FCC votes to repeal net neutrality rules

[MAGAnificent]

Competition has already been basically removed, especially in areas with one or two good providers.

Removing NN just lets them screw us over harder.

If the monopolies break up or are broken up, we'll have competition - but capitalism trends towards no competition unless you force it to compete.

There are no real monopolies in regards to the internet. This is not the 1970s when Ma Bell, (AT&T) controlled most of the nation's telephone landlines. There is competition. I live out in the country and have a minimum of four choices for internet, which includes AT&T Uverse at a very reasonable price, Cable modem, and at least two satellite companies. Net Neutrality controlled by the government is not what everyone who favors it thinks it is. The regulation that would follow would eventually do the same as rent control did to home rental or apartment rental in many areas. Government control starts out nice, then the internet companies endlessly request price increases. and some of the smaller competitors will get out.

 

[Removable Mind]

Well, I hold your bigger government with greater intervention in similar regard.



And you have no problem in the least to sheepishly have over that control of which you speak to an unaccountable government.

At least with competition and consumer choice, the consumer has a choice of which big evil corporation to deal with. No such choice with government involved, interfering, and intervening.

There’s no evidence that competition will evolution from the repeal. What part of this repeal makes this look like anything other than a monopoly building opportunity?

Walmart killed a lot of small businesses. We already see AT&T, Comcast, Verizon having way more power than most all other providers. Rural areas are abandoned by the large companies.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Competition has already been basically removed, especially in areas with one or two good providers.

Removing NN just lets them screw us over harder.

If the monopolies break up or are broken up, we'll have competition - but capitalism trends towards no competition unless you force it to compete.

Once again, if you know what a monopoly is, there is not one in the internet business. Even if you live so far out in the sticks that the only broadband service available is satellite, you have a minimum of two choices. There is no monopoly. Do not try to tell me different. I maintain internet connections in 30 locations covering three states. Only one location is limited to satellite. And there are three different satellite companies available. We kicked out one for rates that were too high and the service was poor. The new service is more reliable and less costly. And we made the change well before net neutrality.

 

[Removable Mind]

Once again, if you know what a monopoly is, there is not one in the internet business. Even if you live so far out in the sticks that the only broadband service available is satellite, you have a minimum of two choices. There is no monopoly. Do not try to tell me different. I maintain internet connections in 30 locations covering three states. Only one location is limited to satellite. And there are three different satellite companies available. We kicked out one for rates that were too high and the service was poor. The new service is more reliable and less costly. And we made the change well before net neutrality.

Monopoly? Who cares about monopolies? That term isn’t relevant to this topic. But I do know a term that is relevant. It’s called “Oligopoly”.

I clearly know what an Oligopoly is. Wanna a definition?

Oligopoly

An oligopoly is a market form in which a market or industry is dominated by a small number of sellers (oligopolists). Oligopolies can result from various forms of collusion which reduce competition and lead to higher prices for consumers. Oligopoly has its own market structure.

Now ponder AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, and Time Warner (Spectrum). These companies control the transmission of Internet bandwidth more than probably all other Internet Service Providers combined. <——-These corporations are Oligopolies in the broadband business. They now have significant power over “Content Providers” and “Consumers of Content Providers.”

The issue is about who has the most hardware abilities to make the most connections to the WWW. This is exactly the situation we have today with Internet Providers.

So in your opinion, by repealing Net Neutrality, what will be the “positive” and “negative” consequences of that decision?

And please, don’t bring a single politician into your reply. Don’t opine on your preference between government regulations vs corporate controlled ISPs.

I just want “your opinion” about how you believe the actual consequences of the FCC regulations repeal will ultimately impact the lowest link on the global continuum of networks (AKA - people like you an me sitting at our computers who must pay to join the global connections of the Internet (also called the World Wide Web).

 

[eohrnberger]

There’s no evidence that competition will evolution from the repeal. What part of this repeal makes this look like anything other than a monopoly building opportunity?

I've repeated stated that in order to foster an environment of competition in ISPs and CableCos that the local governments need to allow access for more providers in their markets. I've never connected NN nor its repeal to increased competition.

Walmart killed a lot of small businesses. We already see AT&T, Comcast, Verizon having way more power than most all other providers. Rural areas are abandoned by the large companies.

The recent vertical integration acquisitions raises legitimate concerns that a single entity is in control of production, distribution, and delivery of its own content on it's own network infrastructure. I'll grant you that.

