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I didn't put this in suggestions or anything because I really doubt that the program supports it. However, it occurred to me that a nice feature, in addition to expanded reactions besides "like", would be being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy. Thoughts and ideas?
 
I didn't put this in suggestions or anything because I really doubt that the program supports it. However, it occurred to me that a nice feature, in addition to expanded reactions besides "like", would be being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy. Thoughts and ideas?

One problem is people misidentify fallacies all the time. A prominent example is confusing a simple insult with the ad hominem fallacy.
 
I didn't put this in suggestions or anything because I really doubt that the program supports it. However, it occurred to me that a nice feature, in addition to expanded reactions besides "like", would be being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy. Thoughts and ideas?
Actually the bulletin board software completely supports it, but most forums turn it off because it leads to strife.
 
I didn't put this in suggestions or anything because I really doubt that the program supports it. However, it occurred to me that a nice feature, in addition to expanded reactions besides "like", would be being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy. Thoughts and ideas?
I do not like this idea at all.
It only leads to unnecessary hostilities.
 
One problem is people misidentify fallacies all the time. A prominent example is confusing a simple insult with the ad hominem fallacy.
Understandable. And we would probably see that all the time in that two different people might mark the argument with different fallacies. I guess another problem would be is, unless the program allowed for multiple fallacies to be listed, it would be hard to choose if multiple fallacies were used, even assuming they were correctly identified. Still I think that it would be a good thing in that people can see how others are viewing their arguments, and maybe learn to not use that particular fallacy.
 
I didn't put this in suggestions or anything because I really doubt that the program supports it. However, it occurred to me that a nice feature, in addition to expanded reactions besides "like", would be being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy. Thoughts and ideas?

A new feature, sort of like the thumbs up and thumbs down ’ratings’ on YouTube seems like a possibility, but (as you noted) may not be possible with the existing DP software.
 
I do not like this idea at all.
It only leads to unnecessary hostilities.
Maybe, and more likely if each noting was listed as to who made it. We already have people who call out the fallacy in their posts. But when it comes to the single person claiming that I have made a fallacy, I am more likely to assume that they are in the wrong, if my conviction is strong that I have not. However, if 12 other people also noted that fallacy, even if they never otherwise commented, I would have to take pause and think about whether I did make the fallacy or not. Like any tool, it could work well or poorly or a combination of both.
 
Understandable. And we would probably see that all the time in that two different people might mark the argument with different fallacies. I guess another problem would be is, unless the program allowed for multiple fallacies to be listed, it would be hard to choose if multiple fallacies were used, even assuming they were correctly identified. Still I think that it would be a good thing in that people can see how others are viewing their arguments, and maybe learn to not use that particular fallacy.

The ‘reply with quote’ (existing feature) allows for that and more.
 
Actually the bulletin board software completely supports it, but most forums turn it off because it leads to strife.
Now would that be something that is in addition to the like, i.e. part of the reactions list, or is it a separate feature that I could like, like a post for it's civility or even agree with the conclusion but have to point out the fallacy used?
 
The ‘reply with quote’ (existing feature) allows for that and more.
I was thinking more along the lines of someone already called it, and you just want to back it up without further comment. The problem with the "like" response is that you really don't know why they did it. You might just like how civil they were.
 
Still I think that it would be a good thing in that people can see how others are viewing their arguments, and maybe learn to not use that particular fallacy.
So you think that the people who would use this type of comments are all angels and saints and always right.
And the poor posters who get criticised are all just stupid.

This new feature would be a most welcome idea for all those mean types who enjoy mobbing others.

AGAINST!
 
I really miss a "Thank you" option.

So I often click "Like" even though I disagree with the poster's opinion, but his/her comments were couched in such civil language that I want to thank that person for taking the effort to reply.
I have been know to 'like' conservative posts simply because they were particularly well written and moderate in tone. The ideas therein.... uuuuggghhh. You are right that there is no way to thank a poster for being supportive of your work that is not confused with liking the other content in addition.
 
So you think that the people who would use this type of comments are all angels and saints and always right.

No and I even said as much in another post.

And the poor posters who get criticised are all just stupid.

Pointing out different ways to look at something is not criticism, nor do I find anyone who points out what they think would be a negative stupid. In looking at a new idea, it's about weighing the negatives against the positives. For every positive I present, you should present a negative that you see, if you see one. I'm not looking for yes men to this idea. I'm exploring it to see if it is a good idea. But I would not be doing justice to it in just dismissing it at the very first negative that comes along, any more than I would in green lighting it at the first positive that comes along.

