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Feds: No more education, legal services for immigrant kids

Checkerboard Strangler said:
Agencies that take people into custody ARE REQUIRED to attend to their basic human needs. It doesn't even matter if those persons are citizens or not, because once you take someone into custody, it is C-U-S-T-O-D-Y and the definition of that word doesn't just mean "imprisonment", it also means "the protective care or guardianship of someone or something".

That agency is now RESPONSIBLE for their lives.

Now, unless you prefer that the United States transform itself into some tinhorn banana republic or some maniacal wasteland desert cult in the third world, we have responsibilities as set forth in the Constitution toward all persons.

It's okay if you want to say that you don't like that fact.
It's even okay if you want to say that you'd rather we did not have any responsibility toward persons in our custody.
Just don't say one more word about the Constitution, or even law and order, because you're not actually a fan of either one of those, certainly not the latter.
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It sounds like that is exactly what some people want - all in the name of making America great again.
 
humbolt said:
Nuance isn't required to identify fascists and anarchists.
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Ummm yes there is. Who protected the members of the first united methodist church in charlottesville from the fascists who were ready to terrorize them? Hint (it wasnt the police) That is objectively stupid but consequentialism does that to you.
 
bomberfox said:
Ummm yes there is. Who protected the members of the first united methodist church in charlottesville from the fascists who were ready to terrorize them? Antifa. That is objectively stupid but consequentialism does that to you.
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Ah. Useless information is nuamce for you.
 
americanwoman said:
If you hate America so much and our Constitution, I'd say to get out but there's a good chance you are not even here.
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You nailed it. Well done.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross"

And talk about wrapping it in the flag. Wow.
 
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americanwoman said:
Of course there is no money left, they spend an outrageous amount for the detentions, where the **** does all that money go??

Detention Of Immigrant Minors Violates Court Settlement, Advocates Say : NPR



Still, a third of $775 is roughly $258.33. You mean to tell me if you have 20 kids at one place you are spending $5,160 per day to care for those kids and can't provide recreational or education time? GTFO You can do all those things at a significantly lower price but hey then either someone isn't getting paid or it can't be used politically.

Edit to add: "Entered the migrant shelter business" Of course they ****ing did, it's a 220 million dollar business where they don't even have to provide basic things.
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Have no fear, ICE is taking steps to ensure that those incarcerations are being conducted as inexpensively as possible.

DHS watchdog finds 'egregious violations' at ICE immigrant detention facilities
 
Crystal said:
What all would you like to see the 50% of tax paying Americans provide to these children of illegals? Maybe the American taxpayer should pay triple what they are paying to provide for them. Make their own children do without so illegals can be provided for. Liberals think American’s pockets have no bottoms. They innocuously use the word government when in reality it is real live flesh and blood Americans who pay federal taxes who are slaving to meet the needs of illegals and it’s never enough is it?
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Once the people have made a claim for refugee status, they are NOT "illegals" until AFTER their claims have been adjudicated and rejected. Even then they are still not "illegals" until they have remained in the United States of America after an expulsion order has been made.

You do know that it is NOT ILLEGAL to make a claim for asylum in the United States of America, don't you?
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Once the people have made a claim for refugee status, they are NOT "illegals" until AFTER their claims have been adjudicated and rejected. Even then they are still not "illegals" until they have remained in the United States of America after an expulsion order has been made.

You do know that it is NOT ILLEGAL to make a claim for asylum in the United States of America, don't you?
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That’s a loophole. If they were true refugees they would claim the status in the first country they came to. So you can stop repeating that falsehood. They are illegals and they are illegally crossing our borders.
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Once the people have made a claim for refugee status, they are NOT "illegals" until AFTER their claims have been adjudicated and rejected. Even then they are still not "illegals" until they have remained in the United States of America after an expulsion order has been made.

You do know that it is NOT ILLEGAL to make a claim for asylum in the United States of America, don't you?
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It should be if one has entered the US without permission prior to making that claim. Just as one cannot enter a rental unit and then demand to be given a lease, those who enter uninvited first and seek permission to remain later should be rejected.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
It should be if one has entered the US without permission prior to making that claim. Just as one cannot enter a rental unit and then demand to be given a lease, those who enter uninvited first and seek permission to remain later should be rejected.
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Yes, the proper way is to go to a consulate and apply. Not hook up with some damn Coyote to smuggle your ass in.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
What puzzles me most about the midwestern heartlanders is they seem to have voluntarily dumbed themselves down.
Twenty years ago they NEVER would have allowed themselves to be taken in by the very personification of the very thing they pride themselves on being able to stop from a distance, a FAST TALKING CITY SLICKER CON MAN FROM NEW YORK.

They can't even see through to the fact that the people in the very town he calls his refuse to support him.
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Interesting observations.

If the Democrats hadn't done something similar - but far worse - with Hillary, you might have a square to spare.

Was Jesus betrayed by His own people? Are you suggesting that Trump is Jesus-like?

Personally, I see him as New Zombie Hitler (Trump, not Jesus), but to each their own...
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
HAHAHAHAHA :lamo

Do you actually really seriously believe that some magic wand is now going to CUT that $220 million dollar budget and that Comprehensive Health Services is suddenly going to be given LESS MONEY?

