Federal Judge Reverses Alabama’s 'Noncitizen' Voter Purge That Caught Up Hundreds Of Real Citizens Federal law prohibits changing voter rolls less tha

[ClaraD]

You folks seem to be under the impression that the voting rolls are static; nobody moves, nobody dies, nobody becomes a naturalized citizen, nobody turns 18.

Its an ongoing process. The law doesn't require that the process freezes every two years at the beginning of August.

People move, but they have no right to remove anyone within 90 days because they often are wrong and you also can’t re register in those states within 90 days. That means they’d be denied the right to vote

 

[CaughtInThe]

You folks seem to be under the impression that the voting rolls are static; nobody moves, nobody dies, nobody becomes a naturalized citizen, nobody turns 18.

Its an ongoing process. The law doesn't require that the process freezes every two years at the beginning of August.

And they have years to verify everything and they're purposely waiting to less than 90 days before the election, which is illegal, so that it's confusing it creates chaos and some people won't have time to re-register.

They've done the math and have no problem breaking the law.

 

[Athanasius68]

People move, but they have no right to remove anyone within 90 days because they often are wrong and you also can’t re register in those states within 90 days. That means they’d be denied the right to vote

So-- a person can move to a new state within 90 days of a federal election and LAWFULLY vote in the old state? Are you trying to argue it is unlawful for a state to remove such people from the rolls?

Can they register to vote in the new state and lawfully vote there also?

 

[Athanasius68]

And they have years to verify everything and they're purposely waiting to less than 90 days before the election, which is illegal, so that it's confusing it creates chaos and some people won't have time to re-register.

They've done the math and have no problem breaking the law.

You keep saying "years to verify everything" but that keeps assuming the voting rolls are static, and that people move about; die; turn 18; in some sort of systemic way in order to keep the voting rolls constant.

Life doesn't really work that way.

 

[CaughtInThe]

You keep saying "years to verify everything" but that keeps assuming the voting rolls are static, and that people move about; die; turn 18; in some sort of systemic way in order to keep the voting rolls constant.

Life doesn't really work that way.

You keep ignoring the Federal law that says that Governors (in this case it seems to be only REPUBLICAN Governors) aren't allowed to kick YOU off the voter rolls less than 90 days before elections because it causes too much confusion and people don't always have time to 1) know it's happened and 2) reregister. Hell, a guy here on this very board got purged.

Now, since it's not sinking in I made a graph for you. I'll just use 4 year Presidential elections to keep it really, really simple for people who want to disenfranchise.

 

[BabaVoss]

We are unlikely to catch all the red state shenanigans that are currently in the works on the Felon’s behalf. Be vigilant.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Hey. Guys. Don't forget.



"But on Monday, three Republican-led states announced they are pulling out of ERIC — leaving questions about the future of a system that up until recently was a bipartisan success story, as well as questions about how these three states will maintain accurate voter lists without such a resource.

"[ERIC] is a godsend," Paul Pate, the GOP secretary of state of Iowa, told NPR in an interview last month."

 

[Athanasius68]

You keep ignoring the Federal law that says that Governors (in this case it seems to be only REPUBLICAN Governors) aren't allowed to kick YOU off the voter rolls less than 90 days before elections because it causes too much confusion and people don't always have time to 1) know it's happened and 2) reregister. Hell, a guy here on this very board got purged.

Now, since it's not sinking in I made a graph for you. I'll just use 4 year Presidential elections to keep it really, really simple for people who want to disenfranchise.



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The law doesn't actually say that nobody can be kicked off the rolls within 90 day of an election.

What it does say is that there can't be new programs and systems to do this.

And it's not even that clear, as the law specifically allows states to continue voter rolls maintenance programs right up through election day.

 

[CaughtInThe]

The law doesn't actually say that nobody can kicked off the rolls within 90 day election.

What it does say is that there can't be new programs and systems to do this.
And it's not even that clear, as the law specifically allows states to continue voter rolls maintenance programs right up through election day.

Which, of course, is why REPUBLICANS keep losing these cases in court.

LOL



"Alabama and other states covered by the federal law are not allowed to systematically remove names fewer than 90 days before a federal election."

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/27/nx-s1-5131578/alabama-noncitizen-voter-purge-lawsuit

 

[ClaraD]

So-- a person can move to a new state within 90 days of a federal election and LAWFULLY vote in the old state? Are you trying to argue it is unlawful for a state to remove such people from the rolls?

Can they register to vote in the new state and lawfully vote there also?

Neither is true. If they move they can’t vote in either state

 

[Athanasius68]

Which, of course, is why REPUBLICANS keep losing these cases in court.

LOL



"Alabama and other states covered by the federal law are not allowed to systematically remove names fewer than 90 days before a federal election."

https://www.npr.org/2024/09/27/nx-s1-5131578/alabama-noncitizen-voter-purge-lawsuit

Shrug.
As the article explains, the judge is permitting Alabama to continue removing people from the rolls, as long as its not part of that specific program he ruled upon.

The claim about the existence of a 'blanket' law about not allowing removing ineligible voters 90 days before an election is false. Such a law simply does not exist.

It is 'misinformation' to say otherwise. and it contributes to the spreading of false claims of 'voter suppression' and it undermines faith in the electoral system.