 

[Removable Mind]

I've repeated stated that in order to foster an environment of competition in ISPs and CableCos that the local governments need to allow access for more providers in their markets. I've never connected NN nor its repeal to increased competition.

The recent vertical integration acquisitions raises legitimate concerns that a single entity is in control of production, distribution, and delivery of its own content on it's own network infrastructure. I'll grant you that.

What do you believe is preventing the expansion of ISPs under Net Neutrality regulation that’s existed up till now?

I can call up Grande Communicaton and or Time Warner/Spectrum (broadband wholesale division) tomorrow and become an ISP provider.

I might be able to to the same with Verizon now that I think about it.

The Oligopolies that are in place now are more powerful today than before the Repeal. What makes you think the repeal will encourage theses oligopolies from surrendering what they already possess?

 

[Lord of Planar]

Liberals are trying to protect your freedom to start up an internet-based company on a level playing field.

Excuses excuses...

 

[Lord of Planar]

Verizon blocking Google Wallet in order to push its customers to their own payment service isn't a "disaster" but it's bad for consumers. Net neutrality makes the internet better for consumers and entrepreneurs.

Cell phone service is not "the internet."

 

[Lord of Planar]

Well, sadly the rules and regulations were just repealed. So now large telecommunications companies that are also bandwidth providers can pretty much operate self-will-run-riot. They can throttle the speed, control content, sell customer usage information, etc. Big losers are streaming companies like Netflix. So now people who like to stream movies and games pay more.

How do you figure this will happen?

How do you figure Net Neutrality will help, rather than hurt?

Shouldn't businesses like Netflix have to buy the bandwidth necessary for their streaming services, or do you expect all places to just have an internet connection and have free billions of terabits of service?

If a business and the consumer both pay for a particular data rate, that is what they get. Places like Comcast don't want to upset their customers by throttling the internet. That is bad business. However, data does get delayed or bottle-necked at time, and that is when priority systems kick in. Part of the priority is the service package purchased. This is why they need to know the data types transmitted, so they can delay things like emails, and keep real-time applications like Voice over Internet with no added delays. Streaming services buffer several minutes of data, so some delays are acceptable when the systems get bottle-necked.

If you guys want zero throttling on anything, then one or both of two things will happen with certainty. The price per guaranteed rate will go up, or all services will be equally throttled, making online games and VoIP break rather frequently.

Do any of you have solutions that address your concerns without making the internet twice as expensive or more?

 

[Lord of Planar]

I have Verizon and I have no problem with them blocking Google Wallet. I would much rather have that then giving the government the ability to regulate competition out of the internet, which is what the Net Neutrality scam would have ultimately done.

I must have missed something.

What does net neutrality have to do with cell phone service?

Please excuse my ignorance.

 

[Removable Mind]

How do you figure this will happen?

How do you figure Net Neutrality will help, rather than hurt?

Shouldn't businesses like Netflix have to buy the bandwidth necessary for their streaming services, or do you expect all places to just have an internet connection and have free billions of terabits of service?

If a business and the consumer both pay for a particular data rate, that is what they get. Places like Comcast don't want to upset their customers by throttling the internet. That is bad business. However, data does get delayed or bottle-necked at time, and that is when priority systems kick in. Part of the priority is the service package purchased. This is why they need to know the data types transmitted, so they can delay things like emails, and keep real-time applications like Voice over Internet with no added delays. Streaming services buffer several minutes of data, so some delays are acceptable when the systems get bottle-necked.

If you guys want zero throttling on anything, then one or both of two things will happen with certainty. The price per guaranteed rate will go up, or all services will be equally throttled, making online games and VoIP break rather frequently.

Do any of you have solutions that address your concerns without making the internet twice as expensive or more?

Sorry I disagree with your perception.

 

[Lord of Planar]

The original state of the internet was a neutral ground, but once the ISP's started getting bigger and acquiring content producers, the incentive to violate the unwritten and unstated rule arose, which gave rise to NN.

Do you know this as fact, or because of all the fear-mongering out there?

When our interstate system was built, we had relatively few problems in traffic flow. As populations increased, the freeway systems have not kept up with demand, and now we have daily traffic problems everywhere.

The internet is similar. Demands for data rates are growing faster than the capacity to handle it without problems now and then. If we don't allow mechanisms for Tier 1 to Tier 3 providers to profit and grow, this will get worse, rather than better.

