Federal Official Resigns in Protest of Trump Tinkering With Civil Service

[NWRatCon]

Oh please. Trump IS the swamp and his followers are too blind to realize it.

The Swamp That Trump Built (Published 2020)

A businessman-president transplanted favor-seeking in Washington to his family’s hotels and resorts — and earned millions as a gatekeeper to his own administration.

www.nytimes.com

My friend, you give them too much credit. They are fully aware of the corruption. They are not blind to it; they embrace it.

 

[Mycroft]

I think Dr. Sanders understands better than you.

Had Barrack Obama signed this EO, you would be screaming from the highest hilltop that he wants to purge conservatives from the government who aren't personally beholden to him -- and that's exactly the purpose of this EO, purging anyone who has integrity to not bow down to Trump's corruption and malfeasants.

There weren't conservatives going behind Obama's back in the Obama administration. There weren't any making shit up about him, trying to get him impeached. There weren't any leaking everything from lies to classified information to the media.

So no...if Obama had signed this EO I wouldn't be screaming at all. I would be commending him like I am commending Trump.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Dr. Sanders doesn't understand that people are hired to do their jobs...not let their own politics and personal feelings interfere with doing their jobs.

Seriously, folks...it is downright stupid to expect that someone can get themselves hired so they can obstruct the work their employer wants to get done...and that the employer must continue to pay them and cannot fire them while the obstruction is going on.

The sooner people like Dr. Sanders resign the better.

It is because concentration camp commanders and lower ranking soldiers didn't "let their personal feelings interfere with doing their jobs" that many millions of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies were starved, tortured and murdered during WW2.

The naïve amongst us actually believe Trump is motivated by good ethical intentions, decent benevolent principles, just as many Hitler devotees did in Germany in 1933, they like you, were fooled, hoodwinked, lied to and they lapped it up until they were forced to admit defeat, suffer utter destruction.

You deserve the same end that befell them, you not Trump are the real danger, the enablers of bigotry, racism, violence, depravity, let us pray that you like Trump suffer defeat like nothing ever seen before in this country.

 

[Lutherf]

Federal Official Resigns in Protest of Trump Tinkering With Civil Service

With his wealth of experience and Trump’s order guiding him, Sanders explained that his decision to resign was all but a foregone conclusion.

“It is clear that its stated purpose notwithstanding, the Executive Order is nothing more than a smokescreen for what is clearly an attempt to require the political loyalty of those who advise the President, or failing that, to enable their removal with little if any due process,” he wrote. “I simply cannot be part of an Administration that seeks to do so…to replace apolitical expertise with political obeisance. Career Federal employees are legally and duty- bound to be nonpartisan; they take an oath to preserve and protect our Constitution and the rule of law…not to be loyal to a particular President or Administration.”
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Dr. Ronald Sanders resigned as head of the Federal Salary commission because Trump issued an Executive Order that would mean federal employees could be fired if they weren’t loyal to the president.

This is scary for a democracy to have the body of federal employees loyal to a president and not the constitution.

The elected officials are the ones that take an oath of office. The bureaucrats are there to support said officials or, if they disagree with policies, resign. If they believe that a certain order is unconstitutional they can and should raise that concern. If Dr Sanders doesn't like the way Trump is doing things he can either quit or suck it up until the next election comes around.

Actually, I suppose a third option would be to throw a hissy fit and run to the press in hope that doing so changes the political winds of the nation but, as a rule that isn't the way things work out. Maybe, if the resignation gets enough headline, Sanders can get a book deal out of this or, like that "anonymous" guy, get a gig with CNN.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

The elected officials are the ones that take an oath of office. The bureaucrats are there to support said officials or, if they disagree with policies, resign. If they believe that a certain order is unconstitutional they can and should raise that concern. If Dr Sanders doesn't like the way Trump is doing things he can either quit or suck it up until the next election comes around.

Actually, I suppose a third option would be to throw a hissy fit and run to the press in hope that doing so changes the political winds of the nation but, as a rule that isn't the way things work out. Maybe, if the resignation gets enough headline, Sanders can get a book deal out of this or, like that "anonymous" guy, get a gig with CNN.

Read this:

Sanders, a lifelong Republican and human resources professional who has spent decades in different roles across the federal government, wrote to McEntee that career federal employees “take an oath to preserve and protect our Constitution and the rule of law … not to be loyal to a particular President or Administration.”

From here.

 

[Lutherf]

Read this:



From here.

Did Sanders cite anything unconstitutional about what Trump's order required? If he wasn't defending the Constitution then all Sanders was doing was complaining.

 

[Mycroft]

It is because concentration camp commanders and lower ranking soldiers didn't "let their personal feelings interfere with doing their jobs" that many millions of Jews, Serbs, Gypsies were starved, tortured and murdered during WW2.

