen out of favour, in part due to the negative connotation some suggests it carries, the term is used in section 35 of the Constitution Act, 1982 and other pieces of legislation. Therefore, “Aboriginal” (like “Indian”) carries legal significance in Canada.

The word Native — another catch-all phrase sometimes used to refer to Indigenous peoples in Canada — is considered outdated and offensive by many because of its vagueness.

Indian

The term Indian, when used to identify Indigenous peoples in South, Central and North America, is considered outdated and offensive. In Canada, the term has b...

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca

 

[ecofarm]

Look, we made a mistake about 500 years ago and we are not about to admit that. Five hundred ****ing years of covering our moronic error, and you people wanna give up on that now? They're Indians because they are on the "continent" of India. Okay? Those are the facts and we're not about to look stupid on this. Stick to the facts!


*snicker*

 

[Rumpel]

@ Indian, Métis, Inuit

Legally speaking however, not all First Nations peoples are Indians — that is, not all have Indian Status. Indian is a legal identity that has been defined since 1876 by criteria set out in the Indian Act. The people who fit these criteria are known as Status Indians.

Inuit and Métis do not have status, just like Non-Status Indians.

Indian

The term Indian, when used to identify Indigenous peoples in South, Central and North America, is considered outdated and offensive. In Canada, the term has b...

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca

Now I will have to look up "Métis".

 

[Rumpel]

@ Métis

Métis are people of mixed European and Indigenous ancestry, and one of the three recognized Aboriginal peoples in Canada. The use of the term Métis is complex and contentious, and has different historical and contemporary meanings. The term is used to describe communities of mixed European and Indigenous descent across Canada, and a specific community of people — defined as the Métis Nation — which originated largely in Western Canada and emerged as a political force in the 19th century, radiating outwards from the Red River Settlement. While the Canadian government politically marginalized the Métis after 1885, they have since been recognized as an Aboriginal people with rights enshrined in the Constitution of Canada and more clearly defined in a series of Supreme Court of Canada decisions.

Métis

Métis are people of mixed European and Indigenous ancestry, and one of the three recognized Aboriginal peoples in Canada. The use of the term Métis is complex...

www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca

Have you all heard of the Métis?

 

[Rumpel]

Maybe we can agree on this wise line:

"We are all foreigners - somewhere on earth."

 

[Rumpel]

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Old William has been proven wrong.
Anyway - it was that naive Juliet who said so.

 

[mrjurrs]

Native American or Aboriginal American are the most accurate terms.

Only for Europeans, why don't we just call them what the call themselves?

 

[mrjurrs]

@ First Nation

And what should be said outside of Canada?

Because what might be the first nation in Canada, might not be the first nation for the rest of the world.

It is my understanding that many of the people would refer to their groups as 'nations'.

 

[Eriech]

How about American?

 

[Sagittarius83]

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That's what's called the Euphemism Treadmill.

Ableist Language and the Euphemism Treadmill | Fifteen Eighty Four | Cambridge University Press

The Euphemism Treadmill is common in the areas of language related to race and ethnicity, disease, and disability. What is this phenomenon?

www.cambridgeblog.org

These language games remind me too much of Newspeak.

 

[MaryP]

First Nation, Native Americans, Indians etc - which terms do you find acceptable?

I'm not Native American, so it's not for me to say. It's up to them.