Fire is and always has been a very natural and necessary occurrence

[Gateman_Wen]

FACT.

New large fires burning in Oregon, close section of Pacific Crest Trail


The planet has been reshaped many times. Personally I'm rooting for the super volcanoes and giant meteor.

Until then, lightning and fire will cleanse the forest. as it has for millions of years. whoopty doo.

You are ignoring some facts and amplifying the significance of others in favor of your ridiculous hypothesis.

That's dishonest. Lying in fact.

 

[Roadvirus]

Actually it is quite interesting just how many idiots have burned down houses and such trying to use fire to kill spiders.

And other insects. Some people are just not very bright.

 

[LouC]

OK

Folks should remember this rule of thumb with spiders, FIRE, not a sensible nor practical method for eradication.

Also keep in mind when killing a spider that you are really likely not aware of just how many spider friends and family will attend the funeral?

 

[LouC]

And other insects.

So true

A Man Set His House on Fire While Trying to Get Rid of Wasps

A Man Set His House on Fire While Trying to Get Rid of Wasps

“This is especially dumb,” said Thunder Bay Fire Chief John Hay.

www.vice.com

Some people are just not very bright.

If people were all bright there would never be 90% of the videos that are on the internet and shows like America Funniest Home Video's would have never aired.

Also that would end The Darwin Awards!

 

[RealityNow]

Some of these Right Wing and Conservative people who come to public forums with their idiocy every day have to be among the 'DUMBEST people on planet earth"...

I think liberal minded white people can do their kids a very big deed of Justice and Respect for Humanity, to keep them as far away from Right Wing Barbarians who lust for any type of Savagery they can, and if they can't find a means to engage savagery upon society, they will attack each other, as long as they can exercise the fact of being a Savage.

People better open their minds and stop denying what you see, read and hear every day, from Right Wingers... These people have never evolved from the mentality of "Brutish Madness", many of them will in time die, the same as they have lived, as nothing more than a Bigoted and Belligerence Barbarian, waking up daily to enact savagery when ever and where ever, by what ever means they can.
Trust them at your own risk and detriment.

As Black and Brown people, we've seen them throughout generations upon generation, so there is no deluding black and brown people about the evils, the malice and madness and the untrustworthiness of these types of right wing white people, when it comes to knowing the barbarism and savagery that Right Wing white people live by and have lived by for 100's of yrs.

Liberal White People need to get their head out of the sand, and stop trying to straddle the fence, and acknowledge the Barbarian Savage they are confronted with and have to deal with on daily basis. .

 

[longview]

So true!

If people were all bright there would never be 90% of the videos that are on the internet and shows like America Funniest Home Video's would have never aired.

Also that would end The Darwin Awards!

Jered Diamond said in Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies,
that the most intelligent people he ever met were the stone age tribes of New Guinea,
based on the fact that non intelligent ones were weeded out by nature, before they became adults.
This meant that only the intelligent ones lives long enough to procreate.

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[LouC]

Jered Diamond said in Guns, Germs, and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies,
that the most intelligent people he ever met were the stone age tribes of New Guinea,
based on the fact that non intelligent ones were weeded out by nature, before they became adults.
This meant that only the intelligent ones lives long enough to procreate.

Darwinism at its most sublime!

 

[Quag]

I would respectfully disagree, but I prefer being nasty and argumentative for the sake of argument!!!!

Actually forest fires and wildfires can be completely separate types of fires if one wants to wax technical although I will concede that either type of fire might also involve both forested and non forested landscapes.

Huh? I have no clue why you think that is relevant to my correction

 

[LouC]

Huh? I have no clue why you think that is relevant to my correction

There was no relevant need for you to think anything I had posted needed correcting.

It did not.

What you had posted really was irrelevant.

 

[Mach]

Personally I'm rooting for the super volcanoes and giant meteor.

You really do want to see it all burn down. About what I expected from you.

 

[Quag]

There was no relevant need for you to think anything I had posted needed correcting.