The naïve amongst us actually believe Trump is motivated by good ethical intentions, decent benevolent principles, just as many Hitler devotees did in Germany in 1933, they like you, were fooled, hoodwinked, lied to and they lapped it up until they were forced to admit defeat, suffer utter destruction.

You deserve the same end that befell them, you not Trump are the real danger, the enablers of bigotry, racism, violence, depravity, let us pray that you like Trump suffer defeat like nothing ever seen before in this country.

Take your Nazi Card and shove it up your ass.

Here's an example of why we need to be able to fire government employees who work against the government.

It Was a Hoax: "Anonymous" Author of NY Times 'Resistance' Op-Ed Revealed - Low Level DHS Official Who Donated to Barack Obama

Miles Taylor It was all a hoax! The New York Times ran an op-ed by an “Anonymous” author more than two years ago described as a senior member of the Trump Administration who was covertly working to sabotage the President. The author of the NY Times ‘resistance’ op-ed also penned an anti-Trump...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This was a low-level flunky who came out with a bunch of bullshit and a Trump hating newsrag gave him a voice and said he was a "high-level" official. It was ALL bullshit. The guy (and the newsrag) lied about the whole thing. He deserves to be fired from his government job.

 

[George50]

Good, one less swamp creature to deal with.

The creature that turned the swamp into a cesspool will be gone on January 20, 2021.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Did Sanders cite anything unconstitutional about what Trump's order required? If he wasn't defending the Constitution then all Sanders was doing was complaining.

Even if he did would you believe him?

What is and is not "constitutional" is a matter of personal opinion.

His position is that the change serves to empower the president and weaken the position of employees.

Reducing employees ability to resist unfair dismissal, to increase the ability of the president to see people removed simply for their political stance.

I don't see why someone is surprised that those being negatively impacted would resist such moves, if something impacts your quality of life do you not think it right you have a right to resist?

A simple example if Fauci, Trump today cannot dismiss Fauci but he'd dearly like to and perhaps this change or one like it would enable him to do that.

If Trump fired Fauci he'd replace him with someone loyal to Trump rather than loyal to the cause which is healthcare, this person would lie about masks, lie about vaccines, lie about risks, and contribute to the death toll as Trump has already done himself.

This is all Trump knows how to do, his only "management tool" is firing people who disagree with him.

The more easily Trump can fire important people like this the more easily he can abuse the power he has.

I've honestly never encountered an truly intelligent person who supports Trump's reelection, if you think you are that then please do continue, let me hear what you have to say.

 

[post]

Take your Nazi Card and shove it up your ass.

Here's an example of why we need to be able to fire government employees who work against the government.

It Was a Hoax: "Anonymous" Author of NY Times 'Resistance' Op-Ed Revealed - Low Level DHS Official Who Donated to Barack Obama

Miles Taylor It was all a hoax! The New York Times ran an op-ed by an “Anonymous” author more than two years ago described as a senior member of the Trump Administration who was covertly working to sabotage the President. The author of the NY Times ‘resistance’ op-ed also penned an anti-Trump...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This was a low-level flunky who came out with a bunch of bullshit and a Trump hating newsrag gave him a voice and said he was a "high-level" official. It was ALL bullshit. The guy (and the newsrag) lied about the whole thing. He deserves to be fired from his government job.

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LOL ! Fat lady is warmin' up her pipes. She'll sing next Tuesday night, Trump will finish wrecking everything he can, for the rest of his life, with you singing his praises!

 

[Mycroft]

LOL ! Fat lady is warmin' up her pipes. She'll sing next Tuesday night, Trump will finish wrecking everything he can, for the rest of his life, with you singing his praises!

Yes...that fat lady is singing the demise of Creepy, Crooked, Corrupt Uncle Joe and his Socialist leader, Kamala.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Take your Nazi Card and shove it up your ass.

Why must Trump supporters become so emotional when discussing politics.

Here's an example of why we need to be able to fire government employees who work against the government.

It Was a Hoax: "Anonymous" Author of NY Times 'Resistance' Op-Ed Revealed - Low Level DHS Official Who Donated to Barack Obama

Miles Taylor It was all a hoax! The New York Times ran an op-ed by an “Anonymous” author more than two years ago described as a senior member of the Trump Administration who was covertly working to sabotage the President. The author of the NY Times ‘resistance’ op-ed also penned an anti-Trump...

www.thegatewaypundit.com

This was a low-level flunky who came out with a bunch of bullshit and a Trump hating newsrag gave him a voice and said he was a "high-level" official. It was ALL bullshit. The guy (and the newsrag) lied about the whole thing. He deserves to be fired from his government job.

Perhaps, but why do you think should he be fired?

 

[George50]

Dr. Sanders doesn't understand that people are hired to do their jobs...not let their own politics and personal feelings interfere with doing their jobs.

