Federal judge blocks Trump administration from barring foreign student enrollment at Harvard

[ClaraD]

Noem already informed Harvard of the applicable laws and regulations.

And she was wrong thus why its blocked

 

[The AntiDonald]

well, it didn't take much effprt to realize what trump was going to do, and plan accordingly.

intelligent people plan for likely scenarios.

Right. It's not like he wasn't screaming retribution and revenge over and over on the campaign trail.

And the seals clapped.

 

[The AntiDonald]

You are taking a "response" and trying to turn back time to a point prior to the implementation of these policies/ex-actions and alluding to it as being "planned", as if all these groups knew ahead of time what Donny would specifically do before he took office. It is a conspiracy theory, but then, that is the environment your lot has created. From Q-anon to eating pets, it is all just one big bag of shit, and you just keep producing new bags of shit out of the crap Donny dumps. The creativity, the effort is astounding and bemusing. I will never understand how one gets this deep.

The reality is, those of us who read and believed Project 2025 knew exactly what he was going to do. You also had to believe Trump was a liar as he declared he had nothing to do with it. As of today, over 50% of P-2025 has been carried out with plenty more to come.

So, if one was paying attention, it would have been easy to prepare for Trump 2.0.

 

[Athanasius68]

Nope. He doesn’t have the power to violate the constitution, or the laws Congress passed. Congress passed the law specifying what documentation is required to be provided. Harvard provided it. DHS asked for information outside of what the law says Harvard has to provide. That requires a warrant. Harvard said as much. Trump then violated the constitution by attempting to revoke the students visas and harvards certification. He can’t do that, and he was slapped down in court. Again. Because he keeps violating the constitution. Why do you support such a lawless, anti American piece of shit?

Harvard saying it needs a warrant in order to release the information requested perhaps protects Harvard itself from legal jeopardy.
But it does not hamstring the government in its exercise of enforcing immigration law.

 

[rahl]

Harvard saying it needs a warrant in order to release the information requested perhaps protects Harvard itself from legal jeopardy.

And protects the students as well.

But it does not hamstring the government in its exercise of enforcing immigration law.

The government is violating immigration law. Trump doesn’t have the authority to arbitrarily revoke the student visas, nor remove Harvard’s certification.

 

[Gaius46]

Harvard saying it needs a warrant in order to release the information requested perhaps protects Harvard itself from legal jeopardy.
But it does not hamstring the government in its exercise of enforcing immigration law.

Assuming DHs actually has that authority government actions can't be arbitrary or capricious. Singling out Harvard because you don't like the fact that they pushed back would seem to be not only arbitrary but down right retaliatory.

 

[SavannahMann]

Noem already informed Harvard of the applicable laws and regulations.

Perhaps Noem should take a course on the Constitution. It turns out that Harvard has started a free online course on Government and the Constitution. Maybe then she can learn why calling the President Clown Prince Trump is not something that can be Prosecuted. She might even learn what Habeas Corpus is about.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

The reality is, those of us who read and believed Project 2025 knew exactly what he was going to do. You also had to believe Trump was a liar as he declared he had nothing to do with it. As of today, over 50% of P-2025 has been carried out with plenty more to come.

So, if one was paying attention, it would have been easy to prepare for Trump 2.0.

But the point that Mycroft makes, time and again, is that the left is operating on a grand conspiratorial design with Soros as a puppet master, it is a theme he uses a lot as I showed with the forum search. Sure, the left knew how Don acted in v1, and the P2025 gave outlines of what was coming, but his point was that the left is coming after the admin in a coordinated master plan. If Soros contributed monies to an NGO, automatically he controls that group and any other.
I don't see the Koch Bros as masters, they have their groups they fund, but they are not grand wizards, neither is Thiel or Leon, yes their money spends but they have their own interests and all seek to put a guy in that helps those interests, but are they coordinated extensively...I don't think so. Most are hyper capitalists in competition to see who can make the highest pile in a zero sum game.

 

[SCrider]

Federal judge blocks Trump administration from barring foreign student enrollment at Harvard​

Right. So, what else is new?

This judicial activism and opposition was planned way before Trump won his election.

Really ? They planned for Trump to do this stupid shit?

 

[ColdHardTruth]

I'm not so sure.

Have faith, Helix.

In 2027, Democrats will retake congress. When we do, dumpletits is gone.

 

[Lex Talionis]

In case anyone is interested, @Mycroft certainly could do with it

American Government: Constitutional Foundations | Harvard University

Learn how early American politics informed the U.S. Constitution and why its promise of liberty and equality has yet to be fully realized.

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[Bonnot]

The reality is, those of us who read and believed Project 2025 knew exactly what he was going to do. You also had to believe Trump was a liar as he declared he had nothing to do with it. As of today, over 50% of P-2025 has been carried out with plenty more to come.

