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Feinstein files bill banning “bump-fire stocks” and trigger cranks

Visbek said:
Yet again, your expectations are way out of line.

Once the police secured the room, they had to lock it down tight, to ensure proper maintenance of the evidence.

Part of that process is inspecting the weapons, figuring which if any have bump fire stocks, which if any have full auto conversions, which if any were built as full auto, and so forth. Then they have to figure out which weapons were actually fired.

And while all this is going on, the police still have to make sure there weren't additional shooters, help the wounded, shut down the Strip.... I.e. the police are busy actuallly helping people and ensuring security to satisfy your thirst for more information. The early reports were most likely an officer leaking it to the press, based on a quick look.

I realize "CSI" is set in Las Vegas, but it's not real. It takes days, not minutes or hours, to verify this kind information and release it to the public.
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So what should take 5 minutes to figure out we give them an hour....because they are busy....and they should do that before they talk to reporters.

What happened here is not acceptable, as soon as the 2 number was running around those in the now should have fixed the misinformation, not way later.

If 12 is even the right number, see we dont know, information so far has been so shoddy not much is trustworthy, just like the government in general.
 
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ludin said:
Well you need to go look it up.

You are legally able to buy a full automatic weapon.
it has to be made before 1986 it requires a class 3 dealer to transfer the weapon.
it requires an 8 month background check by the ATF but if you have the 10-15k to buy one
you can.
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No, I don't. I'm not interested in one. You asked, I answered.
 
Goshin said:
Seriously doubt it will get any traction.

Now tbh, it wouldn't actually bother me much if bump-fire and cranks were put in the same category as other Class III autofiring stuff. I doubt it would actually prove any significant impediment to mass murders, but tbh I was surprised, the first time I learned of them, that they weren't under Class III stuff.

This is the first time tmk that bumpfire was used in a crime, let alone a mass murder, and absent the special conditions (he had a carefully chosen position and was using bipods to stabilize the weapons) I doubt it would have been any more effective than ordinary semi-auto box-fed rifles like the Ruger Ranch 223.


Its a bit like closing the barn door long after the horses have run off. There are probably a million of these things out there and as a stock/accessory I doubt they're registered, so they are going to be in circulation for a very, very long time. As in, maybe 50-100 years before they all get worn out and useless.


But no surprise Pelosi would throw something out there, whether it will stick or not, or do any good or not, I don't think she knows or cares.
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Yea I agree. I don't see the need either.
 
Chillfolks said:
Republicans should attach a national Voter ID requirement to her bill. I can take or leave the bump stock but really like the idea of a national voter ID law. Make Democrats pass voter ID If They want to outlaw bump stocks
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Wrong direction. The Republicans should attach a bump stock ban to the Hearing Protection Act.
 
Maybe this is part of the drive to attach the R party to that Terrorist Organization known as the NRA "We tried to save you good people and of course you need our help and Of Course we are here for you...WE WILL SAVE YOU!...but those R's boy, you know how evil they are!".

No doubt the White Rural folks who have been leaving the party in droves will take note.
 
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zsu2357 said:
They kept reporting machine guns.
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No, what they said was "it sounded like automatic fire." I haven't seen any reports claiming the police found machine guns.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
So what should take 5 minutes to figure out we give them an hour....because they are busy....and they should do that before they talk to reporters.
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It would take 5 minutes, if the entire city wasn't on high alert, and the room wasn't a crime scene, and the rifles weren't evidence in the worst mass shooting in US history, and so on.

One cop telling a reporter "I saw a couple of AR-15s with a bump fire stock" probably didn't take a lot of time. And it's the kind of thing an officer might leak because people like you demand maximum information as early as possible.


What happened here is not acceptable, as soon as the 2 number was running around those in the now should have fixed the misinformation, not way later.
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Or, instead of chasing every single rumor flying about (and there are a lot of them), what they do is talk to the media and say "this is what we know."


If 12 is even the right number, see we dont know, information so far has been so shoddy not much is trustworthy, just like the government in general.
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So basically, this has nothing to do with actual LVMPD conduct. Thanks for the sour persimmons.
 
Chillfolks said:
Republicans should attach a national Voter ID requirement to her bill. I can take or leave the bump stock but really like the idea of a national voter ID law. Make Democrats pass voter ID If They want to outlaw bump stocks
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Put repealing Obamacare on it while we are at it.
 
calamity said:
Good. I vote for 20 years in jail with no parole for anyone who manufactures, sells, or buys conversion kits, plus ass in anyone who gives instruction to others on how to convert guns to full auto. Hell, **** that. I vote death penalty.
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So rubber bands are now contraband?
 
