First charges filed in Mueller investigation

[bubbabgone]

So steele interviewed russians that he thought might be able to corroborate things he's researched. Still not seeing anything wrong here.

The uncorroborated dossier was funded by a political Party, Steele shopped the uncorroborated dossier to the media, it got printed by the media, it got read from at Congressional hearings, and it may have been used to get warrants despite being uncorroborated.

 

[poweRob]

The uncorroborated dossier was funded by a political Party, Steele shopped the uncorroborated dossier to the media, it got printed by the media, it got read from at Congressional hearings, and it may have been used to get warrants despite being uncorroborated.

Some has been corroborated. That's the whole deal. No not the pee pee tape. But some meetings with russians have been verified by allied intel. Steele's name and that corroboration is why the dossier isn't in the trash.

 

[Oreo]

So? What are you saying? The Clinton campaign hired oppo research firm?

It's just one of many conspiracies theories--(which are always centered around Hillary Clinton.) They're like Pavlog's dogs, anytime her name is mentioned they come in growling, barking and foaming at the mouth.

In September 2015, Fusion GPS was hired by The Washington Free Beacon, a conservative political website, to do opposition research on Trump and other Republican presidential candidates. In spring 2016 when Trump had emerged as the probable Republican candidate, the Free Beacon stopped funding investigation into Trump.[25] From April 2016 through October 2016, the law firm Perkins Coie, on behalf of the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee retained Fusion GPS to continue opposition research on Trump.[26][27][28] In June 2016, after the Democratic National Committee had been compromised and its emails began to be published online by Wikileaks, Fusion GPS retained Christopher Steele, a private British corporate intelligence investigator and former MI-6 agent, to research any Russian connections to Trump. Steele produced a 35-page series of memos from June to December 2016, which became the document known as the Donald Trump–Russia dossier.[26][29] Fusion GPS provided Marc Elias, the lead election lawyer for Perkins Coie, with the resulting dossier and other research documents.[27][28]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS

The right wing have been all over Uranium One and Fusion GPS for the last week. Their favorite target has always been Hillary Clinton--and they do it to deflect attention away from the Russian investigations. Here are the lastest conspiracy theories.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...&utm_term=.b3b236543582&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1



This is their tactic. Anytime they know that breaking news is coming out on these Russian investigations, Hillary Clinton's name is going to be brought up often--and they'll try to attach a conspiracy and spin it in her direction, for their right wing political soap box programs, and websites.

What they don't realise is that Trump and his surrogates were being monitored and watched since 2015, by several different foreign intelligence sources, that we share intelligence with.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

 

[poweRob]

It's just one of many conspiracies theories--(which are always centered around Hillary Clinton.) They're like Pavlog's dogs, anytime her name is mentioned they come in growling, barking and foaming at the mouth.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_GPS

The right wing have been all over Uranium One and Fusion GPS for the last week. Their favorite target has always been Hillary Clinton--and they do it to deflect attention away from the Russian investigations. Here are the lastest conspiracy theories.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...&utm_term=.b3b236543582&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1



This is their tactic. Anytime they know that breaking news is coming out on these Russian investigations, Hillary Clinton's name is going to be brought up often--and they'll try to attach a conspiracy and spin it in her direction, for their right wing political soap box programs, and websites.

What they don't realise is that Trump and his surrogates were being monitored and watched since 2015, by several different foreign intelligence sources, that we share intelligence with.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

They've ramped up the noise about the time Mueller told the assistant AG what was going to happen. Then voila, magically the entire right is loud as hell with distractions.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

What's your CO address? But I'm not coming to CO this Winter. No way man.

My address? Seems a little personal. I meant come see me in this online community. CO is an amazing place, though, and we'd be happy to have you anytime.

 

[danarhea]

Come see me when a judge finds evidence of a crime. That is, after all, the topic of this thread.

Been living in a cave? A Federal judge accepted Mueller's indictment on Friday. LOL. :mrgreen:

 

[humbolt]

Steele was a british intel that has been very credible.