So, if one was paying attention, it would have been easy to prepare for Trump 2.0.

Anyone who brought up project 2025 was met with oh Trump doesn't know about it. Doesn't help the media are glorified stenographers that just said, oh Trump says he doesn't know about this.


Biden and Garland really were the worst people to have after Trump. Two spineless sacks of shit afraid of rocking the boat and treating Trump and the GOP like what they really are, a hate group that cosplays as a political party and that are fascists. Instead we act like we HAVE to listen to their opinions like we shouldn't be taking them as an actual terror threat and danger to the nation's safety.

Him winning the popular vote has made it easy for this shit to go on and be normalized as well. Worst way for him to win. The biggest issue is he never should've been allowed to run after Jan 6th and trying to get places like Georgia to over turn the election by finding him more votes.

 

[Bonnot]

But the point that Mycroft makes, time and again, is that the left is operating on a grand conspiratorial design with Soros as a puppet master, it is a theme he uses a lot as I showed with the forum search. Sure, the left knew how Don acted in v1, and the P2025 gave outlines of what was coming, but his point was that the left is coming after the admin in a coordinated master plan. If Soros contributed monies to an NGO, automatically he controls that group and any other.
I don't see the Koch Bros as masters, they have their groups they fund, but they are not grand wizards, neither is Thiel or Leon, yes their money spends but they have their own interests and all seek to put a guy in that helps those interests, but are they coordinated extensively...I don't think so. Most are hyper capitalists in competition to see who can make the highest pile in a zero sum game.

Funny how he's real quiet about Musk actually doing that lol.

I find it interesting, he's gotta believe in the conspiracy theory that Soros, a jew (this is just an anti semetic trope), is this all powerful puppet master with unlimited funds. All while backing a party and dictator that willingly let the richest man in the world fund them and get all these contracts who has been trying to influence a Canadian election, a German election, world wide elections in general clearly, and even dumped millions into a state supreme court election in Wisconsin.

 

[Deuce]

Harvard saying it needs a warrant in order to release the information requested perhaps protects Harvard itself from legal jeopardy.
But it does not hamstring the government in its exercise of enforcing immigration law.

What weird ass conversation are you having? Harvard was never stopping the government from enforcing immigration law

 

[CaughtInThe]

I've tried to warn people about the modern day confederates, who don't care about our constitution, for 40 years.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Let's start off by stating there were protests that were somewhat violent and antisemitic at Harvard. What DHS asked for was behavior records about students of international origin, or more simply evidence they engaged in violent protest that was witnessed and complained about to the faculty at Harvard. DHS was told they were not going to get those records. DHS then decided pull Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students and pull their Visas. Because if you are going to endanger other students based on your religious beliefs, you can leave the US, visiting to learn here is a privilege and not a right.

This is what it is really about, in simple language.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Let's start off by stating there were protests that were somewhat violent and antisemitic at Harvard. What DHS asked for was behavior records about students of international origin, or more simply evidence they engaged in violent protest that was witnessed and complained about to the faculty at Harvard. DHS was told they were not going to get those records. DHS then decided pull Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students and pull their Visas. Because if you are going to endanger other students based on your religious beliefs, you can leave the US, visiting to learn here is a privilege and not a right.

This is what it is really about, in simple language.

No.

This is what it is really about, in simple language:

First, this is what really happened:

Apr 16: Noem gave Harvard 10 business days, until Apr 30, to turn over 8 categories of visa student data.

Note: Even that original request included private disciplinary and misconduct info Harvard couldn’t legally share under FERPA.

Apr 30: Harvard complied with only the required SEVIS data.

May 7: DHS said it was "insufficient," gave 1 more week to hand over the information Harvard couldn't legally share under FERPA.

May 22: DHS revoked certification, gave 72 hours to produce all records, including 5 years of protest videos and every disciplinary file.

Demand grew from 8 items to a sweeping request for information, far beyond what the law requires or allows.

Source:

https://www.harvard.edu/research-funding/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2025/05/Harvard-Visa-Complaint.pdf

Why is this wrong?

1. "The government must follow the procedures outlined in, 8 C.F.R. 214.4, which require formal notice, a meaningful opportunity to respond, and time for students to transfer or contest their loss of status. Ignoring this process by punishing both the university and its students on 72 hours’ notice is a violation of the fifth amendment."

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

Warrant is required for what they requested. Nope. BTW, where is the link to the court decision that you said stopped the SEVP revocation?

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2. "Without a warrant DHS can lawfully obtain only the narrow SEVIS data set: identity details, address, program/grades, status changes, and disciplinary action tied to a criminal conviction.