It did not.

What you had posted really was irrelevant.

Wasnt really trying to correct you I meant remove the bit I highlighted and the sentence is still correct

 

[Schism]

You really do want to see it all burn down. About what I expected from you.

I support and respect nature and natural disasters. We're guests on this planet.

Fire is actually an important part of the process. You should look into it.

 

[Schism]

While it is certainly true that fires are a natural part of every forest, there are human caused issues that take things to a whole new level. For example, the Chinese Spruce beetle was accidentally imported into Oregon, Washington, and Alaska when the US began importing untreated spruce from China during the 1980s and 1990s.

As a result tens of millions of acres of spruce have been killed, which directly contributes to much larger forest fires. For example, Alaska became infested with Chinese Spruce beetles during the 1990s, which resulted in more than 10 million acres being killed. The typical wild fire burned ~1.5 million acres per year, but in 2004 Alaska had 6.5 million acres burn that year. The amount of acres burned in Alaska each year remained higher than average from 2000 until 2010. It has only been during the last decade or so that wild fires have returned back to their annual average of ~1.5 million acres burned.

It sounds like the fire destroyed the beetles and the wood that was useless anyways.

Fire wins again.

 

[Nickyjo]

Most States already allow their residents to harvest dead trees from State forests. It is only the leftist filth in the National Forest Service that irrationally bans the practice.

You have evidence that leftist filth have infected the National Forest Service? I cut down a dead tree near my cabin near Laje Tahoe without any objection heard. I believe it’s called “mechanical thinning” when the Forest Service does it to living trees. They also have prescribed burns, I believe.

And you seem to believe that leftists are dirtier than average. I didn’t know that.

 

[Glitch]

It sounds like the fire destroyed the beetles and the wood that was useless anyways.

Fire wins again.

Actually, the beetles killed themselves by eating up their only source of food. They starved themselves into extinction. Trees are always useful, even dead. For those living off-grid they require at least 9 to 12 cords of dead wood every Winter just to heat a 400 sq. ft. cabin. The forests in Alaska are also four times less dense than forests in the lower-48. So where you might be able to glean a cord of dead wood from an acre in the lower-48, you need four acres in Alaska to obtain the same quantity.

 

[Mach]

I support and respect nature and natural disasters. We're guests on this planet.
Fire is actually an important part of the process. You should look into it.

Liar.

You clearly wrote:
Schism: "Personally I'm rooting for the super volcanoes and giant meteor."

Which is NOT advocating for fires/burns.
You literally wrote that you're rooting for global extinction (of which both of the listed events are classified as).
It's sick and absurd.

 

[Luce]

Have we not been raking the forests?

 

[Buzz]

Yet Trump did absolutely nothing to change federal National Forest Service policy, which to this day continues to prohibit people from collecting dead trees and debris from the forest floor. What is the point of having an idea if you don't put it into effect when you had the power to do so?

You are wrong.

The National Forest Service does not prohibit people from collecting dead trees. Maybe in some particular forests. But not everywhere.

From their website:

Most national forests allow users to harvest trees for personal use firewood and Christmas trees, but you must first have a Forest Service-issued permit and you must follow specific guidelines, which can vary from forest to forest.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/visit/know-before-you-go/tree-cutting

 

[rickc]

People who have never been out west to the Rocky Mountains have no comprehension of how difficult fighting a fire there is. Steep mountains, dry conditions, very low humidity, strong winds and a huge fuel load from undergrowth, deadfalls and heavy tree cover. Millions of acres with very few roads. Once you see it you will understand.​

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New Firewood Permits Available​

New Forest Service firewood permits will be available for purchase at Forest Service offices beginning April 1. The annual permit allows firewood cutting through March 31, 2014.

The cost of a firewood permit from the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest is $20 for a minimum purchase of four cords. Additional cords may be purchased for $5 per cord up to a total of 12 cords per individual per year.