His name is the only reason this dossier story ever got legs.

I somehow doubt his reputation is the only reason this thing got going. And again, it's apparent his sources are of rather dubious credibility, to put it mildly. It's fairly difficult to claim, rightly, that the Russians were intent on influencing the election on the one hand, and place faith in the content of the dossier on the other when the Russians were the source of it.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

Been living in a cave? A Federal judge accepted Mueller's indictment on Friday.

Find evidence of wrongdoing between the "dossier" and the Clinton campaign. The Mueller indictments are already done deals, with merit, according to the grand jury and the judge. Please read what I wrote again.

 

[Mycroft]

No. What I've seen is third party so far. Just like Rubio's superpac guy who started the fusion dossier.

The law firm who hired Fusion GPS was paid by the Hillary campaign and the DNC. That's not third party.

 

[poweRob]

Been living in a cave? A Federal judge accepted Mueller's indictment on Friday. LOL. :mrgreen:

mateo was talking about charges on the dossier front that the right is trying to make hay with.

 

[Chomsky]

That there takes some serious work.

I'll say.

Often partisan political endeavors are crude, concentrating on the message rather than technical proficiency or aesthetics. Trump's re-Tweet .gif of him hitting and knocking down Hillary with a golf drive, is a prime example.

But this production was pretty damn good.

If Trump were smart, he'd hire guys like those here for his stuff!

 

[Mycroft]

I know you disagree with me, and that's fine, but this thread is about the special counsel's indictments. Your indoctrination requires you to repeat what someone told you related to Uranium One and Fusion GPS, but it's just standard diversionary tactics that are wasting your time, my time, and far too much space on the 74 pages of this thread.

I can't change nor expand your mind, but I can at least consider sources that you provide. Unfortunately, that's one source per hundred posts of crazy.

You are new here, but believe me, thread discussion almost always end up talking about things that are not exactly aligned with the thread topic. It's just happens and it's a fact of forum life. In this case, I've made my on-topic points and others...including you...have gone on to talk about something I've said to support my points. That means it's YOU who is responsible for going off topic. But hey...if you can't handle your own off-topic distractions, then yeah...you should just stop.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

You are new here, but believe me, thread discussion almost always end up talking about things that are not exactly aligned with the thread topic. It's just happens and it's a fact of forum life. In this case, I've made my on-topic points and others...including you...have gone on to talk about something I've said to support my points. That means it's YOU who is responsible for going off topic. But hey...if you can't handle your own off-topic distractions, then yeah...you should just stop.

I'm super new. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be accountable for and handle everything I post. I don't intend to stop what I'm doing, but I do appreciate the advice of experienced community members.don't

 

[Chomsky]

I suppose it depends on which end of a FISA warrant you happen to be on, and how credible the basis for it might be. I'd be anxious for Mr. Steele to have his Russian sources step up and corroborate his conclusions because he, by himself, is not a credible source. Given that he's not an American citizen, I'd say that's highly unlikely on many fronts, including that the Russians aren't going to offer any help at all beyond having a vodka and laughing their collective asses off.

Manafort and Flynn, however, may have some problems to deal with. Manafort likely has some 'spainin to do, and I doubt it'll be sufficient. I don't view Flynn's problems as nearly so serious.

Hypothesizing no collusion ever occurred, I still have no doubt Manafort is toast regardless.

Flynn, I'm less sure of. He may have problems more of an administrative or regulatory nature, or even of perjury.

But who knows with even Flynn, because he does go to Russia and has Russian ties or business. So anything's possible. And he quickly offered testifying in exchange for immunity, which strikes me as ominous for him!

 

[poweRob]

I'm super new. Thanks for the warm welcome. I'll be accountable for and handle everything I post. I don't intend to stop what I'm doing, but I do appreciate the advice of experienced community members.don't

 

[poweRob]

Hypothesizing no collusion ever occurred, I still have no doubt Manafort is toast regardless.

Flynn, I'm less sure of. He may have problems more of an administrative or regulatory nature, or even of perjury.

