Federal judge blocks new Trump travel ban

[TheGoverness]

And who, pray tell, determines a "bad" ruling?

Vesper, of course.

 

[TheGoverness]

Its a free country and you can be afraid of anyone you choose according to your experience and knowledge of current events

But so can the rest of us - if you don't mind.

I don't think Tres wants to be as afraid of the Muslims, liberals, gays, etc. as you are.

 

[Ikari]

Its a free country and you can be afraid of anyone you choose according to your experience and knowledge of current events

But so can the rest of us - if you don't mind.

You can be afraid of whomever you want. You just can't do anything without warrant or reason.

 

[Mac77]

I don't think Tres wants to be as afraid of the Muslims, liberals, gays, etc. as you are.

Again, its a free country

But that goes for me as well as you

 

[tres borrachos]

I don't think Tres wants to be as afraid of the Muslims, liberals, gays, etc. as you are.

I'm not afraid of gay people. But that's because I don't think they're disgusting. I'm also not afraid of Muslims because the ones I know are better than people like Adam Lanza and Tim McVeigh. I know more people who have died at the hands of white Americans than I know people who have died at the hands of a Yemeni. I know more women who have been raped by college educated Christians than I know women who have been raped by Syrians. I guess the difference between me and others is I fear what I know to be an imminent threat, not what a reality TV star turned President tells me I'm supposed to be afraid of.

 

[TheGoverness]

Again, its a free country

But that goes for me as well as you

I know it's a free country, bro. I'm not dumb.

But I'm still going to think it's stupid to buy into the fear mongering that goes around today.

 

[Mac77]

You can be afraid of whomever you want. You just can't do anything without warrant or reason.

Sure

And Tres is afraid of white kids in her neighborhood

If she locks her doors at night to protect herself from them does that make her a racist anti white bigot?

 

[Ikari]

Sure

And Tres is afraid of white kids in her neighborhood

If she locks her doors at night to protect herself from them does that make her a racist anti white bigot?

Well white kids do certainly like to shoot up schools.

 

[Mac77]

I know it's a free country, bro. I'm not dumb.

But I'm still going to think it's stupid to buy into the fear mongering that goes around today.

And you have a legal right to think so

You can even label it as fear mongering even though we have many examples of muslim violence to point to

Just as I have the same right to see the potential danger from muslims because of their background and religious beliefs

 

[Mac77]

Well white kids do certainly like to shoot up schools.

So do muslims

 

[Ikari]

And you have a legal right to think so

You can even label it as fear mongering even though we have many examples of muslim violence to point to

Just as I have the same right to see the potential danger from muslims because of their background and religious beliefs

You can "see" whatever you want. You just can't DO anything about it. Not without proof or warrant.

 

[Chomsky]

Sure-- it seems you are making an argument for a generic Muslim ban.
The EO is a TEMPORARY ban to ensure that vetting procedures are adequate in those named countries.

If that's your argument, the originally intended 90 days are substantially over and soon to run out.

So why do we need an order at all, now?

Were the new procedures implemented? If not, why not?

 

[Ikari]

So do muslims

Not in our country.

But if you want to lock your doors, lock 'em.

If you want to fear monger, go right ahead.

If you want to use the force of government to back up your irrationality...no.

 

[Mac77]

You can "see" whatever you want. You just can't DO anything about it. Not without proof or warrant.

I can't

That would make me a vigilante

But trump can

 

[Ikari]

I can't

That would make me a vigilante

But trump can

Apparently not, else we wouldn't have this thread.

lol

 

[tres borrachos]

Well white kids do certainly like to shoot up schools.

Too bad more people weren't afraid of Adam Lanza. There would be a few more fifth graders in Newtown CT today.

Too bad Kim Cates wasn't afraid of former boy scouts from a neighboring town. She wouldn't be in her grave and her daughter wouldn't be bearing scars all over her body and would have both of her feet.

 

[Mac77]

Not in our country.

But if you want to lock your doors, lock 'em.

If you want to fear monger, go right ahead.

If you want to use the force of government to back up your irrationality...no.

They cant as long as they are not here

Which is why we want to keep them in their home country

 

[tres borrachos]

If that's your argument, the originally intended 90 days are substantially over and soon to run out.

So why do we need an order at all, now?

Were the new procedures implemented? If not, why not?

I'm kind of curious what specifically has been done while this ban has been floating around the courts. I mean, since we only needed 90 days, surely we are already well on our way to having extreme vetting measures in place.

 

[Mac77]

Apparently not, else we wouldn't have this thread.

lol

Dont bet the rent money on that

 

[Ikari]

They cant as long as they are not here

Which is why we want to keep them in their home country

Well step one may be to stop bombing their home countries. lol

And there are plenty of Muslims here, they aren't the ones shooting up schools. White kids are. Does that mean we should try to get rid of all the white kids too? Send them all back to northern Europe where they belong?

 

[Ikari]

Dont bet the rent money on that

Don't bet that this thread isn't happening? that's a sure bet. It's happening right now, lol.

 

[Chomsky]

And if you don't stop to ask them what the WHO What and WHY's...

The "Travel" ban was 120 days to set up a proper vetting, why is that so terrible?

No, the original ban back in January was for 90 days. Around 50 days have passed.

Why do we need another one?

Has proper vetting been instated during the interim period?

 

[Chomsky]

I'm kind of curious what specifically has been done while this ban has been floating around the courts. I mean, since we only needed 90 days, surely we are already well on our way to having extreme vetting measures in place.

Unless it was lies.

 

[tres borrachos]

Unless it was lies.

Trump doesn't lie. Ever. Haven't you figured that out yet?

 

[Mac77]

Too bad more people weren't afraid of Adam Lanza. There would be a few more fifth graders in Newtown CT today.

Too bad Kim Cates wasn't afraid of former boy scouts from a neighboring town. She wouldn't be in her grave and her daughter wouldn't be bearing scars all over her body and would have both of her feet.

What tres is arguing is that muslims from syria should have an equal right to be here and kill as our domestically grown nut cases

Whereas I say fewer dangerous people out there is better than having more