Oh sure... :lamo

I guarantee you if even one red cent is cut from Comprehensive's coffers, the sound you hear next will be the equivalent of tossing an M-80 firecracker into a pigsty at 4:00 AM.

Now, as American Woman SAID: "You mean to tell me if you have 20 kids at one place you are spending $5,160 per day to care for those kids and can't provide recreational or education time?"



Someone's clearly using that taxpayer money to buy a Lambo.
And you clearly don't have any problem with that.
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20 kids means that you have to rent (preferably from a company that you own) the facilities that you use to house them (at $500/m/person that would mean that a reasonable rent would be around $500/day) [total so far $500/day], and you have to provide guards (preferably from a company that you own) to ensure that they stay there (at $100/shift/guard and with 10 guards per shift a reasonable contract fee would be around $3,000/day) [total so far $3,500/day] and you have to provide food (preferably from company that you own) for them (and at $30/day/person that would work out to around $30/day) [total so far $3,530/day], and you would have to provide support (cooking and cleaning) staff (preferably from a company that you own) for the facility (and at $100/day for two shifts per day and using around 10 people that works out to around $2,000/day) [total so far $5,530/day] you can see that those public spirited private enterprise companies are actually losing around $370/day on each person that is incarcerated.

At least that's what the companies' books are likely to be showing for tax purposes.
 
Crystal said:
Why are Americans working to provide for illegals? Doyathink?
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Agreed.

It would be much cheaper to simply build chain-link fenced (topped with barbed wire) compounds and herd then all into them. Build the compounds right on the US/Mexican border and leave the gates that lead from the compounds into Mexico unlocked. The rapists, murderers, drug smugglers, and gang-bangers can then decide whether they want to starve or go back to Mexico.

After all, isn't that what American stands for?
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
(A) Because some are illegals and must be processed and deported but in the meantime they are still entitled to basic human necessities, at least until they are in fact deported.

(B) Because still others are refugees applying for asylum, and despite the fact that they have a less than average chance of being approved (we can't save everyone - quotas are quotas) in the meantime, as human beings, they are entitled to basic human necessities.

Meanwhile, I don't have a problem with Donald Trump pressuring Mexico to do more to offset costs.
I think the tariff idea is spectacularly stupid but who knows, maybe he will think for himself instead of letting Stephen Miller do the thinking for him, and he might just come up with a better idea. It's doubtful but I am willing to give him a chance one more time.

But while they're tussling back and forth, these are still human beings and as such, a civilized nation is required to do what civilized nations are required to do.

And you still haven't responded to the likelihood that the CEO of Comprehensive seems to be using a lot of that taxpayer money for luxuries instead of plunking a few books, pencils and other basic teaching materials and some toilet paper into every tent.
250 to 775 bucks a day per kid, and they claim that they can't afford it?

Just how much of a partisan hack does one have to be to sit there in denial, knowing what you now know?
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If you and Mr. Trump could agree on one minor point, then possibly some progress could be made?

Where do you differ?

You think that those "illegals" are "human beings" and Mr. Trump thinks that they are "animals".
 
What if...? said:
The weather is much nicer than elsewhere too, which is part of the reason there are so many homeless here

That and real estate "speculation".

But don't let that temper your anti-liberal screed.
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These are factors, as are zoning restrictions, a tidal wave of illegals, land scarcity, etc.
 
HenryChinaski said:
They are not, though they do have a habit of trash talking and putting down places that they more than likely have never been and people that they've never met.
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This comment strikes me as ironic and unprovable...
 
TU Curmudgeon said:
Agreed.

It would be much cheaper to simply build chain-link fenced (topped with barbed wire) compounds and herd then all into them. Build the compounds right on the US/Mexican border and leave the gates that lead from the compounds into Mexico unlocked. The rapists, murderers, drug smugglers, and gang-bangers can then decide whether they want to starve or go back to Mexico.

After all, isn't that what American stands for?
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Or, we could send them to you since you know exactly how to do it.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
That's the Horseshoe Theory.
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Horseshoe theory is long ago debunked garbage; no rational person embraces it.

That illiberals are so fond of it demonstrates their conservative nature, and their desire to smear and silence the left.
 
JustHanging said:
From what I understand, this problem is largely due to Trump's border policies. As well, he is the POTUS, and didn't a famous POTUS say: "The Buck Stops Here"?
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That is no longer operative. Today's operative "Trump Version" is "The buck stops in my pocket, the blame goes to anyone I can think of.".

JustHanging said:
To help these children requires the smallest drop in the financial bucket of a very wealthy nation. If this was Canada, I would be pissed right off if my government wasn't helping them.
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Did you know that one of the REALLY major forces behind the enactment of child labour laws (in the UK) was the RSPCA? Now why would the Royal Society for the Protection of Animals get involved? Because the courts/government had taken the position that children didn't deserve the same protections as human beings (read as "adult males").

Maybe someone should alert the ASPCA to the way that the creatures that Mr. Trump has described as "animals" are being treated.
 
Crystal said:
I asked you what the democrats are doing now
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The bidding of the plutocracy mostly.

Also: whining, bitching, moaning, pointing fingers, playing cynical games, distracting, etc.

What they're NOT doing?

Cleaning up their sh*th*le party.
 
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