But who knows with even Flynn, because he does go to Russia and has Russian ties or business. So anything's possible. And he quickly offered testifying in exchange for immunity, which strikes me as ominous for him!

I think the early charges will be for obstruction. Because that's the illegal wall they had to get through as they found the evidence. It'll be about lying and trying to destroy email chains and whatnot.

Que the "what about clinton" nuts.

 

[Chomsky]

I think the early charges will be for obstruction. Because that's the illegal wall they had to get through as they found the evidence. It'll be about lying and trying to destroy email chains and whatnot.

That's as good a supposition as any.

Did you see the "It's Mueller Time" video, earlier in the thread?

 

[poweRob]

That's as good a supposition as any.

Did you see the "It's Mueller Time" video, earlier in the thread?

I sure did. That was fantastic.

 

[Simon W. Moon]

The Elite cant be seen as beating up on the people around Trump because they are upset that the people defied them and elected Trump.
Thats the most important thing, if they do it anyways because they are stupid and keep doing stupid things then they keep digging their graves (so to speak).

Do "The Elite" know that they are members of "The Elite"?
Can they recognize other members? Like via a secret handshake or something?

 

[Chomsky]

Que the "what about clinton" nuts.

Hey, if they want her taken down and can prove she's dirty, I'm all for it.

As long as they support Trump getting his just dessert, whatever that may be.

 

[MateoMtnClimber]

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Ah, only the thanks was sarcastic. I meant what I said about the advice of other posters. (The "don't" was a weird typo.)

 

[Simon W. Moon]

That was a bad idea, I was counting on Meuller to know better.
I am likely to be disappointed.

If you expect a prosecutor to turn a blind eye to a crime, you're gonna have a bad time.

 

[pillars]

Do "The Elite" know that they are members of "The Elite"?
Can they recognize other members? Like via a secret handshake or something?

Technically speaking, Trump--who attended an ivy league college and is worth (some number of) billions --is a member of the elite.

Not sure why his supporters haven't figured out yet that he is not a man of the people.

 

[Mycroft]

Lots of speculation abounds.

For example, this one:

The FBI's investigation of Donald Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, includes a keen focus on a series of suspicious wire transfers in which offshore companies linked to Manafort moved more than $3 million all over the globe between 2012 and 2013.

Much of the money came into the United States.

These transactions — which have not been previously reported — drew the attention of federal law enforcement officials as far back as 2012, when they began to examine wire transfers to determine if Manafort hid money from tax authorities or helped the Ukrainian regime close to Russian President Vladimir Putin launder some of the millions it plundered through corrupt dealings.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jasonleopo...picious-wire?utm_term=.vdqjA1YZ9m#.qyXbzG2oMN

If this speculation is true, it gives legs to the notion of Mueller conducting nothing more than a witch hunt. I mean, we don't need a special prosecutor to investigate crimes that have no bearing on Trump/Russian collusion. The FBI has career investigators and the DOJ has career prosecutors who could easily handle the job.

I think it's time for the DOJ to tell Mueller to wrap this investigation up.

 

[humbolt]

Hypothesizing no collusion ever occurred, I still have no doubt Manafort is toast regardless.

Flynn, I'm less sure of. He may have problems more of an administrative or regulatory nature, or even of perjury.

But who knows with even Flynn, because he does go to Russia and has Russian ties or business. So anything's possible. And he quickly offered testifying in exchange for immunity, which strikes me as ominous for him!

I doubt it's collusion, per se. A special prosecutor has pretty wide latitude to investigate whatever criminal or illegal evidence he finds. Manafort no doubt has some questionable money handling concerns, and they could go back many years, and likely do. Flynn's transgressions likely don't reach that level, although we might be surprised. I just seriously doubt it in Flynn's case. Flynn may be a lot of things some don't like, but I think he's enough of a patriot that he didn't do anything seriously untoward or illegal. My impression, as insignificant as it may be, is that Manafort has always been something of a questionable character.