This new feature would be a most welcome idea for all those mean types who enjoy mobbing others.

AGAINST!

Sound like you are taking this a little too personal. This could also help people in learning how to better present argument in learning what fallacies they are using. As I noted earlier, I would be likely to dismiss a single person who claimed a fallacy, but several would at least make me evaluate and actually think about it. Sure there will always be those who use a tool just to be mean. This whole forum is an example of that. But there are also so many good people here who are being civil and even acknowledging when an idea or concept that they don't agree with is presented with good logic or manners.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of someone already called it, and you just want to back it up without further comment. The problem with the "like" response is that you really don't know why they did it. You might just like how civil they were.

This is true, since I may (and often do) ‘like’ a post which expresses an idea which I don’t agree with. I’m curious as to why you think that ‘dislikes’ should be associated with a reason, while ‘likes’ aren’t (or shouldn’t be).
 
I have been know to 'like' conservative posts simply because they were particularly well written and moderate in tone. The ideas therein.... uuuuggghhh. You are right that there is no way to thank a poster for being supportive of your work that is not confused with liking the other content in addition.

There is a way, which is to use the ‘reply with quote’ feature. You can thank the poster for their friendly, prompt or clearly stated response and address (express?) any disagreement(s) with that post’s content.
 
There is a way, which is to use the ‘reply with quote’ feature. You can thank the poster for their friendly, prompt or clearly stated response and address (express?) any disagreement(s) with that post’s content.
I don't want to post because it draws too much attention, takes up more of the page, and requires people to scroll through a two inch wide post for the words 'thank-you which offers little value to everyone else for the acreage. I want to use a thank-you button in order to quickly and discreetly thank them for their support. Its a lot like pushing a 'like' button with its inherent convenience and advantages, only the word on top is different.

How much space do the words 'I like this' take, when 5 different people write them as separate posts? How much space do the words 'thank-you" take when they are the response to each of those posts?

Any other questions or did you finally get this concept?
 
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I’m curious as to why you think that ‘dislikes’ should be associated with a reason, while ‘likes’ aren’t (or shouldn’t be).
I'm not sure where you got this from. I never intended to imply such, although I could have inadvertently done so. I mean I have disliked posts that have a conclusion I agree with, but dislike how it was presented, or that it used faulty logic to arrive at that conclusion.
 
Actually the bulletin board software completely supports it, but most forums turn it off because it leads to strife.

The very likely reason why is because most people don't have the integrity to use those features fairly.
 
I'm not sure where you got this from.

From this:

…being able to mark a specific post with a fallacy. It doesn't necessarily have to show who did so, but it should show how many selected that specific fallacy.

I never intended to imply such, although I could have inadvertently done so. I mean I have disliked posts that have a conclusion I agree with, but dislike how it was presented, or that it used faulty logic to arrive at that conclusion.

Not only would the use of ‘faulty logic’ by (within?) a post be flagged (with a count?), but which specific category (or categories?) of ‘faulty logic’ (allegedly) used would be indicated.
 
I understand the idea but think in practice it would just lead to threads breaking down earlier than they already do. I'm sure the software used probably will allow for all sorts of "one-click" options to a post but would ultimately lead to people just smashing a button for a myriad of reasons and not providing any context in a replied post. My thoughts are if you think something is a fallacy or whatnot then call it out in a post and offer your reasoning while staying in the context of the thread topic.
 
The very likely reason why is because most people don't have the integrity to use those features fairly.
Yes. People who dislike you will spam every post with derogatory marks, whether you call then dislikes or thumbs downs or whatever. They are always much more often used than positive marks like likes or agrees.
 
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OK, I see. I wasn't thinking of that in terms of "dislike" so that threw me off..

Not only would the use of ‘faulty logic’ by (within?) a post be flagged (with a count?), but which specific category (or categories?) of ‘faulty logic’ (allegedly) used would be indicated.
I was thinking more like you would see that 5 people thought you were using a strawman fallacy, while another 3 thought it was a red herring fallacy. You wouldn't necessarily know who claimed what, and most likely at least one person, most likely the one you were trading arguments with, you point out in their post what fallacy they claimed you had committed. And in seeing that, you might pause and ask if you worded something that gave the impression of one or both of those, or maybe misworded from what you intended to actually have made that fallacy. I know I have done that before.
 
I was on a forum that used the thumps up and thumb down and all it did was irritate people. People would thumb down on the music thread just to irritate and be uncivil. I think it's a horrible idea.
 
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