 

[Athanasius68]

Neither is true. If they move they can’t vote in either state

Well, no. Most states have same day voter registration.

 

[ClaraD]

Well, no. Most states have same day voter registration.

No most states don’t. Especially Alabama. Oct 21 is the last day

 

[Athanasius68]

No most states don’t. Especially Alabama. Oct 21 is the last day

Ok-- so those who move to Alabama on Oct 25 should be lawfully allowed to vote n the election of their previous state election where they had resided?

 

[CaughtInThe]

Shrug.
As the article explains, the judge is permitting Alabama to continue removing people from the rolls, as long as its not part of that specific program he ruled upon.

The claim about the existence of a 'blanket' law about not allowing removing ineligible voters 90 days before an election is false. Such a law simply does not exist.

It is 'misinformation' to say otherwise. and it contributes to the spreading of false claims of 'voter suppression' and it undermines faith in the electoral system.

I think you need to be purged like 3 days before the election.

 

[Athanasius68]

I think you need to be purged like 3 days before the election.

If I was unlawfully registered to vote, not sure what I could say.

What I do wonder is why, if I was unlawfully registered and that it was caught 3 days out, you would insist that I can vote.

 

[ClaraD]

If I was unlawfully registered to vote, not sure what I could say.

What I do wonder is why, if I was unlawfully registered and that it was caught 3 days out, you would insist that I can vote.

No one is saying someone can unlawfully vote or that they want them to. There are good reasons for the law prohibiting removal within 90 days.
Voting illegally can be and is prosecuted

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

You keep saying "years to verify everything" but that keeps assuming the voting rolls are static, and that people move about; die; turn 18; in some sort of systemic way in order to keep the voting rolls constant.

Life doesn't really work that way.

It doesn't?

WOW!

Someone should tell the voter registration people here because they routinely up date the lists of voters (and on a daily basis at that) so as to ensure (as much as practicable) that people who move, die, turn 18, become citizens, and the like are placed on the appropriate list of voters and/or removed from lists of voters that they ought not be on.

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

Well, no. Most states have same day voter registration.

30 out of 50 do NOT.

20 out of 50 is NOT "most" - REGARDLESS of what you learned at "Billy-Bob ('Bubba') Backwood's Elete Skool fer Reel Americun Kidz" (certified by Trump U and a wholly owned subsidiary of TM&TA Group).

 

[TU Curmudgeon]

If I was unlawfully registered to vote, not sure what I could say.

What I do wonder is why, if I was unlawfully registered and that it was caught 3 days out, you would insist that I can vote.

And if you were "incorrectly purged" and you only found out about it when you went to vote, shouldn't you be allowed to vote?

 

[uptower]

This is the exact reason why the SCOTUS ruling ending preclearance for these states was a horrible idea.

The state ignored settled black-letter law (no voting roll maintenance in the 90 days before Federal elections. Do you suppose the MAGA'ts will use this as an example of how the 2024 election was rigged?

Guaranteed

 

[CaughtInThe]

If I was unlawfully registered to vote, not sure what I could say.

Dude. That's the entire point. Some people are legally registered and still being purged. One guy on this very board.

But I still think you need to be purged even if you're legal (just getting caught up in the chaos of a last second purge).

That okay with you too?

 

[eohrnberger]

Federal Judge Reverses Alabama’s 'Noncitizen' Voter Purge That Caught Up Hundreds Of Real Citizens​

Even "real citizens" can and should be purged from voter rolls if they no longer meet the requirements to legally vote in their precinct, county or state. Allowing ballots to be sent out to people who no longer meet the requirements enables corrupt people to commit election fraud by collecting those ballots, filling them out as they see fit and submitting them to be counted.

Now...some people talk about that federal law that forbids purging voter rolls within 90 days of an election. I think that's a bad law.

Election officials are responsible for keeping their voter rolls clean and, as long as there are means in place...such as submitting a correct, legal registration even on election day...for voters to be able to legally vote, I think election officials should CONTINUE to keep their voter rolls clean...even up to the election day.

Agreed.

Keeping the voter rolls 'clean' made only far more difficult and expensive than it needs to be because Dems forced illegal and ineligible voters onto those voter rolls, i.e. US citizenship is not validated nor verified at voter registration, which causes illegal and ineligible voters to be on those voter rolls in the first place.

 

[Anthony60]

First, almost no one wants to commit voter fraud... its high risk/low reward endeavor. Its nonsensical for anyone to risk serious jail time just to make a single vote, which wouldn't affect the outcome. Why would anyone do that? This is why the Heritage Foundation database has only 1521 cases of such in 45 years (during which about 2billion votes were cast). Real voter fraud is about systematically SUPPRESSING the vote, which is what the state attempted to do here.

Second, this was about the state attempting to suppress the vote by a wholesale purge of the voters rolls, that likely was not fairly administered. It was going to remove legitimate voters (in choice districts) from the rolls without any time for them to remedy the situation. The states had plenty of time to clean up the database since the last election. They should have taken advantage of that window.

This was just hanky-panky and everyone here knows that.

There are people on the voter rolls that have self identified as non citizens.

 

[poweRob]

Republican voter sweeps remove legal voters by design. And then they just dismiss it as an "oops".