Seriously, folks...it is downright stupid to expect that someone can get themselves hired so they can obstruct the work their employer wants to get done...and that the employer must continue to pay them and cannot fire them while the obstruction is going on.

The sooner people like Dr. Sanders resign the better.

Trump is not their employer. American citizens are. We pay their salaries. Their oath is to the constitution, not Trump.

Their job is to support their agency’s mission relative to the program they are working on. Congress funds these agency/programs with a particular purpose in mind. It is not the job of a president to direct personnel to subvert the purpose of the program Congress has authorized with his own personal agenda which is what Trump has often tried to do.


From the White House website, note that Congress writes the laws, the Executive branch carries them out:

“The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acts as head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet. The Vice President is also part of the Executive Branch, ready to assume the Presidency should the need arise.

The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.”

The Executive Branch - The White House

From the President, to the Vice President, to the Cabinet, learn more about the Executive Branch of the government of the United States.

www.whitehouse.gov

 

[RaleBulgarian]

Federal Official Resigns in Protest of Trump Tinkering With Civil Service

With his wealth of experience and Trump’s order guiding him, Sanders explained that his decision to resign was all but a foregone conclusion.

“It is clear that its stated purpose notwithstanding, the Executive Order is nothing more than a smokescreen for what is clearly an attempt to require the political loyalty of those who advise the President, or failing that, to enable their removal with little if any due process,” he wrote. “I simply cannot be part of an Administration that seeks to do so…to replace apolitical expertise with political obeisance. Career Federal employees are legally and duty- bound to be nonpartisan; they take an oath to preserve and protect our Constitution and the rule of law…not to be loyal to a particular President or Administration.”
===========
Dr. Ronald Sanders resigned as head of the Federal Salary commission because Trump issued an Executive Order that would mean federal employees could be fired if they weren’t loyal to the president.

This is scary for a democracy to have the body of federal employees loyal to a president and not the constitution.

While I respect Dr. Sanders’ integrity, I don’t understand why he didn’t simply refuse to play along and then publicly fight any attempt to remove him, including suing.

He could have kept records of inappropriate direction, violations of rules/regs, and any other EEO violations, and made a messy, embarrassing public stink when Trump ousted him.

That would’ve made more of an impact than quitting in protest.

My .02

 

[Mycroft]

Trump is not their employer. American citizens are. We pay their salaries. Their oath is to the constitution, not Trump.

Their job is to support their agency’s mission relative to the program they are working on. Congress funds these agency/programs with a particular purpose in mind. It is not the job of a president to direct personnel to subvert the purpose of the program Congress has authorized with his own personal agenda which is what Trump has often tried to do.


From the White House website, note that Congress writes the laws, the Executive branch carries them out:

“The power of the Executive Branch is vested in the President of the United States, who also acts as head of state and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces. The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet. The Vice President is also part of the Executive Branch, ready to assume the Presidency should the need arise.

The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.”

The Executive Branch - The White House

From the President, to the Vice President, to the Cabinet, learn more about the Executive Branch of the government of the United States.

www.whitehouse.gov

That low-level flunky doesn't decide policy...he administers it. If he lets his personal political feelings interfere with his superior's directions or his duties, he needs to be fired.

 

[George50]

That low-level flunky doesn't decide policy...he administers it. If he lets his personal political feelings interfere with his superior's directions or his duties, he needs to be fired.

Trump doesn’t get to d

That low-level flunky doesn't decide policy...he administers it. If he lets his personal political feelings interfere with his superior's directions or his duties, he needs to be fired.

I could say the same thing about Trump. Many of his actions fly in the face of Congress and the courts. That’s why people are speaking out and rightly so. Trump doesn’t decide policy...he administers it. We do not have a monarchy, Trump had said his power is absolute, it is not. Congress sets the policy...the president is supposed to administer it.

 

[Lutherf]

Trump doesn’t get to d

I could say the same thing about Trump. Many of his actions fly in the face of Congress and the courts. That’s why people are speaking out and rightly so. Trump doesn’t decide policy...he administers it. We do not have a monarchy, Trump had said his power is absolute, it is not. Congress sets the policy...the president is supposed to administer it.

The president DOES NOT work for congress. The Executive branch has a RESPONSIBILITY to counter abuses by either the Legislative or Judicial branches. Those branches, likewise, have a RESPONSIBILITY to be a check on the other branches. The idea that congress should be a rubber stamp for the executive or that the courts should uphold all legislation passed by congress is anathema to the preservation of the Republic.

 

[joko104]

Presidential advisors have no discharge without just cause union protection?

SCREW THAT! And I was a union steward and very poor union. The president should be able to fire any advisor at any time for any or no reason whatsoever.

Are Congressional aids protected by an employee's union?