Everything else such as non-criminal discipline, non-criminal misconduct, and protest activity falls outside 214.3 and is shielded by FERPA unless DHS brings a valid subpoena or court order.

The Trump admin is once again breaking the law. And Trump supporters are once again defending Trump’s misconduct."

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

Warrant is required for what they requested. Nope. BTW, where is the link to the court decision that you said stopped the SEVP revocation?

debatepolitics.com

3. "The government needs a warrant for most of the information it's asking for. The Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act permits Harvard to share only the narrow information that immigration rules explicitly requires such as basic identity, program, visa status, and any discipline tied to a criminal conviction. Harvard would violate the law if it provided anything more without a warrant. And by demanding the records without a warrant the government is violating the Administrative Procedure Act."

Trump administration bars Harvard from enrolling foreign students

Warrant is required for what they requested. Nope. BTW, where is the link to the court decision that you said stopped the SEVP revocation?

debatepolitics.com

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Harvard saying it needs a warrant in order to release the information requested perhaps protects Harvard itself from legal jeopardy.
But it does not hamstring the government in its exercise of enforcing immigration law.

There’s no law that lets DHS force Harvard to cough up the extra protest videos and private files it’s demanding. This heavy-handed push violates the Administrative Procedure Act, due process rights, and the First Amendment. Enforcing immigration rules doesn’t give the executive branch a pass to ignore the Constitution or other statutes. Case closed.

Stop spreading fascist lies.

 

[CaughtInThe]

Let's start off by stating there were protests that were somewhat violent and antisemitic at Harvard. What DHS asked for was behavior records about students of international origin, or more simply evidence they engaged in violent protest that was witnessed and complained about to the faculty at Harvard. DHS was told they were not going to get those records. DHS then decided pull Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students and pull their Visas. Because if you are going to endanger other students based on your religious beliefs, you can leave the US, visiting to learn here is a privilege and not a right.

This is what it is really about, in simple language.

Well that's a big ole lie.

 

[Jetboogieman]

Let's start off by stating there were protests that were somewhat violent and antisemitic at Harvard. What DHS asked for was behavior records about students of international origin, or more simply evidence they engaged in violent protest that was witnessed and complained about to the faculty at Harvard. DHS was told they were not going to get those records. DHS then decided pull Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students and pull their Visas. Because if you are going to endanger other students based on your religious beliefs, you can leave the US, visiting to learn here is a privilege and not a right.

This is what it is really about, in simple language.

You are so willing to lie to justify sweeping government attacks on educational institutions and free speech.

Because like most other things with you Trumpists, it’s a pretext only.

The goal is complete control over these institutions.

 

[rahl]

Let's start off by stating there were protests that were somewhat violent and antisemitic at Harvard. What DHS asked for was behavior records about students of international origin, or more simply evidence they engaged in violent protest that was witnessed and complained about to the faculty at Harvard.

And they need a warrant to obtain those.

DHS was told they were not going to get those records

Because they have no right to them.

. DHS then decided pull Harvard's ability to enroll foreign students and pull their Visas.

Which they can’t do.

Because if you are going to endanger other students based on your religious beliefs, you can leave the US, visiting to learn here is a privilege and not a right.

First amendment. If anyone was violent, criminal charges can be brought. But DHS can’t require Harvard provide certain documents without a warrant.

This is what it is really about, in simple language.

The law is crystal clear on what DHS can ask for. They asked for things outside the law, and Harvard rightfully told them to **** off.

 

[Parker_Chess]

Imagine you can't get your degree because fascist Trump wants to kick you out.

 

[choiceone]

Her letter says nothing. She doesn't reference any laws that Harvard allegedly broke. She demands information but doesn't specify what laws give her the authority to make the demand.

And I would point out that Harvard claims it provided the requested information in any case but Noem found it "insufficient." Not at all clear she can make that determination.

She is simply throwing shit against the wall.

The worst of this is that, when Harvard was willing to provide the requested information, a letter was then sent to Harvard by mistake asking for all the absurd stuff illegally, and because Trump and co. can't issue an apology for the mistake, they go after Harvard like the fascists they are. It's all because they make a mistake and can't apologize.

 

[choiceone]

Oh, Kristi "Suck it" Noem? Maybe she should go study and remember the definition of habeas corpus.

She was a governor, and she didn't know what habeas corpus was.

When I got my first full-time "permanent" job after college, I realized for the first time that the world really wasn't run by even B+ students. But I thought it was run by C+ students. I failed, because now it's being run by those who got Ds and Fs. I apologize.

 

[choiceone]

They were smart enough to foresee the House of Orange Man and his spawn. It's a shame that the 37% of his followers want to take us back to 1762.

Not even that. Try the 1600s.