MaggieD said:
Now they’re actually doing something. I would support that in. NY Minute.
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Can't agree with that. Sure I could bump fire all day or use Freakensteins crank and hit the broadside of a barn all day(even standing outside).
The same could be said of the Vegas shooting.You got a weirdo shooting down at a large crowd 1200 , or so feet away you don't need any accuracy.
Ban that what will the next ban be? And count on it. Our illustrious CA. sen. is out to say I told you so and she/it see's her chance as a lot of them.
 
holbritter said:
I'm not engaging in anything. I have always felt that way for years. IMO, there is no reason why you need an automatic weapon.
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They(automatic weapons) are heavily regulated. No automatic weapon was used. Bumpfire is not automatic and the talking heads can say all they want,but it won't change it all it does is hype up the anti gun crowd.
 
zsu2357 said:
Can't agree with that. Sure I could bump fire all day or use Freakensteins crank and hit the broadside of a barn all day(even standing outside).
The same could be said of the Vegas shooting.You got a weirdo shooting down at a large crowd 1200 , or so feet away you don't need any accuracy.
Ban that what will the next ban be? And count on it. Our illustrious CA. sen. is out to say I told you so and she/it see's her chance as a lot of them.
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Ive since learned that one can use a belt loop to rapid fire. There’s no easy answer. Although using a belt loop would probably mean one’s pants caught on fire rather quickly.

I’ve always said we should focus on mental health, educating the populace to report threatening behavior, and giving them a real avenue to report and get immediate help. Perhaps even with a reward. I also think threatening words ought to earn a person a 72-hour hold in a psych ward and monitoring weekly for thirty days after by a psychiatrist, psychologist or specially trained paraprofessional. And an automatic revocation of all gun permits, as well ask an automatic search warrant to find and remove all weapons.

If I were queen, I’d also make aiding and abetting a conspiracy charge with serious time awarded.

The old adage, “The definition Of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result,” would seem to apply to gun laws.

Sigh.
 
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calamity said:
Good. I vote for 20 years in jail with no parole for anyone who manufactures, sells, or buys conversion kits, plus ass in anyone who gives instruction to others on how to convert guns to full auto. Hell, **** that. I vote death penalty.
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Not only do you want to violate the 2nd Amendment, you want to violate the 1st Amendment.

https://www.bevfitchett.us/army-ar15-car15-m16-rifle/spring-vdu.html

Do you STILL wonder why the idiotic, two-road Liberal agenda is crumbling into irrelevance?
 
Hawkeye10 said:
Correct me if I am wrong but five minutes in the room is all it takes to know how many bump stocks there are...right?

There is no excuse for multiple numbers, we should get the right number, and we should know this truth in hours not days.

This kind of shoddy work as we see here is now pervasive in America, and it is not good for us.

We need to do better.
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Hell you saw the investigation of Sandy Hook. That was slip shod from the git go.
 
calamity said:
Bump-stocks are not protected by the 2nd Amendment. And teaching people to make weapons of mass destruction isn't protected by the 1st.
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Publications on the innerworkings of a firearm are absolutely protected by the 1st Amendment.
 
calamity said:
Bump-stocks are not protected by the 2nd Amendment. And teaching people to make weapons of mass destruction isn't protected by the 1st.
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A bump stock isn't a weapon of mass destruction.
 
A bumpstock ban might make some feel really good, but the problem, as the rubber band post points out, is that they are ridiculously easy to make.

Just need a spring and a plate at the end of the rifle butt, and hold your trigger finger in place after the first squeeze.

In the end it wouldn't be any more effective, as most other ill-through out, in the heat of the moment, policy decisions.

Especially so when you consider that mass shootings, just as this one, are very rare, compared to all the other gun homicides. Just think of Chicago and their gun ban, and how effective that is.

Also interesting to note that the highest incidents of gun shootings are the large cities, especially in their poorer areas, typically Democrat controlled, again such as Chicago. Maybe left should worry more about those areas first?
 
Unitedwestand13 said:
But it is capable of turning semi-auto firearms into fully automatic weapons
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More accurate to call it 'simulate' an automatic weapon. Even with a bump stock, the weapon isn't really an automatic weapon.
There's a very specific definition for an automatic weapon, and a bump stock isn't it.
 
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