 

[Mycroft]

Trump doesn’t get to d

I could say the same thing about Trump. Many of his actions fly in the face of Congress and the courts. That’s why people are speaking out and rightly so. Trump doesn’t decide policy...he administers it. We do not have a monarchy, Trump had said his power is absolute, it is not. Congress sets the policy...the president is supposed to administer it.

Trump is the President. He was elected. He DOES decide policy. That's his job as President. It has nothing to do with "monarchy" or "power". It has everything to do with the Constitution. And nothing in the Constitution says anything about Congress setting policy. They legislate.

If you don't know this, I have to wonder about your education...or if you are even an American.

 

[George50]

The president DOES NOT work for congress. The Executive branch has a RESPONSIBILITY to counter abuses by either the Legislative or Judicial branches. Those branches, likewise, have a RESPONSIBILITY to be a check on the other branches. The idea that congress should be a rubber stamp for the executive or that the courts should uphold all legislation passed by congress is anathema to the preservation of the Republic.

Sorry, but you don’t understand how our government is supposed to work. From the White House website:

The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet.
and
The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.

Nowhere is it written that the President has the responsibility to counter Legislative abuses unless you mean a veto which of course can be overridden by Congress. We are not talking about vetos here.

 

[George50]

Trump is the President. He was elected. He DOES decide policy. That's his job as President. It has nothing to do with "monarchy" or "power". It has everything to do with the Constitution. And nothing in the Constitution says anything about Congress setting policy. They legislate.

If you don't know this, I have to wonder about your education...or if you are even an American.

From the White House website:

The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet.
and
The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.

In other words Congress decides policy (laws) the President administers it. In the process of administration there is some leeway for interpretation but that is quite limited.

If you don't know this, I have to wonder about your education...or if you are even an American.

 

[Mycroft]

From the White House website:

The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress and, to that end, appoints the heads of the federal agencies, including the Cabinet.
and
The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.

In other words Congress decides policy (laws) the President administers it. In the process of administration there is some leeway for interpretation but that is quite limited.

If you don't know this, I have to wonder about your education...or if you are even an American.

"The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress"

In other words, all Congress does is write laws...and the President implements and enforces those laws. But that's not ALL the President does.

Seriously, dude...check the Constitution. The President does a LOT more than just implementing and enforcing laws. Hell, if that's all he did, he wouldn't need all the agencies that make up the executive branch.

 

[eohrnberger]

Dr. Sanders doesn't understand that people are hired to do their jobs...not let their own politics and personal feelings interfere with doing their jobs.

Seriously, folks...it is downright stupid to expect that someone can get themselves hired so they can obstruct the work their employer wants to get done...and that the employer must continue to pay them and cannot fire them while the obstruction is going on.

The sooner people like Dr. Sanders resign the better.

Exactly. The president is the head of the executive branch of the federal government, and civil servants are tasked with doing their jobs in support of that leadership. If they can't, for whatever reason, they are free to resign.

They are not free, however, to be what essentially becomes a insider saboteur in the executive branch of the government.

 

[George50]

"The President is responsible for implementing and enforcing the laws written by Congress"

In other words, all Congress does is write laws...and the President implements and enforces those laws. But that's not ALL the President does.

Seriously, dude...check the Constitution. The President does a LOT more than just implementing and enforcing laws. Hell, if that's all he did, he wouldn't need all the agencies that make up the executive branch.

All the agencies that make up the executive branch are working on programs that are established through laws enacted by Congress and funded by Congress on an ongoing basis as Congress sees fit.

Right off the White House website “The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.
These departments and agencies have missions and responsibilities as widely divergent as those of the Department of Defense and the Environmental Protection Agency, the Social Security Administration and the Securities and Exchange Commission.”

Perhaps you don’t think that the Executive Branch is an administrative branch of the government, but the White House certainly does. Well at least maybe everyone except the current president.

 

[Mycroft]

All the agencies that make up the executive branch are working on programs that are established through laws enacted by Congress and funded by Congress on an ongoing basis as Congress sees fit.

Right off the White House website “The Cabinet and independent federal agencies are responsible for the day-to-day enforcement and administration of federal laws.
These departments and agencies have missions and responsibilities as widely divergent as those of the Department of Defense and the Environmental Protection Agency, the Social Security Administration and the Securities and Exchange Commission.”

Perhaps you don’t think that the Executive Branch is an administrative branch of the government, but the White House certainly does. Well at least maybe everyone except the current president.

What do you think the State Department focuses on? Does Congress pass laws that tell them what countries to make agreements with? Did Congress pass a law that told the State Department to get Arab countries to normalize relations with Israel?

No...all that work was done at the order of the President...you know, the guy who sets policy.

I could go on...HHS, DHS, Commerce...they are work at the direction of the President. They implement HIS policy.