A cord is the amount of tightly piled wood in a stack four feet high by four feet wide by eight feet long.

The permit allows woodcutters to remove downed timber or to cut down standing dead trees under most conditions in the national forests and grasslands in Montana, northern Idaho, and parts of North and South Dakota, and on lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management in Montana and northern Idaho.

 

[Bodecea]

FACT.

New large fires burning in Oregon, close section of Pacific Crest Trail


The planet has been reshaped many times. Personally I'm rooting for the super volcanoes and giant meteor.

Until then, lightning and fire will cleanse the forest. as it has for millions of years. whoopty doo.

Cigarette smokers throwing their lit butts out cars is a "very natural" part of life, right?

 

[Bodecea]

People who have never been out west to the Rocky Mountains have no comprehension of how difficult fighting a fire there is. Steep mountains, dry conditions, very low humidity, strong winds and a huge fuel load from undergrowth, deadfalls and heavy tree cover. Millions of acres with very few roads. Once you see it you will understand.​

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New Firewood Permits Available​

New Forest Service firewood permits will be available for purchase at Forest Service offices beginning April 1. The annual permit allows firewood cutting through March 31, 2014.

The cost of a firewood permit from the Beaverhead-Deerlodge National Forest is $20 for a minimum purchase of four cords. Additional cords may be purchased for $5 per cord up to a total of 12 cords per individual per year.

A cord is the amount of tightly piled wood in a stack four feet high by four feet wide by eight feet long.

The permit allows woodcutters to remove downed timber or to cut down standing dead trees under most conditions in the national forests and grasslands in Montana, northern Idaho, and parts of North and South Dakota, and on lands administered by the Bureau of Land Management in Montana and northern Idaho.

A lot of the really bad fires in SoCal aren't even forests...they are brush.

 

[mike2810]

There is fire dependent and fire independent ecosystems. In fire independent ecosystems wildfire does not play a major role it its health and if not needed.

The problem faced in some independent ecosystems is exotics have been introduced. In many cases the exotics out compete the indigenous vegetation. The exotics are mostly fire dependent. There spread is taking independent system to fire dependent based on the exotics.

Example: the spread of cheatgrass or red brome in the west. The spread of salt cedar in the west. Both of these are not native to the Sonoran Desert in the Southwest. Because of their spread the desert now burns. When it does it kills off much of the native vegetation.

In fire dependent ecosystems one needs to look at historical natural fuel loads. Take the Ponderosa Pine Forest. In a more natural state the forest is very open. Fire was mostly low intensity burning through a grass/brush understory. In places clearing out some PP seedlings. Today the PP forest in many areas is overstocked. We have stand replacement fires.

Bottom line. Wildfires are not good in call cases.

 

[Galactic Spin]

FACT.

New large fires burning in Oregon, close section of Pacific Crest Trail


The planet has been reshaped many times. Personally I'm rooting for the super volcanoes and giant meteor.

Until then, lightning and fire will cleanse the forest. as it has for millions of years. whoopty doo.

Just so painfully stunted and narrow.

Yes, and rotting teeth has always been natural.

Some fires are natural, and some are started by humans and exacerbated by human activity.

Your post also requires total suspension of humanism and of empathy for humans.

Go find someone who lost everything to a fire made worse by historic drought and heat and try out your little rant. Let us know if you get halfway through it before getting a close up view of the curb.

 

[Deuce]

Nihilism is boring.

 

[Glitch]

You are wrong.

The National Forest Service does not prohibit people from collecting dead trees. Maybe in some particular forests. But not everywhere.

From their website:

https://www.fs.usda.gov/visit/know-before-you-go/tree-cutting

No National Forest Service permits have ever been issued in the State of Alaska, and none ever will. When the National Forest Service attempts one of their "prescribed burns" they end up burning ten times more than they intended, often causing damage to private property. Their last prescribed burn was to cover 50 acres on the Kenai Peninsula. Instead, more than 950 acres burned, destroying five homes.