How is taking away profit choices away from an ISP going to help them grow for future needs?

 

[FieldTheorist]

So why did Obama appoint him?

Because Obama was overly eager to bend over backwards to please corporations. But if you agree with me on that statement, boy have you got a bitter pill ahead of you regarding Trump. Trump bends forwards to please corporations.

 

[eohrnberger]

Because Obama was overly eager to bend over backwards to please corporations. But if you agree with me on that statement, boy have you got a bitter pill ahead of you regarding Trump. Trump bends forwards to please corporations.

Meh. Sure didn't seem so with him rhetoric, or are you also saying hiscworf and actions where inconsistent with each other?

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[jmotivator]

Liberals are trying to protect your freedom to start up an internet-based company on a level playing field.

What freedom would that be, and how did NN protect it?

 

[jmotivator]

1) it kinda was. the internet was, mostly, "neutral" since its inception. If you like how the internet has mostly worked over the years, you like net neutrality
2) Quit using stupid terms like "disaster" and "doomsday." Verizon blocking Google Wallet in order to push its customers to their own payment service isn't a "disaster" but it's bad for consumers. Net neutrality makes the internet better for consumers and entrepreneurs.

Verizon blocking an app on their phones has nothing to do with Net Neutrality. That would be a matter for the FTC for potentially violating anti-trust laws.

And it is funny seeing you get mad at OCF for correctly stating how left wing nutters have been characterizing this decision forever.

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Well, sadly the rules and regulations were just repealed. So now large telecommunications companies that are also bandwidth providers can pretty much operate self-will-run-riot. They can throttle the speed, control content, sell customer usage information, etc. Big losers are streaming companies like Netflix. So now people who like to stream movies and games pay more.

This isn’t a competition builder, it’s a monopoly builder.

The Corp lobbyists who paid to get NN repealed - made a promise to give discount to all on the right who buy into the propaganda about how the repeal is going to be the greatest thing since sliced bread and KY Jelly.

You guys really should learn about the issue before espousing on this. This doesn't affect netflix at all. the internet will revert to the horrors of 2014........... :lol:

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

Liberals are trying to protect your freedom to start up an internet-based company on a level playing field.

So they do this by telling small start ups, they can't offer discount services by limiting certain data that people may not need?

 

[The Mark]

Do you know this as fact, or because of all the fear-mongering out there?

When our interstate system was built, we had relatively few problems in traffic flow. As populations increased, the freeway systems have not kept up with demand, and now we have daily traffic problems everywhere.

The internet is similar. Demands for data rates are growing faster than the capacity to handle it without problems now and then. If we don't allow mechanisms for Tier 1 to Tier 3 providers to profit and grow, this will get worse, rather than better.

How is taking away profit choices away from an ISP going to help them grow for future needs?

Corporations are inherently harmful to a society which they dwell in.
Their profit choices must be limited to guide them away from the majority of that harm, to harness what good they can do.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Corporations are inherently harmful to a society which they dwell in.
Their profit choices must be limited to guide them away from the majority of that harm, to harness what good they can do.

I see.

It appears your fear wants the destruction of corporations.

You want the benefits they offer, but you want then to do it out of magic. Well, it needs to be paid for somehow.

It appears that you believe in Utopia...

 

[Geoist]

Packaged deals require managment and overhead. can you show me one, ISP that's even floated the idea?

It's more management/overhead for the cable companies. Why do they do it if there is no profit?

 

[ReverendHellh0und]

It's more management/overhead for the cable companies. Why do they do it if there is no profit?

to sell you ****ting channels you don't want. this has nothing to do with "NetNeutrality"./

 

[Geoist]

Color that yourself?

I am sure the 1800's internet was impressive.

Judging by your quips I assume you have no argument. Have a good day.

 

[The Mark]

I see.

It appears your fear wants the destruction of corporations.

You want the benefits they offer, but you want then to do it out of magic. Well, it needs to be paid for somehow.

It appears that you believe in Utopia...

Corporations harm themselves and their environment if left unchecked.
Regulations are necessary to protect capitalism from corporations.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Corporations harm themselves and their environment if left unchecked.
Regulations are necessary to protect capitalism from corporations.

There are already sufficient regulations in place it would seem.

The idea behind Net Neutrality is a good one, but what about the harm it causes?